Sean Spence weighs in on the Defense...interesting read

[LuCane]

Sean Spence actually played for the man.

1. Are you saying we're doing the exact things right now that we were doing when he played for him?

2. Are you saying that Eric Winston or Duane Starks can't trust what they see because they didn't play for a coach?

3. More than that, are you saying that Sean Spence has some unique knowledge of our situation? He's watching games (presumably) and giving an opinion. Look at his quote:
“I don’t know if its misfits or guys missing tackles. I know the tackling system they go through every day in practice and that system shouldn’t create problems like that.”

yes, playing for D'onfrio for a year, being in meetings and being part of his game planning for a year makes Sean's opinion more valuable when forming an opinion on him as a D coordinator. And as the article states, when he did play for him and had 5-6 NFL caliber upperclassmen playing with him(Sean, Rayray, Forston, Olivier, Vandyke, Mcgee), D'onfrio ran a D ranked 17th in scoring.

Its Jim's and Joe's that matter more then X's and O's. This saturday we will be playing the worse team in the ACC and will have a DT starting for us that couldn't break the starting line up for them in 4 years…. That alone says a little something about our current talent level

not saying He gets a pass and the D isn't underperforming, but its more a talent issue right now. Corch Shannon was a genius when he had a D full of pro bowlers and now he's the LB coach for a team losing by 40 points every Saturday….

First of all, Spence said glowing things about every one of his coaches. That's the type of guy he is. They all got fired. I guess they were all badass coaches.

Secondly, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. The defense is underperforming, but it's more of a talent issue? Which is it?

Direct questions: should our defense, with our current talent, have performed better against VTech and Duke? Is our talent at least comparable to some of the teams those two teams have played?

So Spence is such a nice guy that he would be willing to talk bad about D'onfrio but he would be willing to about his ex-teamates?

Yes, it can be both. But think that he can do a good job with the right talent. As a coach you can be a lot more flexible and aggressive with you're approach with the right players. Without players, you're handcuffed.

and to your last question, i think Bicho reiterated my sentiments in a more understandable fashion.

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

Spence talked about teammates. What does that have to do with coaches? He has backed all of his coaches. It can be both, and I think it's a little of both, but you're apparently going on record with we're looking about as good as we're supposed to look (yet, simultaneously underperforming).

 

[bbcane]

The D line will still suck, you can't expect freshmen to play like seniors.

Truth is we dont have the horses yet.... However they are coming. We have a great defensive class coming in and its something we havent had in a long time.

And most of them won't be able to play for another year or two.

So whats the answer??? Bring in new players or bring in a new coach?

Golden isn't going anywhere, probably not for two years. Lets see what happens next year. He is bringing in a great class and the team will be all or mostly players he recruited. Since we can't come to a consensus as to what the problem is lets wait and see until next year. There shouldn't be any excuses next year. By year four we should no longer struggle to beat any of the opponents in the coastal. We won't be elite cause like DandyCane mentioned a while ago this really is a 5 year rebuild. But by year four we shouldn't be struggling against the UNCs, Wakes and Dukes of the world.[/

 

[nystateofmind]

The people in here defending D'Onofrio and Golden are clueless.

Yea let's fire golden. Is Jimmie Johnson still available? Maybe saban will come back. Did you donate to fly the banner to?

WE WILL NEVER COMPETE FOR A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WITH AL GOLDEN AS OUR COACH.

 

[Bicho]

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

exactly

You guys think that out of Chick, Porter, Pierre, AQM, Mccord, Perryman, Kirby, Luther Robinson and Figs...

…only Perryman would play at schools like Wake, Maryland, Duke, Troy, North Carolina Central, Navy, et al?

Would appreciate an answer.

AQM would be red shirting and McCord should be a promising red shirt frosh getting spot duty.

With DT's that could actually get a push they could be much more effective at this early time in their careers.

 

[caneaddict]

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

exactly

You guys think that our of Chick, Porter, Pierre, AQM, Mccord, Perryman, Kirby, Luther Robinson and Figs...

…only Perryman would play at schools like Wake, Maryland, Duke, Troy, North Carolina Central, Navy, et al?

Would appreciate an answer.

Like many of the lists made to support the talent argument, half of the guys on your list are true frosh or soph... Duke had a veteran OL with 140 plus starts and many upperclassmen. We cannot rely on a 50 percent impact from true frosh and soph. That basically tells you theres a JAG behind them or noone

and thats the scariest part of Barry Jacksons article today, theres a huge depth gap, and we continue to rely on inoming frosh

we are suffering from the misses and attrition of 2010-2011, those 2 years killed us and we had the 25th and 40th ranked classes

 

[sniffin94]

#itsaprocess #fullspeedahead #brickbybrick

 

[LuCane]

We've entered into a new realm:

Apparently, people in this thread are claiming that, out of our front 7, only Perryman would play at places like Maryland, Wake, Duke, Troy, Memphis and North Carolina Central.

I officially concede. You guys have convinced me. Thank you.

 

[Canediver]

Interesting discussion but somewhat missing what I believe the point is. I don't think anyone is trying to say that our current roster is full of NFL talent. We obviously don't have the level of players we had during our glory years. However, in order to lay the whole or even a large part of the defensive disaster we've been witnessing on the current players would require you to believe that VT and Duke for God's sake have not just better talent than we have, but significantly better talent than we do. I'm not talking FSWho here. Recall, we didn't just lose a close struggle against them, we got blown off the field! I for one find that idea ludicrous. Does anybody on this board truly believe that if Bud Foster were running this defense we'd see the same kind of lame performance? I rest my case.

 

[LuCane]

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

exactly

You guys think that our of Chick, Porter, Pierre, AQM, Mccord, Perryman, Kirby, Luther Robinson and Figs...

…only Perryman would play at schools like Wake, Maryland, Duke, Troy, North Carolina Central, Navy, et al?

Would appreciate an answer.

Like many of the lists made to support the talent argument, half of the guys on your list are true frosh or soph... Duke had a veteran OL with 140 plus starts and many upperclassmen. We cannot rely on a 50 percent impact from true frosh and soph. That basically tells you theres a JAG behind them or noone

and thats the scariest part of Barry Jacksons article today, theres a huge depth gap, and we continue to rely on inoming frosh

You mean like the true Frosh or Soph who made plays for Maryland on Saturday?

 

[bbcane]

The people in here defending D'Onofrio and Golden are clueless.

Yea let's fire golden. Is Jimmie Johnson still available? Maybe saban will come back. Did you donate to fly the banner to?

WE WILL NEVER COMPETE FOR A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WITH AL GOLDEN AS OUR COACH.

Where do you think this d should be right now as far as total d?

 

[nystateofmind]

The people in here defending D'Onofrio and Golden are clueless.

Yea let's fire golden. Is Jimmie Johnson still available? Maybe saban will come back. Did you donate to fly the banner to?

WE WILL NEVER COMPETE FOR A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WITH AL GOLDEN AS OUR COACH.

Where do you think this d should be right now as far as total d?

Top 25 with our weak schedule. If we ran Shannon's basic 4-3 we'd be at least in the Top 35.

 

[caneaddict]

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

exactly

You guys think that our of Chick, Porter, Pierre, AQM, Mccord, Perryman, Kirby, Luther Robinson and Figs...

…only Perryman would play at schools like Wake, Maryland, Duke, Troy, North Carolina Central, Navy, et al?

Would appreciate an answer.

Like many of the lists made to support the talent argument, half of the guys on your list are true frosh or soph... Duke had a veteran OL with 140 plus starts and many upperclassmen. We cannot rely on a 50 percent impact from true frosh and soph. That basically tells you theres a JAG behind them or noone

and thats the scariest part of Barry Jacksons article today, theres a huge depth gap, and we continue to rely on inoming frosh

You mean like the true Frosh or Soph who made plays for Maryland on Saturday?

whats Marylands record?

 

[supacane]

DC gets fired all the timw. Tough ness and all that is coached. Busts is a lack of teaching. Its not the players system. When they get juked or out jumped or outrun or even mis tackles thats the players....when they do it over and over against crap teams its the coaches. No D players have been doing this all since he has been here and nothing has changed. Its getting worst. And that D in Spence SR year with NFL players wasn't anything special. Below averageactually with the offense playing slow as **** to keep the other team off the field so dont be fooled by the 17th points allowed stat. No D is a average coach. And complaining about DBs speed. ...really? Tracy is our best CB and maybe the slowest. Its about technique anf he can shut people down.

 

[LuCane]

exactly

You guys think that our of Chick, Porter, Pierre, AQM, Mccord, Perryman, Kirby, Luther Robinson and Figs...

…only Perryman would play at schools like Wake, Maryland, Duke, Troy, North Carolina Central, Navy, et al?

Would appreciate an answer.

Like many of the lists made to support the talent argument, half of the guys on your list are true frosh or soph... Duke had a veteran OL with 140 plus starts and many upperclassmen. We cannot rely on a 50 percent impact from true frosh and soph. That basically tells you theres a JAG behind them or noone

and thats the scariest part of Barry Jacksons article today, theres a huge depth gap, and we continue to rely on inoming frosh

You mean like the true Frosh or Soph who made plays for Maryland on Saturday?

whats Marylands record?

How'd they look against the same offense who smoked us the week before? How'd that offense look the week before they played us?

 

[caneaddict]

You guys think that our of Chick, Porter, Pierre, AQM, Mccord, Perryman, Kirby, Luther Robinson and Figs...

…only Perryman would play at schools like Wake, Maryland, Duke, Troy, North Carolina Central, Navy, et al?

Would appreciate an answer.

Like many of the lists made to support the talent argument, half of the guys on your list are true frosh or soph... Duke had a veteran OL with 140 plus starts and many upperclassmen. We cannot rely on a 50 percent impact from true frosh and soph. That basically tells you theres a JAG behind them or noone

and thats the scariest part of Barry Jacksons article today, theres a huge depth gap, and we continue to rely on inoming frosh

You mean like the true Frosh or Soph who made plays for Maryland on Saturday?

whats Marylands record?

How'd they look against the same offense who smoked us the week before? How'd that offense look the week before they played us?

howd they look when wake smoked them 34-10? point being maryland and us are probably even, and I havent checked but they probably have more draftable upperclassmen than we do

 

[supacane]

They are JAG or young. ...lol bull****. They all look the same. Our depthcharts are loaded with upperclassmen and they look lost just like the FR. Being a jag means you are not that athletic.....doesn't make up for the open guys running across our formation wide open or Duke stuffing it down our throat with a QB read. No double gaps blitzs no disguise nothing. Just let them do it over and over to you. No D needs to go asap. We have had it with that defense. Sorry no DC can make up for talent but you can lose attacking or lose the way No D plays defense

 

[LuCane]

Like many of the lists made to support the talent argument, half of the guys on your list are true frosh or soph... Duke had a veteran OL with 140 plus starts and many upperclassmen. We cannot rely on a 50 percent impact from true frosh and soph. That basically tells you theres a JAG behind them or noone

and thats the scariest part of Barry Jacksons article today, theres a huge depth gap, and we continue to rely on inoming frosh

You mean like the true Frosh or Soph who made plays for Maryland on Saturday?

whats Marylands record?

How'd they look against the same offense who smoked us the week before? How'd that offense look the week before they played us?

howd they look when wake smoked them 34-10?

How did Maryland look against Wake?

307 total yards allowed, 47 rushing yards. Their offense is terrible and made 3 TOs.

How'd the Miami Hurricanes look against Wake?

361 total yards allowed, 59 rushing yards. Our offense didn't turn the ball over against Wake.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Dear God are you clowns really gonna act like you understand football more than Sean spence?

It comes down to toughness, tackling , playing physical. Which coach is at fault there? Hint, his name rhymes with swasey

Are you going to act like you understand football more than Eric Winston or Duane Starks? What makes Sean Spence's opinion more valuable?

Because he actually played for the guy and actually knows what their scheme/principles/philosophy is based around. He actually understands what Golden/D are trying to accomplish.

 

[Consigliere]

How do you guys have the energy to fight about this, just move on and agree to disagree.

 

[caneaddict]

You mean like the true Frosh or Soph who made plays for Maryland on Saturday?

whats Marylands record?

How'd they look against the same offense who smoked us the week before? How'd that offense look the week before they played us?

howd they look when wake smoked them 34-10?

How did Maryland look against Wake?

307 total yards allowed, 47 rushing yards. Their offense is terrible and made 3 TOs.

How'd the Miami Hurricanes look against Wake?

361 total yards allowed, 59 rushing yards. Our offense didn't turn the ball over against Wake.

So you're really gonna go the blame the offense route?? man thats a whole other story for another day..round and round we go.. we had 3 against VT which is your big argument with how Maryland played them vs us..geez