Sean Spence weighs in on the Defense...interesting read

This kind of **** wouldn't fly at a program serious about winning. Lane Kiffin got stranded in a parking lot. Manny Diaz made it two games into this season before Texas saw enough. Ron Zook lasted two and a half years before Florida realized "oh ****" and quickly remedied the situation.

The fact that D'Onofrio is still on the staff, and that some people are still serious about keeping him on in 2014, speaks to the depths of which this program's standards have fallen.
 
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This kind of **** wouldn't fly at a program serious about winning. Lane Kiffin got stranded in a parking lot. Manny Diaz made it two games into this season before Texas saw enough. Ron Zook lasted two and a half years before Florida realized "oh ****" and quickly remedied the situation.

The fact that D'Onofrio is still on the staff, and that some people are still serious about keeping him on in 2014, speaks to the depths of which this program's standards have fallen.

Pure hilarity right there....**** i'm weak after reading that shizzle
 
Dear God are you clowns really gonna act like you understand football more than Sean spence?

It comes down to toughness, tackling , playing physical. Which coach is at fault there? Hint, his name rhymes with swasey

Are you going to act like you understand football more than Eric Winston or Duane Starks? What makes Sean Spence's opinion more valuable?

Sean Spence actually played for the man.

1. Are you saying we're doing the exact things right now that we were doing when he played for him?

2. Are you saying that Eric Winston or Duane Starks can't trust what they see because they didn't play for a coach?

3. More than that, are you saying that Sean Spence has some unique knowledge of our situation? He's watching games (presumably) and giving an opinion. Look at his quote:
“I don’t know if its misfits or guys missing tackles. I know the tackling system they go through every day in practice and that system shouldn’t create problems like that.”




yes, playing for D'onfrio for a year, being in meetings and being part of his game planning for a year makes Sean's opinion more valuable when forming an opinion on him as a D coordinator. And as the article states, when he did play for him and had 5-6 NFL caliber upperclassmen playing with him(Sean, Rayray, Forston, Olivier, Vandyke, Mcgee), D'onfrio ran a D ranked 17th in scoring.

Its Jim's and Joe's that matter more then X's and O's. This saturday we will be playing the worse team in the ACC and will have a DT starting for us that couldn't break the starting line up for them in 4 years…. That alone says a little something about our current talent level

not saying He gets a pass and the D isn't underperforming, but its more a talent issue right now. Corch Shannon was a genius when he had a D full of pro bowlers and now he's the LB coach for a team losing by 40 points every Saturday….
 
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Eric Winston is in the NFL and playing I doubt he have enough time to break down or closely follow the game.
 
Dear God are you clowns really gonna act like you understand football more than Sean spence?

It comes down to toughness, tackling , playing physical. Which coach is at fault there? Hint, his name rhymes with swasey

Are you going to act like you understand football more than Eric Winston or Duane Starks? What makes Sean Spence's opinion more valuable?

Sean Spence actually played for the man.

1. Are you saying we're doing the exact things right now that we were doing when he played for him?

2. Are you saying that Eric Winston or Duane Starks can't trust what they see because they didn't play for a coach?

3. More than that, are you saying that Sean Spence has some unique knowledge of our situation? He's watching games (presumably) and giving an opinion. Look at his quote:
“I don’t know if its misfits or guys missing tackles. I know the tackling system they go through every day in practice and that system shouldn’t create problems like that.”




yes, playing for D'onfrio for a year, being in meetings and being part of his game planning for a year makes Sean's opinion more valuable when forming an opinion on him as a D coordinator. And as the article states, when he did play for him and had 5-6 NFL caliber upperclassmen playing with him(Sean, Rayray, Forston, Olivier, Vandyke, Mcgee), D'onfrio ran a D ranked 17th in scoring.

Its Jim's and Joe's that matter more then X's and O's. This saturday we will be playing the worse team in the ACC and will have a DT starting for us that couldn't break the starting line up for them in 4 years…. That alone says a little something about our current talent level

not saying He gets a pass and the D isn't underperforming, but its more a talent issue right now. Corch Shannon was a genius when he had a D full of pro bowlers and now he's the LB coach for a team losing by 40 points every Saturday….

That says more about our DT recruiting.

And as for the 2011 defense. We play no one, and I mean no one, worth a **** that year offensively.
The best team we played was VT and we gave up 38 to them & a 4th & 1 run up the middle for 20 yard game winning TD. (sound familiar 3 years later).

Some of you will figure it out sooner or later.
 
Spence is a bright guy. Note that he says that they do a lot of stuff the Steelers do. Spence can handle a lot that is why he played as a freshman. Not all guys are equipped to be Spence. If we had 11 mental spence's we'd probably be Ok. One day D will realize that he doesnt have that. Unfortunately for him that day might come in the unemployment line.
 
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Dear God are you clowns really gonna act like you understand football more than Sean spence?

It comes down to toughness, tackling , playing physical. Which coach is at fault there? Hint, his name rhymes with swasey

Are you going to act like you understand football more than Eric Winston or Duane Starks? What makes Sean Spence's opinion more valuable?

Sean Spence actually played for the man.

1. Are you saying we're doing the exact things right now that we were doing when he played for him?

2. Are you saying that Eric Winston or Duane Starks can't trust what they see because they didn't play for a coach?

3. More than that, are you saying that Sean Spence has some unique knowledge of our situation? He's watching games (presumably) and giving an opinion. Look at his quote:
“I don’t know if its misfits or guys missing tackles. I know the tackling system they go through every day in practice and that system shouldn’t create problems like that.”




Are you saying spence is not a student of the game and don't know what he is talking about ?


Where do you think this defense should be as far as defense ranking/stats in college football? That what I want to know. At times it seems like you think another coordinator would have a top 30 defense with these players. And please don't say just don't get beat by duke.
 
Are you going to act like you understand football more than Eric Winston or Duane Starks? What makes Sean Spence's opinion more valuable?

Sean Spence actually played for the man.

1. Are you saying we're doing the exact things right now that we were doing when he played for him?

2. Are you saying that Eric Winston or Duane Starks can't trust what they see because they didn't play for a coach?

3. More than that, are you saying that Sean Spence has some unique knowledge of our situation? He's watching games (presumably) and giving an opinion. Look at his quote:
“I don’t know if its misfits or guys missing tackles. I know the tackling system they go through every day in practice and that system shouldn’t create problems like that.”




yes, playing for D'onfrio for a year, being in meetings and being part of his game planning for a year makes Sean's opinion more valuable when forming an opinion on him as a D coordinator. And as the article states, when he did play for him and had 5-6 NFL caliber upperclassmen playing with him(Sean, Rayray, Forston, Olivier, Vandyke, Mcgee), D'onfrio ran a D ranked 17th in scoring.

Its Jim's and Joe's that matter more then X's and O's. This saturday we will be playing the worse team in the ACC and will have a DT starting for us that couldn't break the starting line up for them in 4 years…. That alone says a little something about our current talent level

not saying He gets a pass and the D isn't underperforming, but its more a talent issue right now. Corch Shannon was a genius when he had a D full of pro bowlers and now he's the LB coach for a team losing by 40 points every Saturday….

That says more about our DT recruiting.

And as for the 2011 defense. We play no one, and I mean no one, worth a **** that year offensively.
The best team we played was VT and we gave up 38 to them & a 4th & 1 run up the middle for 20 yard game winning TD. (sound familiar 3 years later).

Some of you will figure it out sooner or later.

so he couldnt bring in any top DT's with the NCAA ****, correct….. But he was suppose to do what? Dude was aggressive as **** going after every DT and they weren't willing to come… You gotta wait to form a judgement on his recruiting in Feb and from the looks of it, we'll all be happy
 
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Spence doesn't have to defend Coach D.... he has no obligation to do so, yet when he says its not Coach's scheme everyone gets up in arms. Seems like players are defending the scheme more and more....

Truth is we dont have the horses yet.... However they are coming. We have a great defensive class coming in and its something we havent had in a long time.
 
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Dear God are you clowns really gonna act like you understand football more than Sean spence?

It comes down to toughness, tackling , playing physical. Which coach is at fault there? Hint, his name rhymes with swasey

Are you going to act like you understand football more than Eric Winston or Duane Starks? What makes Sean Spence's opinion more valuable?

Come on Lu. You are better than this. Normally you are a pretty objective guy, but you have let your disgust bleed over into EVERY analysis here the last week or so. And its understandable. But Winston didnt play defense here. OR anywhere else since. Spence and Futch both played DEFENSE, under Coach D. This pretty much SHREDS the whole "they are just defending Coach D because they are scared and afraid of losing playing time". Spence and Futch dont owe Donofrio jack sh*t, nor are they under any obligation to say this stuff. Personally I think Spence's comments are VERY relevant, moreso than ANY other guy just chiming in. He's a guy that is looking at it from the OUTSIDE NOW, but who has also been on the INSIDE of the system. He played under THREE DCs here, and is in the NFL. So he obviously has some experience with DCs.

I agree in the end its just opinions. But I think THESE particular guys opinions are pretty RELEVANT, considering they were both defensive players, one of them a **** good one whose in the NFL, and they played here for Donofrio. The difference back then was, we had some big DTs like Forston and Regis, who while we always said were JAGS, were big enough to jam up that interior line, and we havent had ANYTHING like that since.

Look, Im not here to defend coach D. Something is EPICALLY broken on this defense, and that is his F*CKING JOB. So if he cant get it fixed, and Ive lost faith he can, then we need to find someone else who can. But Ive been saying that the "blame it all on the scheme" argument is over simplistic and not taking into account that there are much deeper problems on this defense, and that very much includes poor talent, lack of speed, and a bunch of young and players who really dont know this system very well, IN ADDITION to very suspect position coaching.

IMO we can be a lot better on defense. If this was just a matter of Xs and Os, then how the **** did Donofrio manage to coach a half decent defense his first year here? I dont think the guy is a total moron, and having guys like Spence come out and defend him does say SOMETHING, IMO, that maybe the lynch mob here is not seeing the bigger picture.

In the end, I still come down on the side of getting rid of him. Something has to change and FAST here. Maybe AG and MD were lured into thinking that the team was ready for this new base 3-4, its clear mistakes have been made here. I suspect they thought they would be able to battle through this season ok, and keep building it their way and bringing in the personnel they wanted for the system, but now its gotten away from them. But Ive said from the beginning, the talent issue is JUST as big a problem as the coaching IMO. I mean for YEARS we have heard the mantra from every corner of the college football world, "its not the X and Os is the Jimmies and Joes". Now suddenly everyone seems to think a few Xs and Os are going to magically turn this sh*t show into a competitive defense.

The bottom line is, Donofrio seems like he's flat out of ideas on how to fix this mess. So I do think its time to bring in someone else, find a system that works with the players we have, not trying to force a system based on players we WISH we had. But the constant insistence on here by most that this is all just because Donofrio is the worst DC in the history of football is oversimplistic and ignores deeper issues we have. Look, I get it. Everyone wants the "easy answer". We all want to believe that its as simple as bringing in a good DC and we are suddenly going to be this great defense, but maybe we need to take a step back, look at the bigger picture, and realize that maybe Golden is right when he says we are still rebuilding, and that he never thought we were "back" this year.
 
Sean Spence actually played for the man.

1. Are you saying we're doing the exact things right now that we were doing when he played for him?

2. Are you saying that Eric Winston or Duane Starks can't trust what they see because they didn't play for a coach?

3. More than that, are you saying that Sean Spence has some unique knowledge of our situation? He's watching games (presumably) and giving an opinion. Look at his quote:
“I don’t know if its misfits or guys missing tackles. I know the tackling system they go through every day in practice and that system shouldn’t create problems like that.”




yes, playing for D'onfrio for a year, being in meetings and being part of his game planning for a year makes Sean's opinion more valuable when forming an opinion on him as a D coordinator. And as the article states, when he did play for him and had 5-6 NFL caliber upperclassmen playing with him(Sean, Rayray, Forston, Olivier, Vandyke, Mcgee), D'onfrio ran a D ranked 17th in scoring.

Its Jim's and Joe's that matter more then X's and O's. This saturday we will be playing the worse team in the ACC and will have a DT starting for us that couldn't break the starting line up for them in 4 years…. That alone says a little something about our current talent level

not saying He gets a pass and the D isn't underperforming, but its more a talent issue right now. Corch Shannon was a genius when he had a D full of pro bowlers and now he's the LB coach for a team losing by 40 points every Saturday….

That says more about our DT recruiting.

And as for the 2011 defense. We play no one, and I mean no one, worth a **** that year offensively.
The best team we played was VT and we gave up 38 to them & a 4th & 1 run up the middle for 20 yard game winning TD. (sound familiar 3 years later).

Some of you will figure it out sooner or later.

so he couldnt bring in any top DT's with the NCAA ****, correct….. But he was suppose to do what? Dude was aggressive as **** going after every DT and they weren't willing to come… You gotta wait to form a judgement on his recruiting in Feb and from the looks of it, we'll all be happy

He is **** recruiter along with Jertho. We could get an elite CB, Safety, WR etc but not DT because we have **** recruiters.
 
Where's Morgan these days? Can we get some quotes from Dan? That dude keeps it 100.

Does spence not?

Nope.

Not like Dan.

Didn't realize a known student of the game, still collecting a nfl check. Don't keep it 100.
I imagine he knows players on the team and he keeps it 100

Spence is still a kid and fresh out of UM. What is he gonna say? "Yeah I played for that guy and his scheme sucks."

Dan has no agenda or bias. He's long gone from UM and he's a grown *** man.
 
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