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Scapegoat Guidry

Yoyo82 said:
Guidry is:

Probably a good X and O coach with guys who can execute his system.
Not a good recruiter.
Doesn't looks like he's very creative on D when there are holes.

What was most concerning to me was his lack of ability to make adjustments at the safety level to cover up the flaws. Why trot Jaden Harris out there all season long when you know he's a liability at pretty much every level? No accountability for him continuing to lose discipline as a safety. There should be zero tolerance for a safety constantly letting guys behind him when he's the last line of defense. If Harris can't do that there has to be somebody on D who can.

And the same with the DL and stunting. It was obvious our DL had the talent to just straight up 4 man rush QBs and get plenty of pressure. The stunting just gave the QB and offenses more time to develop yet he still did it way too frequently.

We actually did lose a lot of players from last year's defense when you look at production (we lost 8 of our top 11 tacklers). But when you look at the list it doesn't look like any of the players we lost were irreplaceable. But maybe just the combination of so much inexperience, especially in the secondary, is what hurt us.

Also another observation: Mauigoa's sack number went down from 7.5 to 2. Whatever Guidry did differently with him this year was a huge disservice. He needs to be playing downhill.

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You don’t need to get that specific (not saying you’re wrong at all btw). Guidry didn’t adjust - at least not effectively.
 
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The question we have to ask ourselves isn’t is Guidry any good? The real question we have to ask is what changed? The new technology in college football has made it very difficult for defenses. The biggest issue I have with him is his lack of adaptability on the fly, it seems after the south Florida game a lot of the teams were “checking with me” and Guidry just remained in his defense. Across the landscape of college football the defenses I find to be the most successful are the ones that disguise their coverages and change as close to snap as possible.
 
I want him gone cause he made no changes or anything just kept running out the same defense all year . Stubborn *******
 
RozayCane said:
Ok, I’ll say it.

I’m fine with him getting one more year. Give him some safeties worth a dam and a new MLB.

And I need him to figure out more consistency with the DL.
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He needs the athletes to play his style of defense but, beyond that, the tackling was poor and there was consistent confusion on the field. I saw a lack of confidence and thinking too much as the year went on; our guys played hard but not fast.

It was a poor fit that didn't improve over the course of the season and I believe everyone would benefit from a fresh start.
 
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Of Syracuse’s 12 games this year only UNLV gave up more pts than we did (2 more pts)

Holy Cross held Syracuse to the same point total as us.

UConn and U of Ohio held Syracuse to fewer points. So did every single other ACC opponent.

Is our talent worse than every other ACC team, UConn and U of Ohio? Is our talent so bad we’re on par with Holy Cross.

I don’t defend our talent, but the problem goes far deeper.
 
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When you just had a season like that, you HAVE to fire the DC. You can't even risk it by assuming its the players. You'll set yourself back another two years if youre wrong and could be fired by then. Full overhaul type performance like the Gattis situation.
 
Nmiamicane630 said:
I am not defending the man..BUT

the majority of canes fans, myself included, felt Guidry was a good coordinator based on his season last year with a vastly more talented defense.


Now the fanbase wants him axed.


I’m playing devils advocate here. Is he really to blame? Or is “recruiting ace” Cristobal to blame for not finding adequate “jimmys and joes”?

I think it’s the latter. i think our talent on defense was worse than we all thought going into this year.
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Na, **** take.

Anyone who played ball knows what a good coordinator does when they have graduates and new players.

You scheme around your talent and their deficiencies to put yourself in the best place to succeed. Putting Francisco on RB's on go routes is NOT putting your players in the best place to succeed. Its stupidity, and it happened every game.

We might be the only team that regressed on defense all year. We didn't get better, we didn't learn from our mistakes, we didnt try different players or schemes. We stayed stubborn.

Woulda ran nickel the entire second half of the year because of this bull****. Dumbass coach.
 
RozayCane said:
Ok, I’ll say it.

I’m fine with him getting one more year. Give him some safeties worth a dam and a new MLB.

And I need him to figure out more consistency with the DL.
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Maybe the issue wasn't an Xs and Os with him; it was a talent issue. Still, you need to attract recruits to come, and it is not happening right now because of what they saw on the field this year.

I'm sure Mario gave him opportunities to pursue who he wanted. I believe this because I heard Shannon wanted Ward over anyone, and we got him. Guidry got his CB coach, Hill, and the full reins of the defense play calling. He should have done more if talent was lacking because there's no way we can see our DB and say we are good.

It's hard being a coordinator in CFB. This isn't like the NFL, where Vance Joseph, who has been good, stunk it up last year and has the Broncos rolling this year. In my opinion, Guidry won't get the opportunity to redeem himself if it is a liability to recruiting.
 
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Could you imagine what this team could have been with Kam and James Williams coming back?
 
Memnon said:
The next DC will be the next scapegoat.

Wash, rinse, repeat.
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He shouldn’t get a next DC after this one.

This will be #3 in Year 4. That’s it, you don’t get the luxury of any more firings in such a short period.

If we find ourselves in the same situation again, Mario will have proven he don’t have the capabilities of either finding an adequate defensive coordinator, or he just keeps deflecting the blame. In either case, bye.
 
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I think it was more of a talent issue, BUT there's no reason to keep Guidry.

He doesn't have so much upside as a DC that you ride out one bad year. He's not an ace recruiter. He doesn't have a local contingent of supporters that will scream bloody murder if he's fired.

There's also the perception that he's bad, which is bad for recruiting.

Mario is a salesman.

He needs to sell that the defense is improving. Hard to do that with recruits when the defense was a total embarrassment that cost us a playoff berth despite having a historically elite offense.

Mario needs to make a splashy hire that is also a good hire. And that coach needs to be able to pick his assistants. I don't think Mario is tied to anyone other than maybe Salave'a for west coast/Pacific Island recruiting.

He wouldn't come here, but somebody like Muschamp. Somebody with a track record at the P4 level. Maybe even an NFL guy who's well regarded (i.e. Mike McDonald before Jim Harbaugh hired him).

It wouldn't be a great look to fire a G5-level guy only to hire another one.
 
Nmiamicane630 said:
I am not defending the man..BUT

the majority of canes fans, myself included, felt Guidry was a good coordinator based on his season last year with a vastly more talented defense.


Now the fanbase wants him axed.


I’m playing devils advocate here. Is he really to blame? Or is “recruiting ace” Cristobal to blame for not finding adequate “jimmys and joes”?

I think it’s the latter. i think our talent on defense was worse than we all thought going into this year.
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2010 Mark DNofrio had the #16 defense at Temple, allowing 20 ppg. 2011 he goes to UM with Folden, we have the #18 defense at 20 ppg. Pretty remarkable consistency across two different organizations. Then 2012 drops to #83 and 30 ppg, a slightly less sucky 26 ppg in 2013, and then a not terrible 24.3 ppg, before once again ****ting the bed at 28 ppg.

He was running Al Goldens defense, but as we see at Notre Dame, Al Golden’s Defense can work with the right players. So did DNofrio get scapegoated when the real problem was lack of talent? I don’t think so because we saw Diaz take that defense and turn it into a top 12 defense the very next year, which strongly suggested the problem was DNo was running the wrong system for the players that Golden recruited. Just so happened that that Shannon’s recruits were more capable in that system early on, so the scheme problems were less obvious.

Whether Guidry is being scapegoated depends on a lot on what the next DC does. I think with a better DC, it could be a top 30 defense with talent in the roster (not having Kiko whiffing on tackles will improve the stats significantly). But if the next DC struggles, we’ll see the issue was the talent, not Guidry.
 
Nmiamicane630 said:
I am not defending the man..BUT

the majority of canes fans, myself included, felt Guidry was a good coordinator based on his season last year with a vastly more talented defense.


Now the fanbase wants him axed.


I’m playing devils advocate here. Is he really to blame? Or is “recruiting ace” Cristobal to blame for not finding adequate “jimmys and joes”?

I think it’s the latter. i think our talent on defense was worse than we all thought going into this year.
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It’s perplexing. The reason they hired him was because of the job he did at Marshall with that defense and at other stops. I doubt that he went all of those years, forgetting about how to cover an open receiver.

Trust me, I want him gone just because of the optics alone, but it just makes no sense.

So if it wasn’t all on him, a lot of it was on the team. Cam had that offense locked in and together. The defense playd like they didn’t like each other.

And if that’s the case, then it falls on the head coach as well as the defensive coordinator.

But plenty of YouTube people, plenty of people on here, and plenty of sports casters were noticing things that were blatantly obvious and appeared from the outside to be easy to fix.

Why couldn’t it be fixed, why dudes were not picking up on game film fixing their mistakes is beyond me.
 
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I have to disagree. Yes the talent is not championship level but is it any worse than other ACC defense like GT or Duke? They looked out of position and lost all season and that is on Guidry. You can’t tell me it takes a team of 4 and 5 star DBs to know who to pick up when a team motions.
 
We seemed to be out schemed way too often this year. Especially early in games we always seemed to be surprised by what the Offense was running. If that happens once it is understandable but when it happens week after week, that screams coaching inferiority to me.
 
tr1ck said:
I want him gone cause he made no changes or anything just kept running out the same defense all year . Stubborn *******
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This is the thing I just can’t understand. You see the defensive performance each week and say to yourself “yep, let’s just keep doing that.” It’s truly astounding.
 
Nmiamicane630 said:
I am not defending the man..BUT

the majority of canes fans, myself included, felt Guidry was a good coordinator based on his season last year with a vastly more talented defense.


Now the fanbase wants him axed.


I’m playing devils advocate here. Is he really to blame? Or is “recruiting ace” Cristobal to blame for not finding adequate “jimmys and joes”?

I think it’s the latter. i think our talent on defense was worse than we all thought going into this year.
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Adjustment is the job of the DC. We continued to get torched with man yet we continued running the same play. Players confused with their assignments from simple motions and shifts the entire year.

Why not play a zone and let teams march their way down the field and hope the drive stalls or hold them to a field goal?
 
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