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Scapegoat Guidry

I don’t think he is a horrible coordinator but I do feel he is out of his league. He is perfect fit for those Tulane and Marshall type conferences. He can do more with less but not more with MORE. If u know what I mean.
 
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Hoyacane1620 said:
I. A see this but it doesn’t explain the lack of ANY changes. Changes in scheme and changes of personnel. At various points of games changing up the personnel couldn’t have made it worse, regardless of how Inexperienced the backups were

I’d imagine Harris couldn’t feel too good about himself and his abilities.
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear he was playing injured.
 
Yeah, outside of the secondary, talent didn't look to be the big issue IMO. To me the Syracuse game was actually where it stood out the most. You have a 21 point lead, the best QB in the country, playing against one of the top passing offenses in the country, and we're running cover 0, with blitzes. Why are we trying to have a shootout with Syracuse?

We should've made the adjustment after the first 1 on 1 bomb to run cover 2, let our defensive line work, and MAKE Syracuse drive the length of the field. That would've cut out at least 2 of their drives, and we win easily. (This isn't even a hindsight thought, it's just common sense IMO). Syracuse made it very obvious that as long as we played 1 on 1 with a freshman CB, they weren't even gonna call a play...just throw it deep every play, it'll either be PI or a completion....who wouldn't take those odds????
 
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Id be interested to be yards per play against in comparison to last year.

Our offense was super quick this year and scored fast.
Last year, we were more methodical and leaned on the run game and shortened a possessions.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
I. A see this but it doesn’t explain the lack of ANY changes. Changes in scheme and changes of personnel. At various points of games changing up the personnel couldn’t have made it worse, regardless of how Inexperienced the backups were

I’d imagine Harris couldn’t feel too good about himself and his abilities.
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That’s the crazy part, there were literally no adjustments game to game. At least last year, he said I went to the 3-3-5 but that was because he was forced to because of injuries. So no injuries forced him to adjust I guess
 
According to F+:

2022 defense was 57
2023 defense was 39

Which is an improvement, but probably not anything you wouldn’t expect with just a certain level of returning production with an extra year of experience.

He was basically a non-factor in 2023.

In 2024 the defense was 46.

It’s not that he sucks per se. it’s that he is just a non-factor. He’s irrelevant, and we can do better.
 
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Nmiamicane630 said:
I am not defending the man..BUT
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Here comes the defense. He's got to go.
Nmiamicane630 said:
the majority of canes fans, myself included, felt Guidry was a good coordinator based on his season last year with a vastly more talented defense.
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No, we were impressed with the adjustments he made based on injury to personnel. That warrants further consideration. The overall numbers on defense weren't that great. But was enough to hold a cohesive narrative and he's good.
Nmiamicane630 said:
Now the fanbase wants him axed.
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Historically bad defense. If the players don't know what to do for an entire season then someone's not telling them. There's someone that has coordinator in his title that's supposed to be handling this. Historically bad.
Nmiamicane630 said:
I’m playing devils advocate here. Is he really to blame? Or is “recruiting ace” Cristobal to blame for not finding adequate “jimmys and joes”?

I think it’s the latter. i think our talent on defense was worse than we all thought going into this year.
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Yeah it's Mario's fault. He clearly isn't a great recruiter. Just one or two splash guys to boost the rankings. He's the guy at the top and he's got to be to blame.
 
Both are true. The talent was worse than a lot of fans expected and Guidry was that bad exacerbating the issue.
 
skydogcane6 said:
No he was bad this year and needs to go. Players don’t want to play for him, coaches don’t want to coach with him, and he refused to make any adjustments to help his guys out. Move on

He had a solid year last year but I’m starting to think that was more so because of the strong veteran presence we had on that side of the ball. And even then his flaws started to show as we got to the end of the season. This year was a younger squad that needed savvy coaching to be competitive and he couldn’t deliver. I think he probably hit his coaching ceiling.

As far as talent goes, it’s obvious we need an infusion on defense. But you should not need a ton of blue chip recruits to put together an average defense. The other schools in our conference didn’t
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your second sentence ... players don't want to play for him ... all of our decommits are on his side of the ball ... mario said, if you can't recruit and identify talent, what use are you? (paraphrasing)
 
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Stats02 said:
Two things can be true here: Our talent on defense was overrated, and Guidry is bad.

In 2023 Guidry had two really bad games against UNC and Louisville. We chalked it up to Guidry not having enough talent on defense. Also both those offenses were pretty elite. That was true at the time. Neither of those teams had to really outcoach/outscheme Guidry (although they still did). They were loaded with good players in good systems.

Fast forward to 2024. We thought our defense was going to be better with exception of secondary. For the first few games, the front 7 did look better. Secondary was playing ok, not really giving up big plays and making tackles when needed. USF game really exposed us. I now wonder if our defense would have continued to struggle in the 2nd half if their starting qb had not gotten injured. From then on, it was motion, shifting, and misdirection from every offense we faced. Guidry had no answer. It was so bad, it was comical at times.

I'll need to go back and watch some games from 2023 season to see if teams ran as much motion and shifting as they did in 2024. Seems like Guidry's defense performs much better when the opponent's offense just comes to the LOS and stays in that formation and does not send anybody in motion. Looking back to GT this year, we forced them to punt on two consecutive possessions in the 4th qtr. They went conservative and made it easy for us. After that late turnover and GT needed a first down to ice the game, they used motion again. Easy first down. If Cal hadn't gone ultra conservative on offense, we don't have that miracle comeback.

My point is for 2024, Guidry is getting flat outcoached/outschemed every game. It's not like some of these OC's he's facing are some offensive masterminds. Nor were any of these offenses that we faced this year elite. I saw enough of Guidry's coaching and scheme to say this was on him. He's not the scapegoat. He was the problem.

I'm not saying that I want him fired, but one more year of confusion, poor alignment, and poor tackling, then he needs to go.
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We have an entire season’s worth of games as our sample size. Guidry’s unit regressed over the course of the entire season. Keeping him for another year would be an egregious mistake. An elite defensive coordinator would be able to game plan effectively to at least slow down an air raid offense in a high stakes game( let alone after going up 21 points). You don’t need 5 star athletes at every position to achieve this. Guidry may be an above average coordinator but he is far from elite. We need elite! The whole notion that we have to recruit/portal talent so good that it can overcome Mario’s deficiencies was referring to his game day coaching ineptitude and not to the coordinators.
 
It's on both, Guidry and Mario.

But Guidry gets more blame for several reasons....
- The worst unit on the field was safety. That's his position unit.
- CBs were bad too and that unit belongs to the only defensive coach he brought in.
- The lack of in-game and game-to-game adjustments. We saw the same failed calls all season. At least try something different instead of accepting continued failure or false hope something will spontaneously change.
- Mario is the HC and can't go anywhere with his contract. If you choose to work for him, you need to understand if something goes wrong, it's going to be on you and not him. If you agreed to not have more control over your D staff, that's also on you.
 
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Guidry's is not a bad coordinator but like all coordinators he needs talent to succeed. I don't believe you can scheme up a dominant defense. Elite team play requires elite players. Guidry would look like a genius with the 2000-2001 Canes.

Yet...

All season long at every level players lined up incorrectly, took bad angles, failed to set the edge, missed tackles, and played poor technique. No, they aren't coached to make these mistakes but do not seem to be coached to learn either. The same bad performance against VT was displayed at Syracuse. The same players made the same mistakes. Especially in the secondary, his specialty.

He failed at providing even an average defense by today's metrics.

No mulligan.
 
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Nmiamicane630 said:
There were definitely bad defensive moments, but I think most of us felt like the defense was good last year, it was the offense that was terrible. We lost key guys to the nfl and didn't have replacements that were even serviceable. That falls on Mario IMO.
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Mario is CEO so yea it falls on him. With that said. The coordinators need to be able to recruit too.
 
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