forums

Scapegoat Guidry

Nmiamicane630 said:
I am not defending the man..BUT

the majority of canes fans, myself included, felt Guidry was a good coordinator based on his season last year with a vastly more talented defense.


Now the fanbase wants him axed.


I’m playing devils advocate here. Is he really to blame? Or is “recruiting ace” Cristobal to blame for not finding adequate “jimmys and joes”?

I think it’s the latter. i think our talent on defense was worse than we all thought going into this year.
Click to expand...
 
Advertisement
canefanforlife1 said:
Half the reason we didn't reach the season average on offense against GT is because GT ran the ball down our throat and kept the offense off the field.
Click to expand...
Other half is the defense forced 3 punts in first half and we scored just 3 points on those 3 drives.
 
Advertisement
Nmiamicane630 said:
I am not defending the man..BUT

the majority of canes fans, myself included, felt Guidry was a good coordinator based on his season last year with a vastly more talented defense.


Now the fanbase wants him axed.


I’m playing devils advocate here. Is he really to blame? Or is “recruiting ace” Cristobal to blame for not finding adequate “jimmys and joes”?

I think it’s the latter. i think our talent on defense was worse than we all thought going into this year.
Click to expand...
We were historically weak at Safety this season. I’ve said it all along, if the last line of defense is weak, your team defense as a whole is compromised.

We as a fan base are upset with the finish to the season and human nature says that the blame must be placed somewhere - thus ppl calling for Guidry’s head, which I think is largely unfair based on his complete body of work. He at least deserves 1 more year and be provided what his scheme needs to succeed - which we all found out to be above average to food Safety play.
 
CaneThang2020 said:
We were historically weak at Safety this season. I’ve said it all along, if the last line of defense is weak, your team defense as a whole is compromised.

We as a fan base are upset with the finish to the season and human nature says that the blame must be placed somewhere - thus ppl calling for Guidry’s head, which I think is largely unfair based on his complete body of work. He at least deserves 1 more year and be provided what his scheme needs to succeed - which we all found out to be above average to food Safety play.
Click to expand...
And what about being unable to set the edge at all when we were playing a one dimensional team like tech? Honest question. Also, someone with a lot more knowledge than me will have to explain why were unable to scheme a bend but don’t break defense against Syracuse after going up by 21 points.
 
ADELPHI said:
And what about being unable to set the edge at all when we were playing a one dimensional team like tech? Honest question. Also, someone with a lot more knowledge than me will have to explain why were unable to scheme a bend but don’t break defense against Syracuse after going up by 21 points.
Click to expand...
I will agree with you on the GTech game - our kids didn’t show up, like at all, offense or defense.

In the Cuse game, bend or break be dang, our secondary got absolutely dissected on the field - when the started attacking our best CB, freshman OJ (which says a lot in itself), I knew the game was over and they would score each time they touched the football.

Pressure bursts pipes and after capturing that elusive 10th win vs Wake….our guys exhaled when they went up 21-0, thought the game was over. Anyone that’s ever played football knows that football is a game about momentum 95% of the time (minus the annually top 5% teams that have winning ingrained into the team culture).

Once Cuse tied that game up, it was a wrap my friend - if it were a boxing match, Cuse caught us with a left hook that shook our knees and we never fully recovered and were on the defensive until the end.

Crazy part is we still SHOULD’VE tied the game in the 4th on our final drive had it not been for a ticky tack unsporting call vs Jacolby.

With the way the season has ended, imo we badly need this 11th win in the bowl game - I would argue it’s more important than us getting the 10th win because it eliminates the bad taste and provides an additional data point to how successful the 2024 team was.
 
Advertisement
canefanforlife1 said:
Half the reason we didn't reach the season average on offense against GT is because GT ran the ball down our throat and kept the offense off the field.
Click to expand...

After we went up 10-7, GT scored to go 14-10 at the very beginning of the second quarter. We punted next series after 5 plays. Then our defense forced a 3 and out. Yes you read that correctly. Got the ball back to the offense almost immediately. UM then has a turnover on downs after 11 plays. And the our defense gets another 3 and out, GT gained -2 yards. That’s now back to back 3 and outs forced by the defense. Gets us ball back in good field position. And what did we do? Yet another punt after just 5 plays.

Long story short , after GT scored a TD with 12 min to go in the 2nd quarter they didn’t pick up another first down in the entire half until they had around a minute left and still didn’t do anything. We had 3 possessions in that span and did zero with it. So no, GT did not keep the offense off the field by running the ball in the first half.

Oh but wait- there’s more. We got the ball back to start the second half. After a 4 minute drive, we turned the ball over again on downs. That’s 4 straight possessions where we got no points. Now GT starts running the ball effectively and scores a TD to go up 21-10. We answer with a TD. Score is 21-16.

Next drive our D forces a fumble, but we don’t get the bounce. king recovers, GT then responds with another TD. Now it’s 28-16 at the beginning of the 4th quarter. Hey, plenty of time for our explosive offense to catch up. What do we do next? You guessed it- another turnover on downs.

GT gets the ball, and shocker- our defense forces ANOTHER 3 and out. GT had the ball a whopping 1:40 seconds. We get the ball back. We finally do something with it and score a TD. Now it’s 28-23. Need a stop. And… the D gets a stop. Forces a punt. Our Heisman candidate qb has 2 min to go 80 yards. Have to be feeling good now. And then a sack fumble and game over.

GT had the ball a long time because UM kept turning the ball over. How many? 4 turnovers (3 turnovers on downs, and
One fumble ).

So let’s tally it up. 10 total possessions-
3 TDs
1 FG
4 turnovers
2 punts

And now let’s compare to the FSU game where we dominated them. Want to guess how many possessions? 8 (not counting the run to end the game).

So you tell me. If the narrative is true and GT was running through UM and chewing clock to keep the offense from touching the ball , how is it that we actually got 2 more possessions vs GT than we did in the fsu game?

Fact is, the offense had plenty of opportunities against GT but the offense just flat out failed. You can’t possibly think that 4 turnovers and 2 punts is on the defense.
 
Last edited:
Nmiamicane630 said:
I am not defending the man..BUT

the majority of canes fans, myself included, felt Guidry was a good coordinator based on his season last year with a vastly more talented defense.


Now the fanbase wants him axed.


I’m playing devils advocate here. Is he really to blame? Or is “recruiting ace” Cristobal to blame for not finding adequate “jimmys and joes”?

I think it’s the latter. i think our talent on defense was worse than we all thought going into this year.
Click to expand...

Nmiamicane630 said:
I am not defending the man..BUT

the majority of canes fans, myself included, felt Guidry was a good coordinator based on his season last year with a vastly more talented defense.


Now the fanbase wants him axed.


I’m playing devils advocate here. Is he really to blame? Or is “recruiting ace” Cristobal to blame for not finding adequate “jimmys and joes”?

I think it’s the latter. i think our talent on defense was worse than we all thought going into this year.
Click to expand...
Some of it is talent. But way too many problems from Guidry's coaching. First lack of communication. Never got fixed and every game the defense let guys run free for huge gains or TD's. Linebackers especially Kiko could not cover backs. Dropping D ends into coverage instead of pass rushing them also led to mismatches in coverage. Tackling was poor most of the time against good backs. Had no answer for G Tech or Syracuse offenses. Where were the adjustments? Non existent.
 
I know we didn’t have the most talented players on defense but good coaches can get above average results with average players. If we could have just gotten average results we would have been ACC champs and be waiting on our opponent in the second round of the playoffs.

I don’t think Guidry is a bad coach per say but **** when Jaden Harris is out of position and takes a poor angle giving up a long touchdown in week 1 and doing the EXACT same thing in week 12, who’s fault is it? As a coach, your job is to teach these guys what to do and if they keep making the same mistakes, you play someone who can learn to not keep making them.

The bottom line is a good coordinator would have been able to form a functional defense with the pieces we have. I’m not expecting a top unit. Just one that doesn’t give up tons of yards and points to bad offenses. VT, Cal, Duke, Georgia Tech are not great offensive teams. They’re pretty bad for the most part but they looked like Chip Kelly Oregonian against our defense and that’s inexcusable
 
Advertisement
Back
Top