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Manny playing chess......cat's about to come out the bag.....

Gooner#44 said:
Man you type a lot to make excuses TB, you my dude and I really like most of your posts but once you start trying to "cover" for the teams past failures (and you always do) you lose my interest. Sorry buddy, just being honest with you. Other than that you are one **** of a poster.
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Thanks, but I don't cover for past failures. What I do is point out where it looks to me like Diaz is addressing the problem. Others can't seem to believe that he's smart enough to find solutions to certain problems.

Example:

Problem: Miami used to lead cfb in decommits.
Analysis: previous coaches would pressure recruits to publicly commit before they were ready to build fake momentum.
Solution- don't announce a commitment until a recruit had 100% decided to shut it down.

Problem: Bag schools buy the top recruits. Most recruits will not turn down money.
Analysis: Miami will never be able outbid those schools. Bag schools will not stop throwing money at talent. Need a strategy to work around the bags
Solution: get the top kids in the fold, keep it quiet, let kids go on visits to collect their money from the other schools. Recruiting jujitsu 101- let those schools pay our recruits.
 
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Cookie917 said:
15+ might be **** near our whole class. Also I checked, only 3 schools (ND (16), Baylor (18) and BC (19)) have 15 or more recruits committed out of the top 50.

Personally, I thought we would have SOME pop at paradise camp, it usually is fruitful for us. But we have a lotttt of targets with commitment dates in July. If we do not have a good July and we roll into August with still only 3, I think more fear is justified. I do not think that happens, I think we have a great July.
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I agree with you but there are many on this board that made the same argument about June...

Not going to worry until August rolls around and then we can see where we are.

What is the expectation heading into August in terms of public commitments? 8 to 10?
 
TimeBum said:
Hypothetically, let's say you are an elite 5 star DE (we'll call you Shumar Shubert for purposes of this example). You have decided you want to go to Miami and told the Miami coaches that you are in, however the biggest bag schools in the country are knocking on your door. Both you AND the Miami coaches are fully aware that if you visit a school like TAMU and they think you are still on the market, they are going to hand you McDonald's bags full of cash in an attempt to sway you. Miami coaches also know that if they announce your commitment, two things could happen- 1) the bag schools decide to move on to other targets so you don't get the money or 2) they will do what UF did with J. Marshall and make an absolutely obscene offer to flip you. The staff knows the game (several came from these SEC schools)- every top recruit is getting paid a little something by at least 5 or 6 different bag schools (it's just a taste, they promise a whole lot more once you sign) . If the staff tells you, "Sorry, once we publicly announce your commitment, you have to shut down your recruitment" then you aren't going to commit because not many recruits will turn down the chance to collect tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars during their visits. The win-win is for the staff to keep commitment quiet and let you play those other programs.
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This is as logical as anything provided in this thread. We don't know for sure, but this hypothesis checks more boxes than any other.
 
Gables Cane said:
I agree with you but there are many on this board that made the same argument about June...

Not going to worry until August rolls around and then we can see where we are.

What is the expectation heading into August in terms of public commitments? 8 to 10?
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I think that # is fair. And TBH I was a wait and see with June, we had a lot of buzz about the cookout and paradise, I thought more might pop and was a lil disappointed until I realized how many firm commitment dates were in July for our targets, that then made sense.
 
AllbouttheU said:
This staff will never learn that silent commits aren’t actual commits.
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neither are public commits. but if going public will let you sleep better at night, Moses is about to start parting the seas for us after July 1. Getty up....
 
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Cribby said:
Most commits are silent until they finally pop. They normally don’t just walk up and go “ I’m commiting now , have a good day”. The coaches normally know before the video , hat game or announcement. So technically most are silents, we just hear about the TL2 types that troll.

It’s just never official until it’s public , and I don’t count it until the paper is signed. So public or silent means nothing until ink is dry.
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Right. Recruiting is fluid until that paper is signed. But I couldn't be relying on a teenager's lil secret when my job is on the line.
 
TimeBum said:
Thanks, but I don't cover for past failures. What I do is point out where it looks to me like Diaz is addressing the problem. Others can't seem to believe that he's smart enough to find solutions to certain problems.

Example:

Problem: Miami used to lead cfb in decommits.
Analysis: previous coaches would pressure recruits to publicly commit before they were ready to build fake momentum.
Solution- don't announce a commitment until a recruit had 100% decided to shut it down.

Problem: Bag schools buy the top recruits. Most recruits will not turn down money.
Analysis: Miami will never be able outbid those schools. Bag schools will not stop throwing money at talent. Need a strategy to work around the bags
Solution: get the top kids in the fold, keep it quiet, let kids go on visits to collect their money from the other schools. Recruiting jujitsu 101- let those schools pay our recruits.
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Well there ya go.....
 
DTP said:
Remember what happened when someone ruined Jason Marshall’s announcement last year? I’m sure the staff would like to avoid that scenario again.
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Let me get this straight. Are you saying that Marshall was going to commit to us but because somebody leaked the information prematurely and prevented Marshall from shocking the world by commiting to UM that Marshall got so upset that he said ***** UM let me sign with UF?

Total Bull****! Marshall was playing us the entire time. He had absolutely zero intention of ever signing with UM.
 
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FrancisSawyer said:
Let me get this straight. Are you saying that Marshall was going to commit to us but because somebody leaked the information prematurely and prevented Marshall from shocking the world by commiting to UM that Marshall got so upset that he said ***** UM let me sign with UF?

Total Bull****! Marshall was playing us the entire time. He had absolutely zero intention of ever signing with UM.
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It getting out allowed UF to up the offer dramatically. It was all semantics , he wasn't passing up the money regardless if he had commited to Miami that day or not. My biggest issue was his Hs staff member leaking it to the media. Because palmetto and their staff are in bed with UF. He wanted to get his.
 
Tad Footeball said:
D'Eriq's Aces.

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Remain Calm All Is Well GIF
 
FrancisSawyer said:
Let me get this straight. Are you saying that Marshall was going to commit to us but because somebody leaked the information prematurely and prevented Marshall from shocking the world by commiting to UM that Marshall got so upset that he said ***** UM let me sign with UF?

Total Bull****! Marshall was playing us the entire time. He had absolutely zero intention of ever signing with UM.
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I think the theory wasn't that because he got ****ed he said F it and went with UF, it was that no one saw us as a legit threat, the other schools were comfortable. When it got out he might be playing those other schools, his bag got very very heavy and the element of surprise was gone, along with a HC in his ear pushing him to UF.

Now the reason that theory didn't make sense to me is because it was not a signing day commit. If he committed to us in July, nothing stopping the bag getting heavy all the way up to signing day. Still an issue however I dont think your reasoning was the ultimate conclusion any one reached.
 
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Cribby said:
It getting out allowed UF to up the offer dramatically. It was all semantics , he wasn't passing up the money regardless if he had commited to Miami that day or not. My biggest issue was his Hs staff member leaking it to the media. Because palmetto and their staff are in bed with UF. He wanted to get his.
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At the risk of going down this path again, couldn’t he have committed to Miami, UF ups their offer, and then he flips? A guy like LT shutting it down when going public is the exception, and it seemed like if he wanted the bag, the timing didn’t really matter. But that’s in the past for many reasons.
 
Cribby said:
It getting out allowed UF to up the offer dramatically. It was all semantics , he wasn't passing up the money regardless if he had commited to Miami that day or not. My biggest issue was his Hs staff member leaking it to the media. Because palmetto and their staff are in bed with UF. He wanted to get his.
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This I have no problem believing. Kid would have never stuck anyway just like you said.

My question then is if Palmetto is so dirty and UF was making $ offers which Im sure they were, then why didn't UF go all out for Taylor, Smith etc..?
 
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Cookie917 said:
I think the theory wasn't that because he got ****ed he said F it and went with UF, it was that no one saw us as a legit threat, the other schools were comfortable. When it got out he might be playing those other schools, his bag got very very heavy and the element of surprise was gone, along with a HC in his ear pushing him to UF.

Now the reason that theory didn't make sense to me is because it was not a signing day commit. If he committed to us in July, nothing stopping the bag getting heavy all the way up to signing day. Still an issue however I dont think your reasoning was the ultimate conclusion any one reached.
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I agree with you on this. Makes sense. My reasoning was that even if Marshall popped for us back then the bag just would have gotten heavier like you said and he would have never stuck till signing day. As far as the conclusion that most people here reached I never really knew because the entire situation was never really explained to me back then and I wasn't going to dig for it after Marshall came out of the closet for UF.
 
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