Ivins new recruiting info

[SpikeUM]

What people dont realize is thats precisely what paradise camp is. People confuse the camp aspect of it with paradise in itself. How we bill it is as a underclassmen camp for invites and walk ins. But the main part of it is strictly invite only from players weve offered and ones we need to evaluate for this upcoming recruiting class or underclassmen we loved the day before after evals and want to see how they compete with other elite recruits. Technically weve done nothing but that since the first one when we had an open camp the first day. Also while i will say ivins is probably the most informed reporter we have now thats really not saying much. Hes clueless on a bunch of things he speaks on. Lastly numbers may be great to have at qb but more than numbers we NEED depth. One of nkosi or cade will transfer. Regardless we need to ensure our eventual back up is a kid more than capable of stepping in and running our offense fluidly. A back up at qb shouldnt simply mean hes nowhere near as good... none of our qbs(malik included)should be exempt of having to prove themselves on the field at this level.

What people dont realize is thats precisely what paradise camp is. People confuse the camp aspect of it with paradise in itself. How we bill it is as a underclassmen camp for invites and walk ins. But the main part of it is strictly invite only from players weve offered and ones we need to evaluate for this upcoming recruiting class or underclassmen we loved the day before after evals and want to see how they compete with other elite recruits. Technically weve done nothing but that since the first one when we had an open camp the first day. Also while i will say ivins is probably the most informed reporter we have now thats really not saying much. Hes clueless on a bunch of things he speaks on. Lastly numbers may be great to have at qb but more than numbers we NEED depth. One of nkosi or cade will transfer. Regardless we need to ensure our eventual back up is a kid more than capable of stepping in and running our offense fluidly. A back up at qb shouldnt simply mean hes nowhere near as good... none of our qbs(malik included)should be exempt of having to prove themselves on the field at this level.

I agree. On Ivins, no writer knows everything, plus he is not always provided the real info, so there is no point in sweating about every word he writes.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

What people dont realize is thats precisely what paradise camp is. People confuse the camp aspect of it with paradise in itself. How we bill it is as a underclassmen camp for invites and walk ins. But the main part of it is strictly invite only from players weve offered and ones we need to evaluate for this upcoming recruiting class or underclassmen we loved the day before after evals and want to see how they compete with other elite recruits. Technically weve done nothing but that since the first one when we had an open camp the first day. Also while i will say ivins is probably the most informed reporter we have now thats really not saying much. Hes clueless on a bunch of things he speaks on. Lastly numbers may be great to have at qb but more than numbers we NEED depth. One of nkosi or cade will transfer. Regardless we need to ensure our eventual back up is a kid more than capable of stepping in and running our offense fluidly. A back up at qb shouldnt simply mean hes nowhere near as good... none of our qbs(malik included)should be exempt of having to prove themselves on the field at this level.

That Baldwin kid at img any good?

 

[jkaz1]

After a quick check on Richt's QB recruiting at GA (during his 15 seasons), he got one QB in 11 of the 15 recruiting cycles, 2 QBs one year and no QB the other 3 years.

So there were a few seasons that he didn't take a QB.

But I'd still be surprised if we didn't take at least 1 QB in each class during his time here.

 

[TheRichtShow]

After a quick check on Richt's QB recruiting at GA (during his 15 seasons), he got one QB in 11 of the 15 recruiting cycles, 2 QBs one year and no QB the other 3 years.

So there were a few seasons that he didn't take a QB.

But I'd still be surprised if we didn't take at least 1 QB in each class during his time here.

He didn't take one in 2015 I know because that's how he got Eason to commit early (by not taking a QB in the class before him).

That obviously backfired on Richt because the QBs he had like Ramsey and Park busted. I can't imagine Richt making that mistake again.

They might only have MJJ on the board right now, but that doesn't mean they won't go after someone else if they miss on him

 

[orange&green84]

Absolutely retarded. This has to be the dumbest rule on earth made up by message board dopes.

No team on earth carries 4 qbs within 2 years of each other. In 2019, you’re going to have 1 sophomore and 3 freshman at qb. All you’re going to get are transfers from this retarded situation. It’s a waste of a schollie to offer a qb unless you think he’s capable of beating everyone else. Clearly Johnson is the only one this year that can.

Because transfers don't happen with QBs. Ever.

 

[BoxingRobes]

You need to get one quarterback every cycle. No compromise on that take. You miss on one...find another. QBs transfer and/or stink way too much to not constantly be on the look for an upgrade.

 

[Storm]

We out for Sorrells?

He wasn't mentioned.

 

[Cuban-Cane]

He wasn't mentioned.

He might be all Oregon. Also, some teams backed off because of his injuries.

 

[Lexcane]

Because transfers don't happen with QBs. Ever.

Logjaming another qb in for 2019 will just result in yet another transfer. That’s what you geniuses are too slow to understand.

 

[Lexcane]

Unless you have a walk-on you LOVE or are ready to give a scholly...Then no that is faulty logic.

Because the transfer could come this winter/spring/or next summer...So why leave yourself only 2 scholly qb next year? Pretty simple.

This is what you’re too slow to understand: adding yet another qb in 2019 won’t do jack **** to increase depth. All you’re doing is adding in another future transfer while temporarily making yourself feel better. And wasting a schollie while you’re at it that could go to a dl or dB.

Like it or not, we need true separation in eligibility. MJJ or any other elite qb ain’t waiting 3 years to start- Perry and Weldon will have 3 years of eligibility, Williams 4, when mjj steps foot on campus.

MJJ along with the Weldon/Perry loser will be gone, so you’re going to end up with only 2 anyways. Wasting a schollie this year on a qb is dumb.

 

[TheRichtShow]

This is what you’re too slow to understand: adding yet another qb in 2019 won’t do jack **** to increase depth. All you’re doing is adding in another future transfer while temporarily making yourself feel better. And wasting a schollie while you’re at it that could go to a dl or dB.

Like it or not, we need true separation in eligibility. MJJ or any other elite qb ain’t waiting 3 years to start- Perry and Weldon will have 3 years of eligibility, Williams 4, when mjj steps foot on campus.

MJJ along with the Weldon/Perry loser will be gone, so you’re going to end up with only 2 anyways. Wasting a schollie this year on a qb is dumb.

MJJ is very talented, but he's also very much a project. He needs a couple years to develop. He's not beating out Jarren here or Martinez at Nebraska, but he'd still be in line to have the job as a RS Soph.

So I don't get guaranteeing he would transfer. QB transfers happen most often because of 2 qbs in the same class or a younger guy beats out an older one. Whoever we take in 2019 would not be either situation

 

[skeeter]

This is what you’re too slow to understand: adding yet another qb in 2019 won’t do jack **** to increase depth. All you’re doing is adding in another future transfer while temporarily making yourself feel better. And wasting a schollie while you’re at it that could go to a dl or dB.

Like it or not, we need true separation in eligibility. MJJ or any other elite qb ain’t waiting 3 years to start- Perry and Weldon will have 3 years of eligibility, Williams 4, when mjj steps foot on campus.

MJJ along with the Weldon/Perry loser will be gone, so you’re going to end up with only 2 anyways. Wasting a schollie this year on a qb is dumb.

No I understand perfectly what you are saying and I'm saying you are wrong. You have your opinion, I have mine...and I can give mine without insulting people.

 

[orange&green84]

Logjaming another qb in for 2019 will just result in yet another transfer. That’s what you geniuses are too slow to understand.

How many of our QBs are proven? I'd rather have too many options at QB then not enough like last year.

 

[SayWhat]

You can skip QB one-year in certain situations including ours. Having said that, you better land a stud the following one. There's only so many programs who can land stud after stud yearly, we might not be there yet.

Sanders, I keep refusing to get my hopes up on him, but that's a guy I want on my team. McIntosh as a running back, I'm not all that excited.

The rest, I'm good with that.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Because transfers don't happen with QBs. Ever.

@Lexcane actually thats richts rule. Hes said numerous times that he feels we should take a qb every cycle. He said the same at uga. I wouldnt disagree about having them all so close together in class but the issue with that is not one of them at this point has shown one single thing which will make you think hes established himself as a qb we want on scholarship here. Then if ur talking about adding mjj thats adding another qb who wont be ready to play for several years at the level youd like. Meaning another year with only a possible starter distinguishing himself while the others simply blend in...

 

[Brooklyndee]

That Baldwin kid at img any good?

Ive heard kids nice. I havent been out there recently cause of work but i know staff thinks alot of him.

 

[TheMatador]

this idea that you need a qb commit every cycle is some made up CIS bs

It wasn't always. Back in the '80's we got stuck with almost no QB depth one year. I can't remember the exact circumstances, but we were so desperate we had to bring back a backup punter who still had a year of eligibility left, Kirk Sandifer. He had been a starting QB in HS and we had absolutely no one behind I think Steve Walsh and a freshman Craig Erickson. Back then, JJ said we had to recruit a QB every single year. I don't remember how it happened, but another QB we had recruited with Walsh, Bill Turkowski probably had left, we had nobody left over from the Kosar-Testaverde-Vandewende era. I can't really remember, but we didn't recruit well between this latter group and Walsh and Turkowski who came the same year. We got Greg Jones I think in '85 from Miami Edison and he was an underachiever. He transferred to WVU to sit behind Major Harris.

Schnellenberger recruited a very good class in '84 after winning the NC in the OB. I don't remember if there was a quality QB in that class.

Generally, it is a sound policy to try to get a quality QB recruit every year with starting potential. I don't remember who all our recruits were from the group we signed in '82 (Kosar/Testaverde) and maybe '86 (Walsh/Turkowski) but by the late '80's we found ourselves very, very thin. We took a kid, Joey Coles, kind of a reach. There was another south Florida kid we wanted, but I think he signed with LSU. The stacked group we have now wasn't always typical. Don't forget we had to find a Juco to back up Testaverde in '86, Geoff Torretta. He helped save an undefeated regular season when he took over for Testaverde against Colorado State after the motor scooter accident.

Things can change very quickly when you think you have a lot of depth. Kids leave, they quit football, they don't work out.....

The depth we have now is unusual given our history over the last third of a century.

 

[305407cane]

It wasn't always. Back in the '80's we got stuck with almost no QB depth one year. I can't remember the exact circumstances, but we were so desperate we had to bring back a backup punter who still had a year of eligibility left, Kirk Sandifer. He had been a starting QB in HS and we had absolutely no one behind I think Steve Walsh and a freshman Craig Erickson. Back then, JJ said we had to recruit a QB every single year. I don't remember how it happened, but another QB we had recruited with Walsh, Bill Turkowski probably had left, we had nobody left over from the Kosar-Testaverde-Vandewende era. I can't really remember, but we didn't recruit well between this latter group and Walsh and Turkowski who came the same year. We got Greg Jones I think in '85 from Miami Edison and he was an underachiever. He transferred to WVU to sit behind Major Harris.

Schnellenberger recruited a very good class in '84 after winning the NC in the OB. I don't remember if there was a quality QB in that class.

Generally, it is a sound policy to try to get a quality QB recruit every year with starting potential. I don't remember who all our recruits were from the group we signed in '82 (Kosar/Testaverde) and maybe '86 (Walsh/Turkowski) but by the late '80's we found ourselves very, very thin. We took a kid, Joey Coles, kind of a reach. There was another south Florida kid we wanted, but I think he signed with LSU. The stacked group we have now wasn't always typical. Don't forget we had to find a Juco to back up Testaverde in '86, Geoff Torretta. He helped save an undefeated regular season when he took over for Testaverde against Colorado State after the motor scooter accident.

Things can change very quickly when you think you have a lot of depth. Kids leave, they quit football, they don't work out.....

The depth we have now is unusual given our history over the last third of a century.

**** of a writeup. I agree gotta take 1 a cycle at the minimum. But don't agree with taking a scholly waster. Kid has to have the goods or have potential at least.

 

[786Cane]

Ivins on Paradise camp. He said the staff was gonna be more selective inviting only targeted recruits and uncommitables for evals.

Also said this would be the most star studded coaches.

I agree with that. I don't like the fact that we invite kids that we really don't have a chance at (pre-bagged) or that we know don't want to be Canes so they can hang out with Hall of Famers for a weekend. Be very selective about who we invite. Kids should realize that it's an honor to be at Paradise Camp and The U.
This is not your LC, RS or AG's Canes team. There's a new Sherriff in town...

 

[1953]

Tackles Neal and Tarquin and guard Eguakun would provide three top quality O-line recruits with the first two being real tackles.