Ivins new recruiting info

[OptimusCreampie]

Cam Underwood from SOTU hammered it in these folks heads

Bro that’s what it is .. there’s nothing wrong taking a year off to set up for an elite recruit .. we are in no way in place to be in a situation we were last year at qb

 

[Rellyrell]

Although it may go against conventional wisdom, if UM doesn’t get the guy they want they can afford skipping on a QB this class with 3 Freshman QB’s going into next season, 1 of which can redshirt.

If it backfires, they can quickly pivot for a stopgap because every year you have 2 to 3 quality graduate transfer as well as 3 to 4 formerly highly rated young QB’s transfering due to being buried in a depth chart.

Ummm, no. That’s not how u build a championship team. There is no “stop gap.”

Fact is, you can never skip on getting a QB. QB is thee most pivotal position on a squad. QBs get injured, they transfer, they don’t pan out....therefore, u need at least 1QB every cycle.

 

[MaxCanes]

Even Satan sees the importance of getting one every year, regardless of how average the guy looks on paper. BTW, I hadn't realized just how thin they were at qb if Hurts or Tua transferred.

Alabama flips Arkansas State QB commitment

"According to the 247Sports composite rankings, the Little Rock, Ark., native is the No. 2,182 overall player and No. 53 ranked dual-threat quarterback in the 2018 class. The Pulaski Academy standout is listed as a 3-star prospect.
In addition to his offers from Arkansas State and Alabama, Hatcher was being pursued by Eastern Illinois and Murray State."

"The addition of the 6-foot-1, 204-pound quarterback couldn’t have come at a better time. Throughout the offseason, rumors have swirled that either Tua Tagovailoa or Jalen Hurts — whichever loses the quarterback competition — could transfer."

 

[Lexcane]

Ummm, no. That’s not how u build a championship team. There is no “stop gap.”

Fact is, you can never skip on getting a QB. QB is thee most pivotal position on a squad. QBs get injured, they transfer, they don’t pan out....therefore, u need at least 1QB every cycle.

Dumb. The only thing you gain by logjamming another QB this year is one more future transfer. No team on earth carries 4 QBs separated by 2 years of eligibility. You can recruit 10 QBs in 2019 - the only thing youll end up with is 10 transfers.

 

[skeeter]

Dumb. The only thing you gain by logjamming another QB this year is one more future transfer. No team on earth carries 4 QBs separated by 2 years of eligibility. You can recruit 10 QBs in 2019 - the only thing youll end up with is 10 transfers.

Again it would be only 3 qb. The 2 that don't transfer and the new kid.

 

[Rellyrell]

Dumb. The only thing you gain by logjamming another QB this year is one more future transfer. No team on earth carries 4 QBs separated by 2 years of eligibility. You can recruit 10 QBs in 2019 - the only thing youll end up with is 10 transfers.

That’s ur opinion, and regardless of how irrational that sounds, let me ask u; if JW wins out this next year, what are the likelihood that Weldon and Perry bolts? And if they do bolt, since we decided not to get a QB for 19, who’s the back up?

 

[Rellyrell]

That’s ur opinion, and regardless of how irrational that sounds, let me ask u; if JW wins out next year, what are the likelihood that Weldon and Perry bolts? And if they do bolt, since we decided not to get a QB for 19, who’s the back up?

 

[TRick72]

Ummm, no. That’s not how u build a championship team. There is no “stop gap.”

Fact is, you can never skip on getting a QB. QB is thee most pivotal position on a squad. QBs get injured, they transfer, they don’t pan out....therefore, u need at least 1QB every cycle.

I agree it’s not ideal and like most I would’ve liked for them to go hard after another talented QB, particularly Tai. I think they land MJJ, but if they don’t whoever they bring will be a “stop gap” unless they can pull off another miraculous late flip like last year.

Also, I agree if JW wins the job it can get really ugly really fast. It’s one of the reasons I don’t believe he has a real shot at winning the job next year until there is some clarity with MJJ. Ideally, one of the other QB’s steps up and JW can redshirt.

 

[TRick72]

Even Satan sees the importance of getting one every year, regardless of how average the guy looks on paper. BTW, I hadn't realized just how thin they were at qb if Hurts or Tua transfers.

Alabama flips Arkansas State QB commitment

"According to the 247Sports composite rankings, the Little Rock, Ark., native is the No. 2,182 overall player and No. 53 ranked dual-threat quarterback in the 2018 class. The Pulaski Academy standout is listed as a 3-star prospect.
In addition to his offers from Arkansas State and Alabama, Hatcher was being pursued by Eastern Illinois and Murray State."

"The addition of the 6-foot-1, 204-pound quarterback couldn’t have come at a better time. Throughout the offseason, rumors have swirled that either Tua Tagovailoa or Jalen Hurts — whichever loses the quarterback competition — could transfer."

If you look up the definition of “stop gap” QB in the dictionary, Layne Hatcher’s picture pops up. He’s just there until Little Tua arrives.

 

[337CaneNation]

Tackles Neal and Tarquin and guard Eguakun would provide three top quality O-line recruits with the first two being real tackles.

I wonder, should Miami take any guards in Surge19'!! Miami has a serious need for true tackles, I really think this cycle should be all about Miami recruiting offensive tackles... Just my opinion

 

[Sigma_Cane_7]

Even Satan sees the importance of getting one every year, regardless of how average the guy looks on paper. BTW, I hadn't realized just how thin they were at qb if Hurts or Tua transferred.

Alabama flips Arkansas State QB commitment

"According to the 247Sports composite rankings, the Little Rock, Ark., native is the No. 2,182 overall player and No. 53 ranked dual-threat quarterback in the 2018 class. The Pulaski Academy standout is listed as a 3-star prospect.
In addition to his offers from Arkansas State and Alabama, Hatcher was being pursued by Eastern Illinois and Murray State."

"The addition of the 6-foot-1, 204-pound quarterback couldn’t have come at a better time. Throughout the offseason, rumors have swirled that either Tua Tagovailoa or Jalen Hurts — whichever loses the quarterback competition — could transfer."

Wow. He signed with Ark State already. They had to release him.

Looks like he is Bamas version of our Evan Shrieffs.

 

[337CaneNation]

Miami has to beef up the depth and we need recruit's that can contribute day 1 if possible!! Miami doesn't have the luxury as Bama to sign recruit's they know will transfer in a year or 2..

Surge19' is all about getting the best of the best, no projects..

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Just because it w

I would say it worked out okay for Alabama and they would agree, especially since they didn’t bother taking a scholarship QB this last cycle. I do agree it would be better for program if Williams redshirts.

Just because it worked out doesn't make it a desirable effect. I would say they were very lucky.
That's just wishful thinking that having only 2 1Bs is a good idea.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

For every Will Grier and Jacob Eason who actually end up starting after a transfer there are a ton of Malik Zaire, Ryan Williams, Jake Heaps, Malik Henry. Kids transfer for all kinds of reasons...and if were looking for a QB itll probably morenin the sense of looking for a body rather than a rare transfer potential stud like grier or eason.

My point exactly. Transfers only work in very specific situations. Miami doesn't need a QB transfer. We have plenty of QB talent. Let them develop and compete!!!

 

[Number1CanesFan]

I don't think Nebraska is telling him he can be the starter from day 1. They also have a couple of young guys - one who is either a true fresmen or red shirt freshmen I believe that Frost is supposedly very high on. Adrian Martinez. ironically, MJJ has said he is good friends with this kid, too. Pretty sure they rotated all in during their spring game and Martinez was the best. That being said, I haven't seen anything much about what is up with the other two guys right now.

Thanks for the info.

Lol. Are you living in some fairyland? Michael Johnson or any other elite qb isn’t gonna wait his turn. You think they’re coming here to redshirt? Jesus.

No matter what happens, we’re going to end up 1 starter and at most 1 backup from the current kids and any 2019 recruits. You can dream up any crazy scenario you want but that’s the truth. You can load up 2019 with 10 qb prospects, all you’re going get for your efforts are an equivalent number of transfers.

I don't care what you think he believes. It's doubtful he's going to beat out 3 other QBs that have been in the program for a total of 5 years. If the kid is that good, more power to him and better for us. The reality is he is more likely to redshirt.

As I pointed out in other posts, we won't lose any QBs until the end of 2019 unless one of the underclassmen beat out Rosier. If Rosier is the starter for all of 2018, Richt will have a QB competition that will continue all the way into the Fall 2019 camp. No starter will be named until a couple of weeks before the Florida game. So, all QBs would remain on the roster until the 2019 season is over.

As I stated in previous posts, If an underclassmen wins the job this year, then the transfer game begins in January 2019.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

For every Will Grier and Jacob Eason who actually end up starting after a transfer there are a ton of Malik Zaire, Ryan Williams, Jake Heaps, Malik Henry. Kids transfer for all kinds of reasons...and if were looking for a QB itll probably morenin the sense of looking for a body rather than a rare transfer potential stud like grier or eason.

Exactly. We don't need a transfer. We have plenty of talent on the roster. Let them develop and compete.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

By your logic we should be seeing at least two QBs transfer after the start is announced this year. I am surprised then that Weldon and Perry did not transfer last year then.

You need a reading lesson. These kids are not going to sit behind another freshman. I talked about separation of classes. Ie., guys that are < 2 years behind the starter are going to transfer unless the starter is a senior. Kids are going to want to be a starter for at least 2 years. Otherwise, they will transfer. Redshirting offers an additional year of separation Guys that don't transfer in that situation don't have the skills won't be a starter anywhere and stay. If Kaaya doesn't leave after his junior year, Rosier never plays at Miami.

We have 3 underclassmen that have P5 starter ability. Not saying all are starter material right now, but they will develop into P5 starter capable QBs.

 

[TemplarCane]

Why wouldn’t MJJ redshirt? Not every Top 10-15 program has a opening for starting QB. Most do not. Unless he’s a diva he has to expect competiton. As a coaches so, even more so.

 

[305407cane]

I’ve always been of the mindset that if the kid doesn’t want to compete in practice he won’t compete in a game. Hence, don’t want him wearing orange and green

 

[Combo]

I’ve always been of the mindset that if the kid doesn’t want to compete in practice he won’t compete in a game. Hence, don’t want him wearing orange and green

I pretty much agree. Portis, McGahee, and Gore all overlapping in Coral Gables. Same thing Kelly, Kosar, and Testaverde (add in Richt for a fourth future millionaire on campus at the QB spot). Winslow behind Shockey and on and on.

Some kids want that competition. Williams signed up with Perry and Weldon both in the class ahead of him. Mallory and Jordan signed up in the same class.