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Jon Richt really gonna put all his eggs in one basket...

Hopefully we are recruiting more then just the kid from Oregon
 
Sigma_Cane_7 said:
Sounds like we don’t mind taking an L at QB due to the depth we have. Sounds like a move to keep everyone from Transferring (Wade/Kosi). Could be wrong but that’s what it sounds like.

Also seems like Brown didn’t have a place in this class which made sense him committing to USCe. Don’t see how we can get Rian Davis with Dawg teeth sunk into him. We should still pursue a true MLB.

I’m sure we’d take a 3rd RB is Kenny commits and it’s sanders or Cain. But it seems like we are content.

Looks like we will take an L at WR too.

I know these are just Ivins words but once again it seems the approach to Surge 19 was to filler class between 18 and 20.
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Not taking a QB won't prevent a transfer. Between Perry, Weldon, and Williams, at least one of them is going to transfer next year. Depending on who wins the starting QB position this year or next. If starter is Perry --> Weldon transfers. If starter is Weldon --> Perry transfers. If starter is Williams --> Weldon and Perry transfer and William's would be the only QB on the roster at the end of 2018 if he wins the job this year.

A big factor is if William's redshirts. It would be better for the program if Williams redshirts. Otherwise we could wind up with an Alabama situation where all their QBs transferred after Jalen Hurts won the job as a freshman. Not getting a QB this cycle could wind up a disaster.
 
orange&green84 said:
Absolutely horrid if we punt on a QB this cycle. You need 1 every cycle.
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Absolutely retarded. This has to be the dumbest rule on earth made up by message board dopes.

No team on earth carries 4 qbs within 2 years of each other. In 2019, you’re going to have 1 sophomore and 3 freshman at qb. All you’re going to get are transfers from this retarded situation. It’s a waste of a schollie to offer a qb unless you think he’s capable of beating everyone else. Clearly Johnson is the only one this year that can.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
Not taking a QB won't prevent a transfer. Between Perry, Weldon, and Williams, at least one of them is going to transfer next year. Depending on who wins the starting QB position this year or next. If starter is Perry --> Weldon transfers. If starter is Weldon --> Perry transfers. If starter is Williams --> Weldon and Perry transfer and William's would be the only QB on the roster at the end of 2018 if he wins the job this year.

A big factor is if William's redshirts. It would be better for the program if Williams redshirts. Otherwise we could wind up with an Alabama situation where all their QBs transferred after Jalen Hurts won the job as a freshman. Not getting a QB this cycle could wind up a disaster.
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Getting a qb this year won’t change the situation. All you’re going to get are two transfers instead of one. Why does logic 101 not exist on a nessage board?
 
TheSwagger1 said:
We can "punt" on QB when we have a kid who convincingly beats our Malik freakin Rosier. Stack em and let the losers transfer.
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We have 3 kids that can. Adding another just adds another transfer to the list, wasting another schollie that could be better used on the dl or at db. No team on earth carries 2 sophomores and 2 freshmen. All you’re doing is adding 2 transfers instead of one to make yourself feel better about qb depth temporarily.
 
CFLCane said:
40%+ of P5 QBs transfer at least once...the market is robust
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Yeah, but they are not going to transfer to a school to be somebody's backup. Otherwise, they'd just stay put. Grad transfer is out, unless there is a real opportunity to be the starter. It only works when the guy transferring lines up to become the starter after he sits out a year. Take Jacob Eason for example, When he lost his starting job at Georgia, I called out his transfer to Washington several months before it happened. He's from Washington. Jake Browning is a senior. Eason will will step in as the starting QB in 2019 after sitting out the 2018 season and have 2 years of eligibility left. This is the type of situation where a QB transfer works and makes sense.
 
Not sure why you are counting all our current QBs for a redshirt year but not anyone we might get this year?

Would have to imagine that it is less likely for someone to transfer if someone older than them on the roster wins the job rather than someone in their same class or younger than them wins. The younger guy can feel that the difference was their experience and that once they learn the play book and how to play in college they can have a chance to overtake the current start or the current start will leave and they still get a year or two of starting.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
Not taking a QB won't prevent a transfer. Between Perry, Weldon, and Williams, at least one of them is going to transfer next year. Depending on who wins the starting QB position this year or next. If starter is Perry --> Weldon transfers. If starter is Weldon --> Perry transfers. If starter is Williams --> Weldon and Perry transfer and William's would be the only QB on the roster at the end of 2018 if he wins the job this year.

A big factor is if William's redshirts. It would be better for the program if Williams redshirts. Otherwise we could wind up with an Alabama situation where all their QBs transferred after Jalen Hurts won the job as a freshman. Not getting a QB this cycle could wind up a disaster.
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Taking a qb this year wont help qb depth at all genius. All you’re doing is adding another transfer to the list. It might make you feel better temporarily but all you’re going to end up with is two transfers instead of one.
 
Baby Richt's top recruiting priority may end up convincing one of the QB's on roster not to transfer.

Otherwise, it's absolutely dumb to punt on a QB this cycle.
 
Lexcane said:
Getting a qb this year won’t change the situation. All you’re going to get are two transfers instead of one. Why does logic 101 not exist on a nessage board?
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Not true. You get a QB this year and redshirt him. Then he's a backup his redshirt freshman year. Your going to need that kid when the other QBs transfer.
That buys you 2 years. He now has enough separation in years (RS Fresh vs Junior or Senior) from the starter (Perry, Weldon, or Williams) Where he won't want to transfer and has had the time to develop to be the starter when it's his time.
 
Lexcane said:
Taking a qb this year wont help qb depth at all genius. All you’re doing is adding another transfer to the list. It might make you feel better temporarily but all you’re going to end up with is two transfers instead of one.
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Not true. You get a QB this year and redshirt him. Then he's a backup his redshirt freshman year. Your going to need that kid when the other QBs transfer.
That buys you 2 years. He now has enough separation in years (RS Fresh vs Junior or Senior) from the starter (Perry, Weldon, or Williams) Where he won't want to transfer and has had the time to develop to be the starter when it's his time.

This will happen with MJJ if he's a Cane. I worry that he goes to Nebraska because they just graduated their starting QB, have a new coach and system where I'm sure he's being told he can be the starter from day one.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
Not true. You get a QB this year and redshirt him. Then he's a backup his redsgirt freshman year. Your going to need that kid when the other QBs transfer.
That buys you 2 years. He now has enough separation in years (RS Fresh vs Junior or Senior) from the starter (Perry, Weldon, or Williams) Where he won't want to transfer and has had the time to develop to be the starter when it's his time.
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Lol. Are you living in some fairyland? Michael Johnson or any other elite qb isn’t gonna wait his turn. You think they’re coming here to redshirt? Jesus.

No matter what happens, we’re going to end up 1 starter and at most 1 backup from the current kids and any 2019 recruits. You can dream up any crazy scenario you want but that’s the truth. You can load up 2019 with 10 qb prospects, all you’re going get for your efforts are an equivalent number of transfers.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
Not true. You get a QB this year and redshirt him. Then he's a backup his redshirt freshman year. Your going to need that kid when the other QBs transfer.
That buys you 2 years. He now has enough separation in years (RS Fresh vs Junior or Senior) from the starter (Perry, Weldon, or Williams) Where he won't want to transfer and has had the time to develop to be the starter when it's his time.

This will happen with MJJ if he's a Cane. I worry that he goes to Nebraska because they just graduated their starting QB, have a new coach and system where I'm sure he's being told he can be the starter from day one.
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I don't think Nebraska is telling him he can be the starter from day 1. They also have a couple of young guys - one who is either a true fresmen or red shirt freshmen I believe that Frost is supposedly very high on. Adrian Martinez. ironically, MJJ has said he is good friends with this kid, too. Pretty sure they rotated all in during their spring game and Martinez was the best. That being said, I haven't seen anything much about what is up with the other two guys right now.
 
Lexcane said:
Lol. Are you living in some fairyland? Michael Johnson or any other elite qb isn’t gonna wait his turn. You think they’re coming here to redshirt? Jesus.

No matter what happens, we’re going to end up 1 starter and at most 1 backup from the current kids and any 2019 recruits. You can dream up any crazy scenario you want but that’s the truth. You can load up 2019 with 10 qb prospects, all you’re going get for your efforts are an equivalent number of transfers.
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By your logic we should be seeing at least two QBs transfer after the start is announced this year. I am surprised then that Weldon and Perry did not transfer last year then.
 
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On another recruit - Chris Steele was offered by Clemson and Auburn yesterday. I was reading some articles on another board and ended up on the Clemson board - apparently he was really looking for that Clemson offer. (I know - according to them) The write up also said that there is the belief now that he will NOT be making his decision on July 7th but waiting until the Army all star game in January. Supposedly the reporter was told his mom wants him to wait and not do it in July. Guess we will see. I hope he keeps the UM visit.
 
PanteraCanes said:
By your logic we should be seeing at least two QBs transfer after the start is announced this year. I am surprised then that Weldon and Perry did not transfer last year then.
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Lol one of them will when the other gets beat out to replace Rosier.

Then we’ll end up with 2. Taking Johnson this year guarantees just another transfer. Johnson won’t sit behind the other 2 for 3 years he’ll transfer out, and if Johnson wins the starting spot you can say goodbye to at least 1 of the 2.

No matter what happens, you end up with two.
 
CFLCane said:
40%+ of P5 QBs transfer at least once...the market is robust
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That's fine as a blanket statement, and I'm going to take your stat at face value and assume it is accurate. But, just because there is a robust sheer number of QB's looking to transfer, in general on an average year, doesn't mean there is one out there right now who could come in and take this team to another level this year and also not destroy the chemistry and foundation that CMR is building. A robust market does not necessarily mean that we need to take one, nor does it mean that what we need is available to us.
 
Lexcane said:
We have 3 kids that can. Adding another just adds another transfer to the list, wasting another schollie that could be better used on the dl or at db. No team on earth carries 2 sophomores and 2 freshmen. All you’re doing is adding 2 transfers instead of one to make yourself feel better about qb depth temporarily.
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Did the NCAA put a cap on transfers or ???

I haven't heard that.

Stack competition, let the best stay and losers leave. I don't give a **** about depth, I'm looking for our next starter. We don't have anyone on the roster that's a lock to be the guy.
 
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