Finally Admit Lanning > Mario

[Hoyacane1620]

We’re better now than when Mario was hired. No question about it. The question is can he build a long term successful program. He has yet to prove that and that is the question he will need to answer. That starts now assuming we don’t make the playoff. First item on the list of things to address is the defensive staff starting with DC. Signing day then portal. Mario has proved his initial worth now let’s see the long term build and if he is capable of that task. Hardest task to accomplish in college football and not many have.

I truly hope whoever the DC is going forward brings in his own guys that can coach and help put a game plan together for each opponent that uses the best attributes of the players in their room. It's never felt like any of those things were working particularly well this season.

After watching another entire weekend of football, it's frustrating to see how easy it looks on other teams. SMU, in particular, really had some great adjustments and their players dug deep and rose to the occasion.

 

[TaylorWalls]

He played at WSU last year lol

Manny averaged 7-5 here. Golden and Shannon weren't much worse. That's the baseline.

You add a superhuman rental to that, vs our schedule, and of course we're going to win 10 games. Mario added no value above what coaches like Manny would do.

Yes, he played for a mediocre team with mediocre talent, and he went 5-7. You claimed that we are also a mediocre program. So why could he make one mediocre team a playoff contender but not the other one?

 

[nycane]

I like lanning. He won’t be at Oregon long term. He also makes blunders and can be reckless. Refs bailed him out against wisky and psu. However them Oregon boys are fast. We need that speed

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

If you think Oregon and Miami’s situation are the same and they started at the same place there is nothing can be said because you aren’t logical and don’t want the truth.

Oregon has over a 70% win pct over the last 2 decades.

Oregon has elite facilities and single NIL spender who can/will and does outspend all of Miami nil efforts combined.

Oregon’s core roster was definitely better than Miamis 3 years ago.

Miami has above average facilities.
Miami has a strong NIL program but is far for the richest.

Miami has been a dumpster fire for 2 decades and have a slightly higher than .500 win %


But yeah sure Dan Lanning’s situation sucked.

THIS ^^^^

Lanning walked into a dream situation at Oregon and he all the support and resources in the world to make it better.

Mario took over a second-rate program that had been in the toilet for two decades.

I love how so many just whine about this guy, as if any coach with any merit was kicking down the door to come here since Butch Davis left.

Miami couldn't even reel in Greg Schiano from Rutgers back in 2007 and other finalists in the Golden era were Mark Trestman and Randy Edsall.

Ended up with a watered-down Mark Richt in 2016 and the settled on Manny Diaz in 2019 ... yet our fans cry about Mario.

Give the University of Miami a Phil Knight and that endless supply of cash and world class facilities and then let's compare apples to apples with Lanning and Cristobal.


When this team was 9-0 not one gripe about game day coaching; went for big fourth downs and unorthodox two point conversions all season, making all the right calls in epic comebacks, solid running game and a Heisman-worthy quarterback turned loose—ignoring obvious signs this defense would eventually do Miami in, blinded by victory against Virginia Tech, Cal, Louisville and Duke.

All that nonsense about a field goal on 4th-and-Goal from the ten-yard line, as if the bigger story wasn't getting outscored 41-14 the previous two-plus quarters before that; Guidry living and dying by man instead of zone and that brutal scoop and score with Restrepo that was the final dagger and a 14-point swing as Miami was driving.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

Yes, he played for a mediocre team with mediocre talent, and he went 5-7. You claimed that we are also a mediocre program. So why could he make one mediocre team a playoff contender but not the other one?

There's no way you believe the nonsense you're saying lol. Miami and WSU are not (and should not be) at the same level.

BTW, by your logic, Cam Ward held WSU back last year! Lol. They went 8-4 this season.

Take Ward off of our roster and we win 6 games this season. There's no progress.

 

[HurricanePhilly]

Mario aside moving forward anything less than a Big10 champ game/playoff/top 5 recruiting class turns Lanning into a bum right?

Top notch facilities, major financial backing…prob top 3, 2-3 top recruiting classes in a row, etc. so anything less and he isn’t a good coach. I don’t set the standards I’m just told by CIS.

 

[TaylorWalls]

There's no way you believe the nonsense you're saying lol. Miami and WSU are not (and should not be) at the same level.

BTW, by your logic, Cam Ward held WSU back last year! Lol. They went 8-4 this season.

Take Ward off of our roster and we win 6 games this season. There's no progress.

Washington State is a 6/7/8 win program. Quit acting like they are Kent State. Why is it so hard to admit that we have a pretty good infrastructure and a really good QB made us a playoff contender? Like, why are you so angry that you can’t admit that?

 

[PlanoCane]

This popped up in my fb memories today View attachment 313057

Is this April fools already. What is clock awareness or halftime adj. #1 Offense and no playoffs or challenge for the ACC. Get rid of the alum establishment buddy system.22yrs and nothing to show.

 

[Canedude08]

There's no way you believe the nonsense you're saying lol. Miami and WSU are not (and should not be) at the same level.

BTW, by your logic, Cam Ward held WSU back last year! Lol. They went 8-4 this season.

Take Ward off of our roster and we win 6 games this season. There's no progress.

You can also argue that Cam's ill advised turnovers helped keep opposing teams in games. His penchant for hero ball may have made games a little closer than they should have been. One can also argue that him not taking checkdowns may have cost Miami the GT game, because GT was begging Miami to grind it out, and Cam didn't have any interest in doing so.

By the way, seeing that we are playing hypotheticals, Miami was a COMPETENT QB away from 9-10 wins last year, but you don't want to talk about that. Miami was hamstrung by a upperclass QB that one could credibly argue was throwing games on purpose, because there's no other way to explain his awful play. It's amazing how the hypotheticals only matter when you want to complain, it's never made in the other direction.

Don't get me wrong, I'm disgusted that Miami wasted the best QB the school has had since Vinny Testaverde(I'm talking about talent, Dorsey, Walsh and Torretta weren't close to this level of pure talent), but I can also see the growth in the program from when Mario started. Work remains to be done, and we've seen how Mario has addressed shortcomings on the sidelines, so I feel confident that he will do something in regards to Guidry.

 

[Rellyrell]

THIS ^^^^

Lanning walked into a dream situation at Oregon and he all the support and resources in the world to make it better.

Mario took over a second-rate program that had been in the toilet for two decades.

I love how so many just whine about this guy, as if any coach with any merit was kicking down the door to come here since Butch Davis left.

Miami couldn't even reel in Greg Schiano from Rutgers back in 2007 and other finalists in the Golden era were Mark Trestman and Randy Edsall.

Ended up with a watered-down Mark Richt in 2016 and the settled on Manny Diaz in 2019 ... yet our fans cry about Mario.

Give the University of Miami a Phil Knight and that endless supply of cash and world class facilities and then let's compare apples to apples with Lanning and Cristobal.


When this team was 9-0 not one gripe about game day coaching; went for big fourth downs and unorthodox two point conversions all season, making all the right calls in epic comebacks, solid running game and a Heisman-worthy quarterback turned loose—ignoring obvious signs this defense would eventually do Miami in, blinded by victory against Virginia Tech, Cal, Louisville and Duke.

All that nonsense about a field goal on 4th-and-Goal from the ten-yard line, as if the bigger story wasn't getting outscored 41-14 the previous two-plus quarters before that; Guidry living and dying by man instead of zone and that brutal scoop and score with Restrepo that was the final dagger and a 14-point swing as Miami was driving.

I usually fck w/ u, but this is such bull **** propaganda.

The narrative around Miami has been “cheap.” The narrative around Miami has been recruiting at a Top 15 level, but hiring coaches at bottom 15 level. Inept hire after inept hire. The school hired its first real coach in forever in Mark Richt, a Mark Richt battling health problems & the **** immediately took a team that had gone 36-27 in 5 yrs under Golden/Scott, & immediately went 20-7 in his 1st 2 yrs b4 the QB room ultimately led to the 2018 season’s demise.

Then another lazy, inept hire was made in Manny Diaz, & the narrative around the 2021 team was there was no semblance, cohesion from w/in the program, & if Miami had a real HC, that was a 10+ win team. WHICH IS WHY THE SCHOOL FINALLY GOT OFF ITS *** & PONIED UP MONEY ACROSS THE BOARD FROM AD, TO GM, TO INVESTING IN NIL, TO A HC.

We have been the poster child of paying for players, bragging, & flaunting about it. We were called The Bag School, & we marveled in it. So let’s not change the narrative now. Mario had Phil’s $$ in UO when UO played in the PAC-12 at its weakest point, yet Mario still found ways to lose to subpar teams every year derailing UO’s hopes of being a Final 4 team despite having an even bigger talent discrepancy than he has now in the ACC.

So let’s call a spade a spade & stop looking for these straw man arguments. I was on record defending Mario through thick & thin in 2022, making up all kind of bull **** reasoning to justify 5-7, but 2023 was more of the same head scratching bull ****. That off season, I began to do further research & I came away appalled, realizing that Mario not only bleeds through recruits, but the same befuddled looks he had here when **** gets tight was on full display at Oregon.

Coker didn’t have the admin’s support like this.

Shannon fa sho didn’t have the admin’s support like this as they told him to stfu as he expressed concerns about Nevin.

Golden tried to parlay a 9-4 season into a bigger contract & it failed.

Richt had to use his own **** $$ to get the administration to start moving on stepping into the 21st Century of CFB

Diaz was in an open back & forth w/ the AD as they were throwing each other under the bus.

Mario Manuel Cristobal is thee only coach to have the full support from top to bottom both in financial & commitment to his vision, & he’s still found a way to smoke the EASIEST opportunity to make the CFP. Here’s a fun fact:

Not only is the 1st time in modern history that the Miami Hurricanes haven’t faced one top 25 team at time of matchup, but out of the CFP top 25, we’re the only team not to face at least one Top 25 team all season at time of match up. So I don’t wanna hear what Lanning has v. Mario. One guy has coached for exactly 3 yrs, while the other has been a coach for 13 yrs.

 

[IbzRlz]

I do believe Lanning is the better coach but by much? Idk. Want to see how they handle Penn St and then an 8th seeded SEC team most likely in the playoff. Barely beat an overrated Ohio State team at home (Mario beat them at Columbus), struggled against Boise State and Wisky.

Mario probably doesn’t win those but I’m holding off on putting him in the Kirby, Saban, Prime Dabo tier

Mario beat OSU what 4 or 5 years ago and you're comparing him beating them to this year's Oregon-OSU game?

 

[ALLoverCANE]

You can also argue that Cam's ill advised turnovers helped keep opposing teams in games. His penchant for hero ball may have made games a little closer than they should have been. One can also argue that him not taking checkdowns may have cost Miami the GT game, because GT was begging Miami to grind it out, and Cam didn't have any interest in doing so.

By the way, seeing that we are playing hypotheticals, Miami was a COMPETENT QB away from 9-10 wins last year, but you don't want to talk about that. Miami was hamstrung by a upperclass QB that one could credibly argue was throwing games on purpose, because there's no other way to explain his awful play. It's amazing how the hypotheticals only matter when you want to complain, it's never made in the other direction.

Don't get me wrong, I'm disgusted that Miami wasted the best QB the school has had since Vinny Testaverde(I'm talking about talent, Dorsey, Walsh and Torretta weren't close to this level of pure talent), but I can also see the growth in the program from when Mario started. Work remains to be done, and we've seen how Mario has addressed shortcomings on the sidelines, so I feel confident that he will do something in regards to Guidry.

There has been minimal growth, and given the investments made, you can argue the ROI has been negative.

In year 3, we just fielded one of our worst defenses in program history. That's half of football! The offense was obviously incredible, but a lot of that was due to Ward.

 

[Tonio]

Mario beat OSU what 4 or 5 years ago and you're comparing him beating them to this year's Oregon-OSU game?

Are we not comparing the two? I did say Lanning is probably the better coach because this year they have won the close games, but up until yesterday Lanning's only big win was at home vs Ohio State. Mario played a much more talented OSU team in Columbus with Anthony Brown as his QB, so as far as impressive wins go I'd say they were pretty much equal up until yesterday no?

 

[TaylorWalls]

Mario beat OSU what 4 or 5 years ago and you're comparing him beating them to this year's Oregon-OSU game?

Mario beat Ohio State in 2021 when they finished 11-2 and #6. Any word on how they were this year?

 

[IbzRlz]

Are we not comparing the two? I did say Lanning is probably the better coach because this year they have won the close games, but up until yesterday Lanning's only big win was at home vs Ohio State. Mario played a much more talented OSU team in Columbus with Anthony Brown as his QB, so as far as impressive wins go I'd say they were pretty much equal up until yesterday no?

Sure, if you want to bring up games from 4-5 years ago, how about the massive blowouts in year 1 vs MTSU, Duke, FSU, Pitt and Clemson. Or how about the 2 blowouts vs Utah when he was at Oregon. Maybe losing not 1 but 2 games when he failed to take a knee...last year against GT and once at Oregon. Mario has never gone undefeated, and Lanning just did it in his 3rd season in the toughest conference in the country

 

[IbzRlz]

Mario beat Ohio State in 2021 when they finished 11-2 and #6. Any word on how they were this year?

My bad, it was only 3 years ago. Has Mario ever finished a season undefeated? NO. Lanning just went undefeated and won the Big10 championship in his 3rd year as a HC. Mario has been boat raced vs MTSU, Duke, FSU, Clemson, Pitt in his 1st year here, blew a game vs GT when he failed to take a knee which is something he also did at Oregon. Got it, you're happy with Mario, whereas I prefer a coach that produces results.

 

[Tonio]

Sure, if you want to bring up games from 4-5 years ago, how about the massive blowouts in year 1 vs MTSU, Duke, FSU, Pitt and Clemson. Or how about the 2 blowouts vs Utah when he was at Oregon. Maybe losing not 1 but 2 games when he failed to take a knee...last year against GT and once at Oregon. Mario has never gone undefeated, and Lanning just did it in his 3rd season in the toughest conference in the country

Not sure if you have issues with reading comprehension, but I just stated Lanning is better because he wins the close games aka he did not lose the dumb ones this year?...But his win vs OSU is not any more impressive than Mario's OSU win. Until yesterday that OSU win was his only quality win?

Toughest conference in the country? Indiana, #2 in the conference, only played two teams who finished with a record over .500 and they went 1-1.

 

[TaylorWalls]

My bad, it was only 3 years ago. Has Mario ever finished a season undefeated? NO. Lanning just went undefeated and won the Big10 championship in his 3rd year as a HC. Mario has been boat raced vs MTSU, Duke, FSU, Clemson, Pitt in his 1st year here, blew a game vs GT when he failed to take a knee which is something he also did at Oregon. Got it, you're happy with Mario, whereas I prefer a coach that produces results.

That’s quite a rant just to admit that you were wrong.

You love Dan Lanning. Great. Now what? Fire Mario and make an offer to Lanning? What’s the end game here?

 

[IbzRlz]

Not sure if you have issues with reading comprehension, but I just stated Lanning is better because he wins the close games aka he did not lose the dumb ones this year?...But his win vs OSU is not any more impressive than Mario's OSU win. Until yesterday that OSU win was his only quality win?

Toughest conference in the country? Indiana, #2 in the conference, only played two teams who finished with a record over .500 and they went 1-1.

Really, you're going to say Indiana is #2 in the conference? If they were #2, why didn't they play in the conference championship game? And yes, the BIG10 was the toughest conference...they have 4 teams in the playoff

Dude has been a head coach for 3 years and accomplished something Mario has NEVER accomplished...going undefeated. Apparently, the Boise St win, albeit by 3 points, isn't a quality win when they're also in the CFP? I guess rally from 25 down to beat a crappy Cal team and blowing a 21-point lead against Syracuse are more impressive? Lanning has beaten Boise St, OSU and PSU this season and all 3 teams are in the playoffs.

 

[IbzRlz]

That’s quite a rant just to admit that you were wrong.

You love Dan Lanning. Great. Now what? Fire Mario and make an offer to Lanning? What’s the end game here?

Facts aren't a rant and I'm clearly not wrong as Oregon and Lanning are undefeated and going to the CFP while Mario is limping into the Pop-Tarts Bowl.