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Not going to get into who left what to whom or who is the better coach ( I think it’s Lanning hands down) but I’d really like to know how much this class this year cost UO from paying visitors to the eventual cost of landing the class….im only guessing but just doing a little quick math it gas to make OSU supposed 20million dollar class look like chump change.

Phil Knight said he was going to do whatever was necessary to bring a NC to Oregon before he retired in the next couple years and it looks like he’s a man of his word.
 
Angry Ibis said:
And this is an understatement. Short of winning it all this year, they want his head.
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Brother, people think I'm a demon. If we had won the ACC and lost in the peach bowl, I would have been ecstatic and sang Mario’s praises. I wanted him hired. I never said we had to win the Natty this year but we should have had SOMETHING to show for this season. If Miami had gone 66-10 over the last six years with Ryan Day's success, I would be the one saying people being negative are crazy and delusional. Ohio State fans are crazy and delusional. You want to know what suffering is, Miami football for the past two decades. Watching various coaches that cannot seem to get the job done not matter the circumstances, no matter the highly rated recruiting classes, no matter the transfer portal, no matter the resources. THIS is frustrating.
 
mavericksouth said:
Brother, people think I'm a demon. If we had won the ACC and lost in the peach bowl, I would have been ecstatic and sang Mario’s praises. I wanted him hired. I never said we had to win the Natty this year but we should have had SOMETHING to show for this season. If Miami had gone 66-10 over the last six years with Ryan Day's success, I would be the one saying people being negative are crazy and delusional. Ohio State fans are crazy and delusional. You want to know what suffering is, Miami football for the past two decades. Watching various coaches that cannot seem to get the job done not matter the circumstances, no matter the highly rated recruiting classes, no matter the transfer portal, no matter the resources. THIS is frustrating.
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I was with an OSU fan this week. We knew he would be unhappy. He was unhinged a year ago. So this week we joked a bit, but left it alone. He is not a ball buster, just very intense and blind by OSU fandom rage living in the motherland up there. If they were out of the playoff, he would have been spitting fire, but it is win or bust for Ryan Day in the minds right now.
 
Angry Ibis said:
I was with an OSU fan this week. We knew he would be unhappy. He was unhinged a year ago. So this week we joked a bit, but left it alone. He is not a ball buster, just very intense and blind by OSU fandom rage living in the motherland up there. If they were out of the playoff, he would have been spitting fire, but it is win or bust for Ryan Day in the minds right now.
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That's wild. Here I am just wanting to get to the ACC championship game and being told I can't see "progress" and I'm being "too negative." Different standards clearly.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
But Mario is not. And he is only a recruiter.

Others outlined additional NFL roster players.
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Because he had to clean up the whole team! He didn’t have the luxury of signing perfectly symmetrical classes because of how much he had to fix. This is probably the last year of having to focus on specific groups to try and get them right.

The classes will become more even because the talent overall has been upgraded.
 
423Hurricane said:
Fact of the matter is without Mario, I seriously doubt we see the investment the university has made since he came on board. It’s been well documented that Mario told the Columbus Cartel he wouldn’t come to Miami without that commitment.

I also believe that Mario inherited a bigger mess than Lanning. UO had been fairly successful - regardless of the Taggert fiasco - even before Mario got there. Also had money bags Knight’s backing for several years.

So far, Mario’s results at Miami are mixed at best. We all know it was an uphill climb given ALL the past ineptitude that has been discussed incessantly. Mario definitely has his faults that have also been discussed incessantly. No doubt there have been coaches -Elko, Cignetti etc. - that have been successful right away but I still think comparing Mario and them is apples and oranges.

Time will certainly tell if Mario can get things going in the right direction and SUSTAIN it.
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Why is it that the coach with the highest salary and most resources dedicated in the history of UM seemingly being given the longest leash and hand holding by some fans and admin? That is the part i do not understand.

Folks are saying that comparing Mario's tenure at Miami to examples such as Elko at Tx A&M and Cignetti at Indiana are apples and oranges? Why? What makes that the case? Elko in his first year at Duke got them to 9 wins. They slipped a bit last year, winning only 7, but that is still pretty **** good for Duke f***ng football. In his first year at Tx A&M Elko has a chance to finish the season with 9 wins, matching the highest win total during Jimbo Fisher's entire time with the Aggies.

As for Cignetti, what he has done for Indiana is nothing short of miraculous. Indiana football has existed for 126 years and this is the first time EVER that the program has had an 11 win season. They literally went from B10 after thought program to top of the conference. He didn't need a "culture change", didn't need a "rebuilding process" to "get his guys in/completely flip the roster" and all the other excuses folks have made for MC. He just came in and coached his a** off. Because of his success, Indiana has upped his salary to $8M/year and promised a larger investment into the football program and facilities, including higher salaries for assistants and coordinators. It's not likely that he wins 11 games next year, but you have to admit he did a **** good job for a team that was picked to finish 17th in the big ten. Anyone trying to detract from his accomplishment is just hating. Even if Indiana only wins 7 or 8 games next season it would be the greatest 2 year run in the history of the program. People in this thread have said have stated Indiana's season to be a fluke (possible) and that they would rather have the long term success Mario is supposedly building than win 11 games this year and go back to being a basement dweller. 1, there's no guarantee Mario will build and sustain long term success here (depending on how you define success) and 2, folks are hoping that a team like Indiana falls next year because any continued success of Cignetti and the program, just further highlights Mario's under-achievements as a coach here and that the school has not exactly seen the return on investment.
 
423Hurricane said:
Fact of the matter is without Mario, I seriously doubt we see the investment the university has made since he came on board. It’s been well documented that Mario told the Columbus Cartel he wouldn’t come to Miami without that commitment.

I also believe that Mario inherited a bigger mess than Lanning. UO had been fairly successful - regardless of the Taggert fiasco - even before Mario got there. Also had money bags Knight’s backing for several years.

So far, Mario’s results at Miami are mixed at best. We all know it was an uphill climb given ALL the past ineptitude that has been discussed incessantly. Mario definitely has his faults that have also been discussed incessantly. No doubt there have been coaches -Elko, Cignetti etc. - that have been successful right away but I still think comparing Mario and them is apples and oranges.

Time will certainly tell if Mario can get things going in the right direction and SUSTAIN it.
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If Mario leaves here with a loaded roster and great locker room culture and someone like a Lanning comes in and takes us over the goal line, it will have been worth it. The thing is that I'm afraid that's what it will take. We'll see.
 
JD08 said:
If Mario leaves here with a loaded roster and great locker room culture and someone like a Lanning comes in and takes us over the goal line, it will have been worth it. The thing is that I'm afraid that's what it will take. We'll see.
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Unless Mario completely ***** the bed, we can look forward to at least another 7 years of him stalking the sidelines.


“sarcasm”
 
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AtrainCane said:
Because he had to clean up the whole team! He didn’t have the luxury of signing perfectly symmetrical classes because of how much he had to fix. This is probably the last year of having to focus on specific groups to try and get them right.

The classes will become more even because the talent overall has been upgraded.
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TaylorWalls said:
Sure. If it is Cam Ward and only Cam Ward, why did Cam Ward's team go 5-7 the year before? Since, you know, he wins games by himself.
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because they had to play Oregon, Wash, arizona, USC, The utah team Mario could never beat, with an overmatched roster. I didn't say he wins games by himself but he was def 100% the difference between 7 wins last year and 10 wins this year. That's easy. You should ask yourself why was mario .500 before Cam came in
 
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Fort_Lauderdale954 said:
because they had to play Oregon, Wash, arizona, USC, The utah team Mario could never beat, with an overmatched roster. I didn't say he wins games by himself but he was def 100% the difference between 7 wins last year and 10 wins this year. That's easy. You should ask yourself why was mario .500 before Cam came in
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They had a schedule ranked in the 90's last year. They scored 7 points against Stanford. 6 against Arizona. Miami won 10 games because of more than just Cam Ward.

Mario was .500 before Cam Ward came in because he had worse players on those teams. Was that a real question? This will shock you, but literally every coach in the country wins more games when they have better players.
 
TaylorWalls said:
They had a schedule ranked in the 90's last year. They scored 7 points against Stanford. 6 against Arizona. Miami won 10 games because of more than just Cam Ward.

Mario was .500 before Cam Ward came in because he had worse players on those teams. Was that a real question? This will shock you, but literally every coach in the country wins more games when they have better players.
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Ward is an excellent QB ... and he was an excellent QB at his prior school ... but didn't have the success there due to NOT being surrounded by a high quality support cast (OL, WR, RB, TE's). Mario put together the roster that produced the #1 ranked offense in the country in 2024 ... if he had done half as well in stocking the defensive roster (and staff) UM would be playing in the CFP. Very disappointing melt down .... but predictable given the defensive staff lack of development and in game adjustments (maddening). Let's see how Mario reacts.
 
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Rickd said:
Ward is an excellent QB ... and he was an excellent QB at his prior school ... but didn't have the success there due to NOT being surrounded by a high quality support cast (OL, WR, RB, TE's). Mario put together the roster that produced the #1 ranked offense in the country in 2024 ... if he had done half as well in stocking the defensive roster (and staff) UM would be playing in the CFP. Very disappointing melt down .... but predictable given the defensive staff lack of development and in game adjustments (maddening). Let's see how Mario reacts.
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This is why people are increasingly irked:
- No in game adjustments on D, just attitude and excuses.
- Predictable: week in and week out
- Predictable: overrated when it comes to development
- Predictable: the roster was in dire need of defensive help for more than one cycle
- Predictable: Mario loses at least 1 to 2 games a year against lesser squads

Mario should have already had reactions to these known issue, but let us see how he reacts this time.
 
Angry Ibis said:
This is why people are increasingly irked:
- No in game adjustments on D, just attitude and excuses.
- Predictable: week in and week out
- Predictable: overrated when it comes to development
- Predictable: the roster was in dire need of defensive help for more than one cycle
- Predictable: Mario loses at least 1 to 2 games a year against lesser squads

Mario should have already had reactions to these known issue, but let us see how he reacts this time.
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Add to that Mario pacing the sidelines with that deer in the headlights look ... time outs at critical moments and HE isn't even participating in the discussions.
 
Rickd said:
Add to that Mario pacing the sidelines with that deer in the headlights look ... time outs at critical moments and HE isn't even participating in the discussions.
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When the camera panned over to him as the clock hit zero's last Saturday all I could do was laugh. (was that or cry) Dude looked like he **** his pants 🤣
 
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