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AtrainCane said:
No they don’t. We’re not trying Tone a team that gets to the CFP this years and not for the next 5. We’re trying to be a team that’s in it every year. Would you like to bet those teams won’t make it back anytime soon?
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This right here. Those teams will not repeat the success they’ve had this year. They don’t recruit to do that (some would say we don’t either). But they’re definitely not in that conversation.

Imagine this fan base if Mario could only reach the playoffs once every five years and finish with 6-8 wins the other years? I don’t think he would even last five years here.
 
JD08 said:
But that's exactly it. You're only as good as your record. Lanning can never get a fair comparison as Mario left him a better roster and locker room culture than he inherited here.

Now comparing the actual game time decisions, it's impossible to say that Mario is even close to Lanning.
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I love u bro; we chat on the side from time to time, so I apologize I must do this.

When I post long, analytical post, it’s to show the board complete context. I tend to do this w/ LBJ fans who look at raw stats w/ zero context, back ground, eras, etc to make claims he’s The GOAT, & once full context is provided, many stay stuck, but even if 1 says “****, I didn’t know that”, then I’ve done my job.

So let’s hop in a Time Machine, & let’s compare Mario’s tenure at UO vs. Lanning, & address this ugly rumor of what Mario inherited vs Lanning:

-2018-21 (Mario’s tenure at UO & his competition):
Utah: 33-14 (.702)
UW: 25-18 (.581)
WASU: 25-18 (.581)
ASU: 25-18 (.581)
USC: 22-21 (.512)
Cal: 21-21 (.500)
Stanford: 20-23 (.465)
Colorado: 18-24 (.429)
UCLA: 18-25 (.419)
Oregon St: 16-28 (.364)
Arizona: 10-31 (.244)

Conference win%: .489
Teams: .500+: 6
Teams: .600+: 1
Teams: .700+: 1
Teams .800+: N/A

-2022-2023 (Lanning’s tenure at UO in The PAC-12):
UW: 25-3 (.893)
USC: 19-8 (.701)
Oregon St: 18-8 (.692)
Utah: 18-9 (.667)
UCLA: 17-9 (.654)
Arizona: 15-10 (.600)
WASU: 12-13 (.480)
Cal: 10-15 (.400)
Stanford: 6-18 (.250)
Colorado: 5-19 (.208)
ASU: 4-18 (.167)

Conference win%: .519
Teams .500+: 6
Teams .600+: 6
Teams .700+: 2
Teams .800+: 1
Teams .900+: N/A

Oregon’s record under Mario playing a sub. 500 PAC-12 schedule: 35-13 (.729)

Oregon’s record under Lanning playing a +.500 PAC-12 schedule: 22-5 (.815)

In 2022, Lanning had to replace QB1, both RBs, the secondary, & several along the DL. Yes, some of Mario’s players were still on the team, but the key positions & production had to be replaced. By 2023, the team had flipped via the portal & Lanning’s 2022 class, while a ton of Mario’s players either leaving due to the portal, NFL or by running out of eligibility, Now by 2024 there’s very, VERY few remaining players from Mario’s tenure, w/ only Baby Herbert, Bassa, & Ferguson as key contributors.

What’s interesting about Mario inheriting the 7-5 Canes team, is that narrative shifted immediately after Mario’s 5-7 season. In 2021, Miami ended the season winning 5 of 6. The O was lights out, finishing top 25 in many statistical categories, but that defense wasn’t so great. CIS said the 2021 team w/ a “real coach” is a 10 win team b/c we’re not losing to a 6-6 UVA team, a 6-7 UNC team, or a 5-7 FSU team w/ a real coach. The admin heard us, heard the nation, & a “real coach” was hired.

Mario inherited that team, as we literally ran it back w/ this supposed real coach, & an all star staff built from leaders of men (Mario’s words). It was an epic failure, as we know, so quickly the narrative went from being a 10 win team to Manny’s players suck.

Meanwhile, not only did Lanning have to replace key players that were huge contributors from the 2021 UO team, but he inherited a Def that ranked 72nd w/o its best player, K. Thibodeaux (to put in perspective, Miami’s Def was ranked 75th), & the 50th ranked offense w/o its QB, leading rushers, or leading receiver (to put in perspective, Miami Off was ranked 19th). Yet, somehow the better coach at Miami w/ the same production of 2021 got egregiously worst, while the no experience coach who had to replace several players got better.

So truthfully no offense to u or others, but I’m not really interested in hearing what Mario inherited vs. Lanning. The goal post & narratives started changing after 5-7. The truth is, as I’ve already eloquently broke it down in another thread, Mario’s recruiting classes while at Oregon had a 75% bust/attrition rate. That’s what Lanning inherited. I’ve now witness Elko, Coach Cig, & others inherit much worst situations & I don’t hear the amount of excuses CIS provides to absolve Mario’s blunders. It’s always someone or something else’s fault.
 
Rellyrell said:
I love u bro; we chat on the side from time to time, so I apologize I must do this.

When I post long, analytical post, it’s to show the board complete context. I tend to do this w/ LBJ fans who look at raw stats w/ zero context, back ground, eras, etc to make claims he’s The GOAT, & once full context is provided, many stay stuck, but even if 1 says “****, I didn’t know that”, then I’ve done my job.

So let’s hop in a Time Machine, & let’s compare Mario’s tenure at UO vs. Lanning, & address this ugly rumor of what Mario inherited vs Lanning:

-2018-21 (Mario’s tenure at UO & his competition):
Utah: 33-14 (.702)
UW: 25-18 (.581)
WASU: 25-18 (.581)
ASU: 25-18 (.581)
USC: 22-21 (.512)
Cal: 21-21 (.500)
Stanford: 20-23 (.465)
Colorado: 18-24 (.429)
UCLA: 18-25 (.419)
Oregon St: 16-28 (.364)
Arizona: 10-31 (.244)

Conference win%: .489
Teams: .500+: 6
Teams: .600+: 1
Teams: .700+: 1
Teams .800+: N/A

-2022-2023 (Lanning’s tenure at UO in The PAC-12):
UW: 25-3 (.893)
USC: 19-8 (.701)
Oregon St: 18-8 (.692)
Utah: 18-9 (.667)
UCLA: 17-9 (.654)
Arizona: 15-10 (.600)
WASU: 12-13 (.480)
Cal: 10-15 (.400)
Stanford: 6-18 (.250)
Colorado: 5-19 (.208)
ASU: 4-18 (.167)

Conference win%: .519
Teams .500+: 6
Teams .600+: 6
Teams .700+: 2
Teams .800+: 1
Teams .900+: N/A

Oregon’s record under Mario playing a sub. 500 PAC-12 schedule: 35-13 (.729)

Oregon’s record under Lanning playing a +.500 PAC-12 schedule: 22-5 (.815)

In 2022, Lanning had to replace QB1, both RBs, the secondary, & several along the DL. Yes, some of Mario’s players were still on the team, but the key positions & production had to be replaced. By 2023, the team had flipped via the portal & Lanning’s 2022 class, while a ton of Mario’s players either leaving due to the portal, NFL or by running out of eligibility, Now by 2024 there’s very, VERY few remaining players from Mario’s tenure, w/ only Baby Herbert, Bassa, & Ferguson as key contributors.

What’s interesting about Mario inheriting the 7-5 Canes team, is that narrative shifted immediately after Mario’s 5-7 season. In 2021, Miami ended the season winning 5 of 6. The O was lights out, finishing top 25 in many statistical categories, but that defense wasn’t so great. CIS said the 2021 team w/ a “real coach” is a 10 win team b/c we’re not losing to a 6-6 UVA team, a 6-7 UNC team, or a 5-7 FSU team w/ a real coach. The admin heard us, heard the nation, & a “real coach” was hired.

Mario inherited that team, as we literally ran it back w/ this supposed real coach, & an all star staff built from leaders of men (Mario’s words). It was an epic failure, as we know, so quickly the narrative went from being a 10 win team to Manny’s players suck.

Meanwhile, not only did Lanning have to replace key players that were huge contributors from the 2021 UO team, but he inherited a Def that ranked 72nd w/o its best player, K. Thibodeaux (to put in perspective, Miami’s Def was ranked 75th), & the 50th ranked offense w/o its QB, leading rushers, or leading receiver (to put in perspective, Miami Off was ranked 19th). Yet, somehow the better coach at Miami w/ the same production of 2021 got egregiously worst, while the no experience coach who had to replace several players got better.

So truthfully no offense to u or others, but I’m not really interested in hearing what Mario inherited vs. Lanning. The goal post & narratives started changing after 5-7. The truth is, as I’ve already eloquently broke it down in another thread, Mario’s recruiting classes while at Oregon had a 75% bust/attrition rate. That’s what Lanning inherited. I’ve now witness Elko, Coach Cig, & others inherit much worst situations & I don’t hear the amount of excuses CIS provides to absolve Mario’s blunders. It’s always someone or something else’s fault.
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All that these mfs have left is that Mario built Oregon into a juggernaut. Lanning could win the next 5 NC's and Mario still would get credit from cis because he has nothing to offer as the HC of The University of Miami. You could refute every fraudulent data point that Dmoney created until you are blue in the face. Mario built Oregon is the final boss.
 
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AtrainCane said:
You know the craziest part. We have posters put up charts on how the talent in 6 or 7 position groups has been upgraded tremendously since Mario got here. But say oh the safety and corner position is still bad.

Do you what that means!!! If Manny would have had 3 or 4 groups looking Miami caliber Mario wouldn’t have to overhaul the r ENTIRE team. Mario could have just focused on the groups that were lacking.

That’s the answer to the riddle…the whole team was lacking and not championship caliber!! And that’s not fixed by 2 recruiting and portal cycles, it’s just not.
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So you are saying that the 2 NFL safeties Mario was left with were subpar?

Other coaches do more with less and adapt the team in 3 years or less - why not Mario? why not Miami?

I know, I know -- because Mario will do it "the right way"
 
George84 said:
This right here. Those teams will not repeat the success they’ve had this year. They don’t recruit to do that (some would say we don’t either). But they’re definitely not in that conversation.

Imagine this fan base if Mario could only reach the playoffs once every five years and finish with 6-8 wins the other years? I don’t think he would even last five years here.
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Right now we are not imagining -- we are at 12-13 for 2 years with historic losses, then no playoffs this year because we choked against lesser teams -- massive holes to fill for 2025 with a more difficult schedule --- this is not imaginary... The Mario at Miami with resources never given to another coach here ever.
 
Rellyrell said:
I love u bro; we chat on the side from time to time, so I apologize I must do this.

When I post long, analytical post, it’s to show the board complete context. I tend to do this w/ LBJ fans who look at raw stats w/ zero context, back ground, eras, etc to make claims he’s The GOAT, & once full context is provided, many stay stuck, but even if 1 says “****, I didn’t know that”, then I’ve done my job.

So let’s hop in a Time Machine, & let’s compare Mario’s tenure at UO vs. Lanning, & address this ugly rumor of what Mario inherited vs Lanning:

-2018-21 (Mario’s tenure at UO & his competition):
Utah: 33-14 (.702)
UW: 25-18 (.581)
WASU: 25-18 (.581)
ASU: 25-18 (.581)
USC: 22-21 (.512)
Cal: 21-21 (.500)
Stanford: 20-23 (.465)
Colorado: 18-24 (.429)
UCLA: 18-25 (.419)
Oregon St: 16-28 (.364)
Arizona: 10-31 (.244)

Conference win%: .489
Teams: .500+: 6
Teams: .600+: 1
Teams: .700+: 1
Teams .800+: N/A

-2022-2023 (Lanning’s tenure at UO in The PAC-12):
UW: 25-3 (.893)
USC: 19-8 (.701)
Oregon St: 18-8 (.692)
Utah: 18-9 (.667)
UCLA: 17-9 (.654)
Arizona: 15-10 (.600)
WASU: 12-13 (.480)
Cal: 10-15 (.400)
Stanford: 6-18 (.250)
Colorado: 5-19 (.208)
ASU: 4-18 (.167)

Conference win%: .519
Teams .500+: 6
Teams .600+: 6
Teams .700+: 2
Teams .800+: 1
Teams .900+: N/A

Oregon’s record under Mario playing a sub. 500 PAC-12 schedule: 35-13 (.729)

Oregon’s record under Lanning playing a +.500 PAC-12 schedule: 22-5 (.815)

In 2022, Lanning had to replace QB1, both RBs, the secondary, & several along the DL. Yes, some of Mario’s players were still on the team, but the key positions & production had to be replaced. By 2023, the team had flipped via the portal & Lanning’s 2022 class, while a ton of Mario’s players either leaving due to the portal, NFL or by running out of eligibility, Now by 2024 there’s very, VERY few remaining players from Mario’s tenure, w/ only Baby Herbert, Bassa, & Ferguson as key contributors.

What’s interesting about Mario inheriting the 7-5 Canes team, is that narrative shifted immediately after Mario’s 5-7 season. In 2021, Miami ended the season winning 5 of 6. The O was lights out, finishing top 25 in many statistical categories, but that defense wasn’t so great. CIS said the 2021 team w/ a “real coach” is a 10 win team b/c we’re not losing to a 6-6 UVA team, a 6-7 UNC team, or a 5-7 FSU team w/ a real coach. The admin heard us, heard the nation, & a “real coach” was hired.

Mario inherited that team, as we literally ran it back w/ this supposed real coach, & an all star staff built from leaders of men (Mario’s words). It was an epic failure, as we know, so quickly the narrative went from being a 10 win team to Manny’s players suck.

Meanwhile, not only did Lanning have to replace key players that were huge contributors from the 2021 UO team, but he inherited a Def that ranked 72nd w/o its best player, K. Thibodeaux (to put in perspective, Miami’s Def was ranked 75th), & the 50th ranked offense w/o its QB, leading rushers, or leading receiver (to put in perspective, Miami Off was ranked 19th). Yet, somehow the better coach at Miami w/ the same production of 2021 got egregiously worst, while the no experience coach who had to replace several players got better.

So truthfully no offense to u or others, but I’m not really interested in hearing what Mario inherited vs. Lanning. The goal post & narratives started changing after 5-7. The truth is, as I’ve already eloquently broke it down in another thread, Mario’s recruiting classes while at Oregon had a 75% bust/attrition rate. That’s what Lanning inherited. I’ve now witness Elko, Coach Cig, & others inherit much worst situations & I don’t hear the amount of excuses CIS provides to absolve Mario’s blunders. It’s always someone or something else’s fault.
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You had me at **** Lebron James. But then you went full Jerry Maguire "Who's Coming With Me?" with this post!
 
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Rellyrell said:
I love u bro; we chat on the side from time to time, so I apologize I must do this.

When I post long, analytical post, it’s to show the board complete context. I tend to do this w/ LBJ fans who look at raw stats w/ zero context, back ground, eras, etc to make claims he’s The GOAT, & once full context is provided, many stay stuck, but even if 1 says “****, I didn’t know that”, then I’ve done my job.

So let’s hop in a Time Machine, & let’s compare Mario’s tenure at UO vs. Lanning, & address this ugly rumor of what Mario inherited vs Lanning:

-2018-21 (Mario’s tenure at UO & his competition):
Utah: 33-14 (.702)
UW: 25-18 (.581)
WASU: 25-18 (.581)
ASU: 25-18 (.581)
USC: 22-21 (.512)
Cal: 21-21 (.500)
Stanford: 20-23 (.465)
Colorado: 18-24 (.429)
UCLA: 18-25 (.419)
Oregon St: 16-28 (.364)
Arizona: 10-31 (.244)

Conference win%: .489
Teams: .500+: 6
Teams: .600+: 1
Teams: .700+: 1
Teams .800+: N/A

-2022-2023 (Lanning’s tenure at UO in The PAC-12):
UW: 25-3 (.893)
USC: 19-8 (.701)
Oregon St: 18-8 (.692)
Utah: 18-9 (.667)
UCLA: 17-9 (.654)
Arizona: 15-10 (.600)
WASU: 12-13 (.480)
Cal: 10-15 (.400)
Stanford: 6-18 (.250)
Colorado: 5-19 (.208)
ASU: 4-18 (.167)

Conference win%: .519
Teams .500+: 6
Teams .600+: 6
Teams .700+: 2
Teams .800+: 1
Teams .900+: N/A

Oregon’s record under Mario playing a sub. 500 PAC-12 schedule: 35-13 (.729)

Oregon’s record under Lanning playing a +.500 PAC-12 schedule: 22-5 (.815)

In 2022, Lanning had to replace QB1, both RBs, the secondary, & several along the DL. Yes, some of Mario’s players were still on the team, but the key positions & production had to be replaced. By 2023, the team had flipped via the portal & Lanning’s 2022 class, while a ton of Mario’s players either leaving due to the portal, NFL or by running out of eligibility, Now by 2024 there’s very, VERY few remaining players from Mario’s tenure, w/ only Baby Herbert, Bassa, & Ferguson as key contributors.

What’s interesting about Mario inheriting the 7-5 Canes team, is that narrative shifted immediately after Mario’s 5-7 season. In 2021, Miami ended the season winning 5 of 6. The O was lights out, finishing top 25 in many statistical categories, but that defense wasn’t so great. CIS said the 2021 team w/ a “real coach” is a 10 win team b/c we’re not losing to a 6-6 UVA team, a 6-7 UNC team, or a 5-7 FSU team w/ a real coach. The admin heard us, heard the nation, & a “real coach” was hired.

Mario inherited that team, as we literally ran it back w/ this supposed real coach, & an all star staff built from leaders of men (Mario’s words). It was an epic failure, as we know, so quickly the narrative went from being a 10 win team to Manny’s players suck.

Meanwhile, not only did Lanning have to replace key players that were huge contributors from the 2021 UO team, but he inherited a Def that ranked 72nd w/o its best player, K. Thibodeaux (to put in perspective, Miami’s Def was ranked 75th), & the 50th ranked offense w/o its QB, leading rushers, or leading receiver (to put in perspective, Miami Off was ranked 19th). Yet, somehow the better coach at Miami w/ the same production of 2021 got egregiously worst, while the no experience coach who had to replace several players got better.

So truthfully no offense to u or others, but I’m not really interested in hearing what Mario inherited vs. Lanning. The goal post & narratives started changing after 5-7. The truth is, as I’ve already eloquently broke it down in another thread, Mario’s recruiting classes while at Oregon had a 75% bust/attrition rate. That’s what Lanning inherited. I’ve now witness Elko, Coach Cig, & others inherit much worst situations & I don’t hear the amount of excuses CIS provides to absolve Mario’s blunders. It’s always someone or something else’s fault.
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I'm on record as believing Mario wasn't a good choice, but I came around on the intangibles like spending and culture.

And I absolutely appreciate your methodical post and agree with it. But the people entrenched in the Mario camp will always use the cupboard argument.
 
cway313 said:
All that these mfs have left is that Mario built Oregon into a juggernaut. Lanning could win the next 5 NC's and Mario still would get credit from cis because he has nothing to offer as the HC of The University of Miami. You could refute every fraudulent data point that Dmoney created until you are blue in the face. Mario built Oregon is the final boss.
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Angry Ibis said:
So you are saying that the 2 NFL safeties Mario was left with were subpar?

Other coaches do more with less and adapt the team in 3 years or less - why not Mario? why not Miami?

I know, I know -- because Mario will do it "the right way"
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2022 D/roster had 5 current NFL players.
Tyrique
Ivey
Kinchens
Williams
Taylor

All the SMU Hurricane D starters, Jackson now at FSU, Flagg now at Mizzou.

MTSU just scored again.
 
JD08 said:
I'm on record as believing Mario wasn't a good choice, but I came around on the intangibles like spending and culture.

And I absolutely appreciate your methodical post and agree with it. But the people entrenched in the Mario camp will always use the cupboard argument.
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I think the only intangible at this point is the money... which because it is only for Mario shows the failures of the university and program
 
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Angry Ibis said:
So you are saying that the 2 NFL safeties Mario was left with were subpar?

Other coaches do more with less and adapt the team in 3 years or less - why not Mario? why not Miami?

I know, I know -- because Mario will do it "the right way"
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That’s just it. You named 2 safeties. How long was Manny here. Who are the safeties before and after Williams and Kichens. The fact that you could only name 2 good players out all the years manny was d coordinator and head coach makes my point. You should sign those kind players players every year at Miami.
 
AtrainCane said:
That’s just it. You named 2 safeties. How long was Manny here. Who are the safeties before and after Williams and Kichens. The fact that you could only name 2 good players out all the years manny was d coordinator and head coach makes my point. You should sign those kind players players every year at Miami.
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But Mario is not. And he is only a recruiter.

Others outlined additional NFL roster players.
 
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JD08 said:
I'm on record as believing Mario wasn't a good choice, but I came around on the intangibles like spending and culture.

And I absolutely appreciate your methodical post and agree with it. But the people entrenched in the Mario camp will always use the cupboard argument.
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Fact of the matter is without Mario, I seriously doubt we see the investment the university has made since he came on board. It’s been well documented that Mario told the Columbus Cartel he wouldn’t come to Miami without that commitment.

I also believe that Mario inherited a bigger mess than Lanning. UO had been fairly successful - regardless of the Taggert fiasco - even before Mario got there. Also had money bags Knight’s backing for several years.

So far, Mario’s results at Miami are mixed at best. We all know it was an uphill climb given ALL the past ineptitude that has been discussed incessantly. Mario definitely has his faults that have also been discussed incessantly. No doubt there have been coaches -Elko, Cignetti etc. - that have been successful right away but I still think comparing Mario and them is apples and oranges.

Time will certainly tell if Mario can get things going in the right direction and SUSTAIN it.
 
RVACane said:
I think Mario stabilized the program this year to an extent in ways Manny couldn’t but I don’t think he’s going to get us where you want to be, unfortunately.
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So what's the answer, be happy with 6-7 win seasons with a 10-win season sprinkled in once every 5 years with no championships when everything goes right? I'm sorry, that's not good enough. No real cane fan should compromise on this. I have to demand more. My God, Ohio State is gonna make the playoff this year and they are seriously ready to fire a guy who is 66-10 over six years and made it to the national championship game four years ago and has made it to the final four three times. This must be what we strive for. And I'm having fans telling me to accept 7 win seasons and be happy about "progress." How did this happen??
 
Oregon Bar Pilot said:
NWK - LOL ....

Here is a dose of the truth:

When Mario took over at Oregon it was a dumpster fire that had been set in part by Mario himself as he came to Oregon as an asst of the famous one and done Willie Taggert and a season that had more losses than wins.

Oregon has the nicest facilities in college football - True

For the 24-25 season Oregon's projected NIL revenue isn't 1st or 2nd or even 3rd in the Big 10 ...it is 8th! Miami doesn't disclose their numbers or if it does then they are well hidden but likely surpass Oregon's. When you factor in the SEC Oregon would be 12th in the SEC and they would be 19th in a combined SEC Big 10 grouping.

Oregon took a huge gamble on Lanning who had never been a head coach anywhere. In my opinion where Oregon has outdone every other college in the country has been their marketing team ... and their branding. These efforts have been led or at least greatly influenced by Nike ...Their NIL cooperative (Division Street) has it's own shoes and apparel lines and their video series called "Oregon vs Them" is brilliant and makes almost every high school football player want to go play for Lanning and the Ducks Here is my favorite called "Oregon vs Them ...The Man in the Arena" recapping their game prep for their game in the Big House. My second favorite is their recap of the Ohio State game. Seriously check them out you will see what I mean.

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their marketing can’t be that good the only time I hear about Oregon is on this ******* site lmao.
 
mavericksouth said:
So what's the answer, be happy with 6-7 win seasons with a 10-win season sprinkled in once every 5 years with no championships when everything goes right? I'm sorry, that's not good enough. No real cane fan should compromise on this. I have to demand more. My God, Ohio State is gonna make the playoff this year and they are seriously ready to fire a guy who is 66-10 over six years and made it to the national championship game four years ago and has made it to the final four three times. This must be what we strive for. And I'm having fans telling me to accept 7 win seasons and be happy about "progress." How did this happen??
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And this is an understatement. Short of winning it all this year, they want his head.
 
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