DT

[The Franchise]

People here are discussing 2 different subjects.Golden missing on his top targets at DT(Goldman,Watkins,Hooks,Bradley ,T.Johnson)and having to scramble late to sign Dts.There's no way to deny this so the comeback is fans are impatient expecting our young DTs to dominate early.Again 2 different subjects.Nobody expects young Dts to dominate,we're just hoping the staff can start signing their top priorities at DT and not have to settle for the next tier.Nobody can honestly claim Ivory or Briscoe were our top targets at DT last year,yes they may turn out to be better than some of the higher ranked DTs but that is a different discussion.

Golden's also recruiting with both hands tied behind his back right now. I'm shocked he's been able to get the guys he has with this neverending cloud looming over the program. Dude is working miracles in recruiting. When the cloud finally disappears, and we start winning big again, he'll hit more of those high-ranked out-of-state targets. His recruiting acumen is beyond reproach.

 

[The Franchise]

Including Bradley and Johnson in the list of guys they've missed on is ridiculous.

It sure is.

 

[Mico Jones]

LULZ at Golden's DT recruiting coming under fire already. His first class is a total mulligan given how late he was hired and how few commits Shannvo left. Yet he still managed to sign Pierre, who will leave here a high draft pick.

He signed a couple excellent prospects last year too. It's impossible to judge freshman DTs though because they shouldn't even be near the field at that position at such an early stage in their careers.

In addition, don't discount the real possibility of developing some guys recruited at different positions (DE, TE, etc) developing into productive DTs down the road.

We need to have some perspective on the DT position, and I suggest you look to our all time greats for guidance. Can't think of any who dominated as freshman and most of them really turned it on around their third year in the program.

The specific name here is Jelani Hamilton. I think he slides inside very much like Olsen Pierre. Ideally, as you said, he would have taken a shirt year to realize it'll be impossible for him to stay below 290, and he's most likely a 305 pounder once he full matures. With his long arms and good feet, he may surprise people toward the end of next season, much like Pierre flashed glimpses at the end of this season. I keep repeating that these guys are on the field, being judged, at the same time guys like William Joseph took 2 full seasons (a redshirt and then a year as an unexplosive Dend) to show us flashes at DT.

Jelani is best suited as a strong side 4-3 IMO. But yes he can bulk up and be a solid 3-4.

That being said a great defensive line doesn't only need one or two impact guys but a bunch of quality depth as well.

Enough with all this developement stuff. How many these guys to you think are really going to develop into something above average to special? And even then the good ones always show flashes instantly.

You could see Jelani's burst this past year with as little as he played. Who else on the squad shows that kind size/strength ratio with quick twitch explosion off the line to play the interior? Plus there are guys like Marvin Austin that ball from the get go.

Who's going to man the nose then Porter is gone. The nose(3 technique) is the absolutely most important position for this style of defense. Ivery? Corey King?

And what does any of that have to do with Golden's inability to pull in young studs last cycle and this one up to now?

If we have to wait til next year for a couple of impact making interior linemen and if they need 2 years to develope what is that going to say about our defense in the next couple of years even with all the young LB and DB talent we have?

I suspect it will be either Ivery, Moore or Bryant (if he comes aboard).

Your comment re: "enough with development" is tough to understand. There are countless examples of Frosh interior linemen who developed over a few (meaning 2-3) seasons.

Let's take a look:

2012 NFL Draft

Dontari Poe - #11 Overall (1st Round) - 2star prospect by Rivals and Scout.com; REDSHIRTED his first year; only got 6 starts in his RS Frosh year, which was his second year in college; 27 tackles total that year; became a consistent starter his 3rd year in college.

Fletcher Cox - #12 Overall (1st Round) - DEFENSIVE END coming out of HS; played in 12 games as a true frosh, but only started in 4 games; started 11 games as a Sophomore, before leaving as a Junior.

Derrick Wolfe - #36 overall (2nd Round) - 2 star recruit by Rivals.com; 0 starts as a freshman; played as a backup in half the games; made 13 starts as a sophomore; put it all together as a Senior to be the co-big east defensive player of the year.

Kendall Reyes - #49 overall (2nd Round) - Played defensive End in high school; 6' 4" 220 pound recruit; 2 star recruit on scout; REDSHIRTED; started in 4 games as a RS Frosh (2nd year of college); took hold of a DT position and started 12 games as a RS Sophomore (3rd year on college), ala William Joseph; put it all together as a junior, in 2010, and was a first team all-conference player.

Jerel Worthy - #51 overall (2nd Round) - 2 star recruit on Scout.com and 78th best defensive tackle as a HS recruit; REDSHIRTED; started 11 games as a RS Frosh (2nd year of college); put it all together in his third year of college, starting 13 games and earning some All-American honors.

Devon Still - #53 overall (2nd Round) - 4 star recruit on Scout.com; REDSHIRTED; tore his knee his second year; debut was in 2008 (his 3rd year in college); put it all together as a 5th year senior, where he started 12 games and made all-conference.

You're a smart guy, so you can add all that up and discuss reasonably. Those are the DTs selected in the first 2 rounds of the last NFL draft:

- 4 of 6 took redshirts
- earliest impact was made in 2nd year of college
- 4 of 6 were 2 star recruits

Development of interior DLinemen is the name of the game.

Lmao I can play that game too and show you ones that did it early on.

Again there was Marvin Austin, Dequan Bowers, Jadaveon Clowney, MArcel Dareus all instant impact freshmen.

Guys like Louis Nix and Shariff Floyd, Timmy Jernigan, Jacoby Mcdanniel all saw some snaps as freshmen and showed flashes.

What about the JCs we missed out on? They don't generally need 2 years to develop.

Again, who on our current roster with 2 years of "U Tough" will play the 3 technique?

 

[LuCane]

LULZ at Golden's DT recruiting coming under fire already. His first class is a total mulligan given how late he was hired and how few commits Shannvo left. Yet he still managed to sign Pierre, who will leave here a high draft pick.

He signed a couple excellent prospects last year too. It's impossible to judge freshman DTs though because they shouldn't even be near the field at that position at such an early stage in their careers.

In addition, don't discount the real possibility of developing some guys recruited at different positions (DE, TE, etc) developing into productive DTs down the road.

We need to have some perspective on the DT position, and I suggest you look to our all time greats for guidance. Can't think of any who dominated as freshman and most of them really turned it on around their third year in the program.

The specific name here is Jelani Hamilton. I think he slides inside very much like Olsen Pierre. Ideally, as you said, he would have taken a shirt year to realize it'll be impossible for him to stay below 290, and he's most likely a 305 pounder once he full matures. With his long arms and good feet, he may surprise people toward the end of next season, much like Pierre flashed glimpses at the end of this season. I keep repeating that these guys are on the field, being judged, at the same time guys like William Joseph took 2 full seasons (a redshirt and then a year as an unexplosive Dend) to show us flashes at DT.

Jelani is best suited as a strong side 4-3 IMO. But yes he can bulk up and be a solid 3-4.

That being said a great defensive line doesn't only need one or two impact guys but a bunch of quality depth as well.

Enough with all this developement stuff. How many these guys to you think are really going to develop into something above average to special? And even then the good ones always show flashes instantly.

You could see Jelani's burst this past year with as little as he played. Who else on the squad shows that kind size/strength ratio with quick twitch explosion off the line to play the interior? Plus there are guys like Marvin Austin that ball from the get go.

Who's going to man the nose then Porter is gone. The nose(3 technique) is the absolutely most important position for this style of defense. Ivery? Corey King?

And what does any of that have to do with Golden's inability to pull in young studs last cycle and this one up to now?

If we have to wait til next year for a couple of impact making interior linemen and if they need 2 years to develope what is that going to say about our defense in the next couple of years even with all the young LB and DB talent we have?

I suspect it will be either Ivery, Moore or Bryant (if he comes aboard).

Your comment re: "enough with development" is tough to understand. There are countless examples of Frosh interior linemen who developed over a few (meaning 2-3) seasons.

Let's take a look:

2012 NFL Draft

Dontari Poe - #11 Overall (1st Round) - 2star prospect by Rivals and Scout.com; REDSHIRTED his first year; only got 6 starts in his RS Frosh year, which was his second year in college; 27 tackles total that year; became a consistent starter his 3rd year in college.

Fletcher Cox - #12 Overall (1st Round) - DEFENSIVE END coming out of HS; played in 12 games as a true frosh, but only started in 4 games; started 11 games as a Sophomore, before leaving as a Junior.

Derrick Wolfe - #36 overall (2nd Round) - 2 star recruit by Rivals.com; 0 starts as a freshman; played as a backup in half the games; made 13 starts as a sophomore; put it all together as a Senior to be the co-big east defensive player of the year.

Kendall Reyes - #49 overall (2nd Round) - Played defensive End in high school; 6' 4" 220 pound recruit; 2 star recruit on scout; REDSHIRTED; started in 4 games as a RS Frosh (2nd year of college); took hold of a DT position and started 12 games as a RS Sophomore (3rd year on college), ala William Joseph; put it all together as a junior, in 2010, and was a first team all-conference player.

Jerel Worthy - #51 overall (2nd Round) - 2 star recruit on Scout.com and 78th best defensive tackle as a HS recruit; REDSHIRTED; started 11 games as a RS Frosh (2nd year of college); put it all together in his third year of college, starting 13 games and earning some All-American honors.

Devon Still - #53 overall (2nd Round) - 4 star recruit on Scout.com; REDSHIRTED; tore his knee his second year; debut was in 2008 (his 3rd year in college); put it all together as a 5th year senior, where he started 12 games and made all-conference.

You're a smart guy, so you can add all that up and discuss reasonably. Those are the DTs selected in the first 2 rounds of the last NFL draft:

- 4 of 6 took redshirts
- earliest impact was made in 2nd year of college
- 4 of 6 were 2 star recruits

Development of interior DLinemen is the name of the game.

Lmao I can play that game too and show you ones that did it early on.

Again there was Marvin Austin, Dequan Bowers, Jadaveon Clowney, MArcel Dareus all instant impact freshmen.

Guys like Louis Nix and Shariff Floyd, Timmy Jernigan, Jacoby Mcdanniel all saw some snaps as freshmen and showed flashes.

What about the JCs we missed out on? They don't generally need 2 years to develop.

Again, who on our current roster with 2 years of "U Tough" will play the 3 technique?

Why are you laughing your *** off? I didn't selectively choose players. I picked the most recent draft and chose all the players selected in the first two rounds. If you can't have a reasonable discussion, there's no point to engaging you.

And, I answered your question in my first post.

 

[Mico Jones]

The specific name here is Jelani Hamilton. I think he slides inside very much like Olsen Pierre. Ideally, as you said, he would have taken a shirt year to realize it'll be impossible for him to stay below 290, and he's most likely a 305 pounder once he full matures. With his long arms and good feet, he may surprise people toward the end of next season, much like Pierre flashed glimpses at the end of this season. I keep repeating that these guys are on the field, being judged, at the same time guys like William Joseph took 2 full seasons (a redshirt and then a year as an unexplosive Dend) to show us flashes at DT.

Jelani is best suited as a strong side 4-3 IMO. But yes he can bulk up and be a solid 3-4.

That being said a great defensive line doesn't only need one or two impact guys but a bunch of quality depth as well.

Enough with all this developement stuff. How many these guys to you think are really going to develop into something above average to special? And even then the good ones always show flashes instantly.

You could see Jelani's burst this past year with as little as he played. Who else on the squad shows that kind size/strength ratio with quick twitch explosion off the line to play the interior? Plus there are guys like Marvin Austin that ball from the get go.

Who's going to man the nose then Porter is gone. The nose(3 technique) is the absolutely most important position for this style of defense. Ivery? Corey King?

And what does any of that have to do with Golden's inability to pull in young studs last cycle and this one up to now?

If we have to wait til next year for a couple of impact making interior linemen and if they need 2 years to develope what is that going to say about our defense in the next couple of years even with all the young LB and DB talent we have?

I suspect it will be either Ivery, Moore or Bryant (if he comes aboard).

Your comment re: "enough with development" is tough to understand. There are countless examples of Frosh interior linemen who developed over a few (meaning 2-3) seasons.

Let's take a look:

2012 NFL Draft

Dontari Poe - #11 Overall (1st Round) - 2star prospect by Rivals and Scout.com; REDSHIRTED his first year; only got 6 starts in his RS Frosh year, which was his second year in college; 27 tackles total that year; became a consistent starter his 3rd year in college.

Fletcher Cox - #12 Overall (1st Round) - DEFENSIVE END coming out of HS; played in 12 games as a true frosh, but only started in 4 games; started 11 games as a Sophomore, before leaving as a Junior.

Derrick Wolfe - #36 overall (2nd Round) - 2 star recruit by Rivals.com; 0 starts as a freshman; played as a backup in half the games; made 13 starts as a sophomore; put it all together as a Senior to be the co-big east defensive player of the year.

Kendall Reyes - #49 overall (2nd Round) - Played defensive End in high school; 6' 4" 220 pound recruit; 2 star recruit on scout; REDSHIRTED; started in 4 games as a RS Frosh (2nd year of college); took hold of a DT position and started 12 games as a RS Sophomore (3rd year on college), ala William Joseph; put it all together as a junior, in 2010, and was a first team all-conference player.

Jerel Worthy - #51 overall (2nd Round) - 2 star recruit on Scout.com and 78th best defensive tackle as a HS recruit; REDSHIRTED; started 11 games as a RS Frosh (2nd year of college); put it all together in his third year of college, starting 13 games and earning some All-American honors.

Devon Still - #53 overall (2nd Round) - 4 star recruit on Scout.com; REDSHIRTED; tore his knee his second year; debut was in 2008 (his 3rd year in college); put it all together as a 5th year senior, where he started 12 games and made all-conference.

You're a smart guy, so you can add all that up and discuss reasonably. Those are the DTs selected in the first 2 rounds of the last NFL draft:

- 4 of 6 took redshirts
- earliest impact was made in 2nd year of college
- 4 of 6 were 2 star recruits

Development of interior DLinemen is the name of the game.

Lmao I can play that game too and show you ones that did it early on.

Again there was Marvin Austin, Dequan Bowers, Jadaveon Clowney, MArcel Dareus all instant impact freshmen.

Guys like Louis Nix and Shariff Floyd, Timmy Jernigan, Jacoby Mcdanniel all saw some snaps as freshmen and showed flashes.

What about the JCs we missed out on? They don't generally need 2 years to develop.

Again, who on our current roster with 2 years of "U Tough" will play the 3 technique?

Why are you laughing your *** off? I didn't selectively choose players. I picked the most recent draft and chose all the players selected in the first two rounds. If you can't have a reasonable discussion, there's no point to engaging you.

And, I answered your question in my first post.

I sure as **** can LMAO. You are rationalizing. The fact is that there is no way anyone can feel comfortable about the future of our interior DL. Right now its merely a hope and a prayer. Oh and

A - You picked one NFL draft
B - What about the ton of good college football players that don't end up being high NFL draft picks.

And no. You didn't answer the question. Jelani Hamilton is a maybe to be an effective 3 technique. Who else?

Who's the nose tackle double team eater?

Again you all miss the point.

There's way too many questions for us to only have one DT in tow at this point(Bryant) and nothing else locked down.

What if we only pick up Bryant. Will you feel good about the future of our interior DL?

Do you feel good about our interior DL?

Do you feel as good about our interior DL as you do about say the DBs, LBs or other side of the ball?

 

[LuCane]

I never talked to you about how I felt about our interior DL. I focused the discussion on how important time/development is for defensive tackles. I don't feel great about our interior DL, but I'm not as concerned about it as I am about the edges. Now you're talking about DTs in relation to the DBs and LBs?

I guess you're the only one who sees it clearly and everyone has missed the point.

 

[BigPoppaCane]

THE EDGES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE INTERIOR

 

[Larry]

THE EDGES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE INTERIOR

Nope.

 

[Larry]

All of this talk of development is fine...but we are in December of Al's third recruiting class and he hasn't landed a single projectable impact defensive tackle prospect.

We can continue to blow smoke up all of our asses, but its a serious point of discussion at this point. This class cycle isn't over yet, but, its worrisome.

It was pretty unanimous that this class needed to feature multiple prospects at the position with at least one being ready to be ready to contribute significantly from Day 1. Lets not move the goal post.

 

[LuCane]

THE EDGES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE INTERIOR

Not at all, but we really don't seem to have anything much out there.

 

[BigPoppaCane]

THE EDGES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE INTERIOR

Not at all, but we really don't seem to have anything much out there.

YA TRIPPIN
INTERIOR LINE PLAY IS KEY FOR RUN STOPPN BUT HAVOC OFF THE EDGES WINS THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE

 

[skyman]

Dline as a whole seems questionable at best. We got a guy who Knee is taped together not only logging major minutes but starting at miami and could do it again next year. Dude is 6'0 250, multiple knee surgeries no Explosiveness, change of direction or sheer strength to the table yet he is the best DE we got and trot out there. If that aint scary I dont know what is. smh

 

[LuCane]

All of this talk of development is fine...but we are in December of Al's third recruiting class and he hasn't landed a single projectable impact defensive tackle prospect.

We can continue to blow smoke up all of our asses, but its a serious point of discussion at this point. This class cycle isn't over yet, but, its worrisome.

It was pretty unanimous that this class needed to feature multiple prospects at the position with at least one being ready to be ready to contribute significantly from Day 1. Lets not move the goal post.

No one is moving the goal posts. This class needed a Keith Bryant and/or a JuCo guy. I wouldn't really talk about his first class.

The relevant point to that, which is what is being discussed, is whether or not there is an impact DT on the roster that hasn't developed. Personally, I think Pierre may be that guy. I think we'll find out more next year and then on draft day in April of 2014.

 

[Larry]

THE EDGES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE INTERIOR

Not at all, but we really don't seem to have anything much out there.

YA TRIPPIN
INTERIOR LINE PLAY IS KEY FOR RUN STOPPN BUT HAVOC OFF THE EDGES WINS THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE

"Havoc off the edges" doesn't happen unless you have an interior.

 

[The Franchise]

LULZ at Golden's DT recruiting coming under fire already. His first class is a total mulligan given how late he was hired and how few commits Shannvo left. Yet he still managed to sign Pierre, who will leave here a high draft pick.

He signed a couple excellent prospects last year too. It's impossible to judge freshman DTs though because they shouldn't even be near the field at that position at such an early stage in their careers.

In addition, don't discount the real possibility of developing some guys recruited at different positions (DE, TE, etc) developing into productive DTs down the road.

We need to have some perspective on the DT position, and I suggest you look to our all time greats for guidance. Can't think of any who dominated as freshman and most of them really turned it on around their third year in the program.

The specific name here is Jelani Hamilton. I think he slides inside very much like Olsen Pierre. Ideally, as you said, he would have taken a shirt year to realize it'll be impossible for him to stay below 290, and he's most likely a 305 pounder once he full matures. With his long arms and good feet, he may surprise people toward the end of next season, much like Pierre flashed glimpses at the end of this season. I keep repeating that these guys are on the field, being judged, at the same time guys like William Joseph took 2 full seasons (a redshirt and then a year as an unexplosive Dend) to show us flashes at DT.

Jelani is best suited as a strong side 4-3 IMO. But yes he can bulk up and be a solid 3-4.

That being said a great defensive line doesn't only need one or two impact guys but a bunch of quality depth as well.

Enough with all this developement stuff. How many these guys to you think are really going to develop into something above average to special? And even then the good ones always show flashes instantly.

You could see Jelani's burst this past year with as little as he played. Who else on the squad shows that kind size/strength ratio with quick twitch explosion off the line to play the interior? Plus there are guys like Marvin Austin that ball from the get go.

Who's going to man the nose then Porter is gone. The nose(3 technique) is the absolutely most important position for this style of defense. Ivery? Corey King?

And what does any of that have to do with Golden's inability to pull in young studs last cycle and this one up to now?

If we have to wait til next year for a couple of impact making interior linemen and if they need 2 years to develope what is that going to say about our defense in the next couple of years even with all the young LB and DB talent we have?

I suspect it will be either Ivery, Moore or Bryant (if he comes aboard).

Your comment re: "enough with development" is tough to understand. There are countless examples of Frosh interior linemen who developed over a few (meaning 2-3) seasons.

Let's take a look:

2012 NFL Draft

Dontari Poe - #11 Overall (1st Round) - 2star prospect by Rivals and Scout.com; REDSHIRTED his first year; only got 6 starts in his RS Frosh year, which was his second year in college; 27 tackles total that year; became a consistent starter his 3rd year in college.

Fletcher Cox - #12 Overall (1st Round) - DEFENSIVE END coming out of HS; played in 12 games as a true frosh, but only started in 4 games; started 11 games as a Sophomore, before leaving as a Junior.

Derrick Wolfe - #36 overall (2nd Round) - 2 star recruit by Rivals.com; 0 starts as a freshman; played as a backup in half the games; made 13 starts as a sophomore; put it all together as a Senior to be the co-big east defensive player of the year.

Kendall Reyes - #49 overall (2nd Round) - Played defensive End in high school; 6' 4" 220 pound recruit; 2 star recruit on scout; REDSHIRTED; started in 4 games as a RS Frosh (2nd year of college); took hold of a DT position and started 12 games as a RS Sophomore (3rd year on college), ala William Joseph; put it all together as a junior, in 2010, and was a first team all-conference player.

Jerel Worthy - #51 overall (2nd Round) - 2 star recruit on Scout.com and 78th best defensive tackle as a HS recruit; REDSHIRTED; started 11 games as a RS Frosh (2nd year of college); put it all together in his third year of college, starting 13 games and earning some All-American honors.

Devon Still - #53 overall (2nd Round) - 4 star recruit on Scout.com; REDSHIRTED; tore his knee his second year; debut was in 2008 (his 3rd year in college); put it all together as a 5th year senior, where he started 12 games and made all-conference.

You're a smart guy, so you can add all that up and discuss reasonably. Those are the DTs selected in the first 2 rounds of the last NFL draft:

- 4 of 6 took redshirts
- earliest impact was made in 2nd year of college
- 4 of 6 were 2 star recruits

Development of interior DLinemen is the name of the game.

Lmao I can play that game too and show you ones that did it early on.

Again there was Marvin Austin, Dequan Bowers, Jadaveon Clowney, MArcel Dareus all instant impact freshmen.

Guys like Louis Nix and Shariff Floyd, Timmy Jernigan, Jacoby Mcdanniel all saw some snaps as freshmen and showed flashes.

What about the JCs we missed out on? They don't generally need 2 years to develop.

Again, who on our current roster with 2 years of "U Tough" will play the 3 technique?

Daquan Bowers' stats actually prove the opposite of what you're claiming. He didn't do anything till his junior season despite being one of the top ranked players coming out of HS. Here are his numbers at Clemple:

2010- 67 tackles, 41 solo tackles, 16 sacks, 25 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble, 1 interception

2009- 46 total tackles, 27 solo tackles, 3 sacks, 10 ½ tackles for loss

2008- 37 total tackles, 21 solo tackles, 1 sack, 8 tackles for loss

Marcel Dareus as a freshman at Bama played in 8 games and made 4 tackles. So there's another guy on your list who proves the point that freshman, even when they turn out to be great players in the end, don't start out that way.

Louis Nix did not even play as a freshman, so I don't see how he "saw snaps and showed flashes" as a freshman. Sat out the whole year because he wasn't ready to contribute. ND didn't even RS players then, so he didn't play until he was a sophomore.

Sharrif Floyd was nowhere near the player as a freshman that he was this year as a junior. As a freshman, he had 23 tackles 6.5 tackles for loss and 0 sacks. As a junior, he had 41 tackles and 11 tackles for loss. He basically doubled his production.

 

[The Franchise]

All of this talk of development is fine...but we are in December of Al's third recruiting class and he hasn't landed a single projectable impact defensive tackle prospect.

Neither has anyone else.

 

[Mico Jones]

I never talked to you about how I felt about our interior DL. I focused the discussion on how important time/development is for defensive tackles. I don't feel great about our interior DL, but I'm not as concerned about it as I am about the edges. Now you're talking about DTs in relation to the DBs and LBs?

I guess you're the only one who sees it clearly and everyone has missed the point.

So what is the best case scenario left for recruiting quality DTs this year? Are Hooks and Bryant now considered to be losses? How much can we rely on guys already on the roster?

See OP's post above.

My posts have all been in relation to this post.

So the only one who strayed off point was you to throw in an excuse for our DT situation.

"I focused the discussion on how important time/development is for defensive tackles."

The fact is that you are the one who strayed off point. You posted how DTs take time to develop(Which can be said about most every other position) yet you yourself can't say with certainty that we can rely on what we have on the current roster("I don't feel great about our interior DL")

So with that said, back to my original post and point which somehow became a "you can't expect all defensive lineman to be impact players as freshmen" argument to those on the thread who can't admit that DT recruiting under Golden has been underwhelming.

I don't know how anyone can honestly say that they are not dissapointed that we only have Bryant on board at this point in time.

 

[Larry]

All of this talk of development is fine...but we are in December of Al's third recruiting class and he hasn't landed a single projectable impact defensive tackle prospect.

We can continue to blow smoke up all of our asses, but its a serious point of discussion at this point. This class cycle isn't over yet, but, its worrisome.

It was pretty unanimous that this class needed to feature multiple prospects at the position with at least one being ready to be ready to contribute significantly from Day 1. Lets not move the goal post.

No one is moving the goal posts. This class needed a Keith Bryant and/or a JuCo guy. I wouldn't really talk about his first class.

The relevant point to that, which is what is being discussed, is whether or not there is an impact DT on the roster that hasn't developed. Personally, I think Pierre may be that guy. I think we'll find out more next year and then on draft day in April of 2014.

I care nothing about draft prospectus...I care about collegiate production...draft position isn't about what you've done, its about what you will do...

As for impact DTs on the roster, its my assumption we have potential contributors, guys who will be good collegiate players, but no guys that project as legitimate impact defensive tackles. The All-American, the Lombardi, the Bednarik Award finalist, the legitimate, unanimous first-team All-Conference player...we need to get those guys and we haven't done it yet, and this class, in December, doesn't have one...even if it does get a Keith Bryant, that defensive tackle prospect won't project to that level for at least 3 years down the road. Meanwhile, Miami's going to continue struggling on defense to an extent because it lacks these types of players.

 

[Mico Jones]

All of this talk of development is fine...but we are in December of Al's third recruiting class and he hasn't landed a single projectable impact defensive tackle prospect.

Neither has anyone else.

Bull***t. Josh Jenkins had a big season for Georgia right off the top of my head.

Are you actually saying nobody that Golden recruited and missed out on has made an impact or shown flashes of future stardome?

LMAO.

 

[Larry]

All of this talk of development is fine...but we are in December of Al's third recruiting class and he hasn't landed a single projectable impact defensive tackle prospect.

Neither has anyone else.

Expound.