DT

[DCH]

It is scary to me how people are downplaying our Mayan Apocalypse of a DT situation by clinging to the "well DTs take time to develop" and "we can convert x, y, or z to DT." Neither is downright false, but it does not change the situation. We have no DTs now, and we have little help on the way. I hope one of the three guys we signed last year pan out, but none were very highly recruited. Certainly not sure things. And there is a very real possibility that we strike out completely this year.

This is getting to Coker WR recruiting and Shannon corner recruiting levels. Not attacking Golden for this really, but its a very real problem.

 

[1CN]

It is scary to me how people are downplaying our Mayan Apocalypse of a DT situation by clinging to the "well DTs take time to develop" and "we can convert x, y, or z to DT." Neither is downright false, but it does not change the situation. We have no DTs now, and we have little help on the way. I hope one of the three guys we signed last year pan out, but none were very highly recruited. Certainly not sure things. And there is a very real possibility that we strike out completely this year.

This is getting to Coker WR recruiting and Shannon corner recruiting levels. Not attacking Golden for this really, but its a very real problem.

Olsen Pierre played a lot better than his freshman season, after his 1st U tough
Every1 in love with Eddie Johnson play, after his 1st UTough
Dorsett improve after Utough....

I still want the top DT in high school
but you have to develop the talent you have on the roster too..

 

[drifters1234]

It is scary to me how people are downplaying our Mayan Apocalypse of a DT situation by clinging to the "well DTs take time to develop" and "we can convert x, y, or z to DT." Neither is downright false, but it does not change the situation. We have no DTs now, and we have little help on the way. I hope one of the three guys we signed last year pan out, but none were very highly recruited. Certainly not sure things. And there is a very real possibility that we strike out completely this year.

This is getting to Coker WR recruiting and Shannon corner recruiting levels. Not attacking Golden for this really, but its a very real problem.

I'm a huge golden fan, but the dt situation seriously concerns me as well. I feel like we are going back to hoping the young guys will pan out rather than expecting it. And "hope" does not provide much comfort.

 

[Mico Jones]

LULZ at Golden's DT recruiting coming under fire already. His first class is a total mulligan given how late he was hired and how few commits Shannvo left. Yet he still managed to sign Pierre, who will leave here a high draft pick.

He signed a couple excellent prospects last year too. It's impossible to judge freshman DTs though because they shouldn't even be near the field at that position at such an early stage in their careers.

In addition, don't discount the real possibility of developing some guys recruited at different positions (DE, TE, etc) developing into productive DTs down the road.

We need to have some perspective on the DT position, and I suggest you look to our all time greats for guidance. Can't think of any who dominated as freshman and most of them really turned it on around their third year in the program.

Your posts so far have shown that you are nothing but a shill for Golden.

Although he is not the bufoon that Shannon was he has fallen well short on the DT recruiting trail.

Maybe he gets a break his first year because of circumstance but the need at DT was as desperate last year as it was this year and he still fell very short.

You must make big talented interior defensive lineman your priority if you ever wish to field a good defense and especially if you insist on running No D ofrio's style of defense.

Yet this cycle we have one guy in Bryant(who i'm sure is just hyping up his anouncement for the Army game) in the fold and the others all seem like longshots.

 

[drifters1234]

I don't think we have the whole picture. Next 6 weeks are going to be a ride.

Hope you're right. And certainly, golden is a fantastic CEO who always seems to have second and third legitimate options, unlike the last guy captaining this ship. But the fact that we have not heard any names causes concern. Maybe Keith Bryant is pulling an epic troll job, and golden knows it. But again, that falls into the hoping category.

 

[CaneTillIDie]

Bryant and Bostwick are still very real possibilities. You guys need to calm down

 

[Larry]

Needed an immediate contributor...probably a JUCO...not looking like that'll come in this class.

 

[miamimike]

Not an epic fail if we whiff on DT's this year. Not ideal, don't get me wrong. I feel our LB play will be outstanding along with our secondary play. I feel it comes down to rushing the passer which optimistically I believe will be the most dramatic improvement from last year(and safety play). We have enough at DT(need Porter here). I think Chick will move inside quite a bit. Robinson,Pierre,Moore,Ivery,Grimble,Briscoe,King. Not saying all pan out but enough will. Pass rushers hide a lot of weaknesses and I believe we will bring the heat off the edge in '13.

 

[Odin]

Bryant and Bostwick are still very real possibilities. You guys need to calm down

Yes they are but one just decommitted and the other might have to go prep.Even if they both come and qualify they're still at best 2 years away from starting or making any impact in games.This is why Golden went after 3 of the top JC DTs hoping for 1 of them to come in and instantly improve our DL/defense and unfortunately for us we came up short.

 

[papii]

LSU his leader...

 

[LuCane]

LULZ at Golden's DT recruiting coming under fire already. His first class is a total mulligan given how late he was hired and how few commits Shannvo left. Yet he still managed to sign Pierre, who will leave here a high draft pick.

He signed a couple excellent prospects last year too. It's impossible to judge freshman DTs though because they shouldn't even be near the field at that position at such an early stage in their careers.

In addition, don't discount the real possibility of developing some guys recruited at different positions (DE, TE, etc) developing into productive DTs down the road.

We need to have some perspective on the DT position, and I suggest you look to our all time greats for guidance. Can't think of any who dominated as freshman and most of them really turned it on around their third year in the program.

The specific name here is Jelani Hamilton. I think he slides inside very much like Olsen Pierre. Ideally, as you said, he would have taken a shirt year to realize it'll be impossible for him to stay below 290, and he's most likely a 305 pounder once he full matures. With his long arms and good feet, he may surprise people toward the end of next season, much like Pierre flashed glimpses at the end of this season. I keep repeating that these guys are on the field, being judged, at the same time guys like William Joseph took 2 full seasons (a redshirt and then a year as an unexplosive Dend) to show us flashes at DT.

 

[CANE]

72 Earl Moore DT 6-1 300 Fr Tampa, FL

66 Dequan Ivery DT 6-1 303 Fr Lake City, FL

99 Jelani Hamilton DE/DT 6-5 271 Fr Fort Lauderdale, FL

87 Jacoby Briscoe DT 6-5 312 Fr Lafayette, LA

67 Corey King DT 6-1 292 Fr Boca Raton, FL

92 Jalen Grimble DT/DE 6-2 292 So Las Vegas, NV

91 Olsen Pierre DT 6-4 296 So Rahway, NJ

93 Luther Robinson DT/DE 6-3 290 Jr Fort Pierce, FL

96 Curtis Porter DT 6-1 308 Jr Charlotte, NC

 

[drifters1234]

Bryant and Bostwick are still very real possibilities. You guys need to calm down

"Calm down"? Is someone panicking here? We are expressing legitimate concern about a huge area of need on a recruiting msg board. That Bryant and bostwick may still be "real possibilities" does not alleviate that concern (even assuming it's true with respect to Bryant).

 

[bomb]

I hope so. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the staff can find another Sapp. By that, I mean a little known player that wasn't playing DT in HS. IIRC, Sapp was a TE at Apopka that grew into being a great player. Talent evaluation has gotten a lot better since then, but hope is all we got at this point. That and hoping that the guys that we signed last year can develop

Sapp, Russell Maryland, Ray Lewis (oh, the irony), Mike Sullivan, Santana Moss (and on and on)... all recruits that the staff would have been crucified for taking by the message board "experts" here in the internet age.

 

[Mico Jones]

LULZ at Golden's DT recruiting coming under fire already. His first class is a total mulligan given how late he was hired and how few commits Shannvo left. Yet he still managed to sign Pierre, who will leave here a high draft pick.

He signed a couple excellent prospects last year too. It's impossible to judge freshman DTs though because they shouldn't even be near the field at that position at such an early stage in their careers.

In addition, don't discount the real possibility of developing some guys recruited at different positions (DE, TE, etc) developing into productive DTs down the road.

We need to have some perspective on the DT position, and I suggest you look to our all time greats for guidance. Can't think of any who dominated as freshman and most of them really turned it on around their third year in the program.

The specific name here is Jelani Hamilton. I think he slides inside very much like Olsen Pierre. Ideally, as you said, he would have taken a shirt year to realize it'll be impossible for him to stay below 290, and he's most likely a 305 pounder once he full matures. With his long arms and good feet, he may surprise people toward the end of next season, much like Pierre flashed glimpses at the end of this season. I keep repeating that these guys are on the field, being judged, at the same time guys like William Joseph took 2 full seasons (a redshirt and then a year as an unexplosive Dend) to show us flashes at DT.

Jelani is best suited as a strong side 4-3 IMO. But yes he can bulk up and be a solid 3-4.

That being said a great defensive line doesn't only need one or two impact guys but a bunch of quality depth as well.

Enough with all this developement stuff. How many these guys to you think are really going to develop into something above average to special? And even then the good ones always show flashes instantly.

You could see Jelani's burst this past year with as little as he played. Who else on the squad shows that kind size/strength ratio with quick twitch explosion off the line to play the interior? Plus there are guys like Marvin Austin that ball from the get go.

Who's going to man the nose then Porter is gone. The nose(3 technique) is the absolutely most important position for this style of defense. Ivery? Corey King?

And what does any of that have to do with Golden's inability to pull in young studs last cycle and this one up to now?

If we have to wait til next year for a couple of impact making interior linemen and if they need 2 years to develope what is that going to say about our defense in the next couple of years even with all the young LB and DB talent we have?

 

[Mico Jones]

Bryant and Bostwick are still very real possibilities. You guys need to calm down

"Calm down"? Is someone panicking here? We are expressing legitimate concern about a huge area of need on a recruiting msg board. That Bryant and bostwick may still be "real possibilities" does not alleviate that concern (even assuming it's true with respect to Bryant).

This. Golden still has til NSD to change the script but until now its a legitimate concern.

BTW, again, I think Bryant is in the bag. Dude will be our big Army AA game commit.

 

[The Franchise]

LULZ at Golden's DT recruiting coming under fire already. His first class is a total mulligan given how late he was hired and how few commits Shannvo left. Yet he still managed to sign Pierre, who will leave here a high draft pick.

He signed a couple excellent prospects last year too. It's impossible to judge freshman DTs though because they shouldn't even be near the field at that position at such an early stage in their careers.

In addition, don't discount the real possibility of developing some guys recruited at different positions (DE, TE, etc) developing into productive DTs down the road.

We need to have some perspective on the DT position, and I suggest you look to our all time greats for guidance. Can't think of any who dominated as freshman and most of them really turned it on around their third year in the program.

Your posts so far have shown that you are nothing but a shill for Golden.

Although he is not the bufoon that Shannon was he has fallen well short on the DT recruiting trail.

Maybe he gets a break his first year because of circumstance but the need at DT was as desperate last year as it was this year and he still fell very short.

You must make big talented interior defensive lineman your priority if you ever wish to field a good defense and especially if you insist on running No D ofrio's style of defense.

Yet this cycle we have one guy in Bryant(who i'm sure is just hyping up his anouncement for the Army game) in the fold and the others all seem like longshots.

And your posts have shown me you have no understanding of the time it takes to develop quality Dlinemen, especially on the interior of the DL. On the outside, look at a guy like McCord, who was physically overmatched this year but showed flashes. You think he's going to be a player in 2 years? I do. If that makes me a Golden shill, then I'm happy to be one.

We got guys on here whining about missing on Eddie Goldman. What did Eddie do this year that Earl Moore didn't do? What did he do that anyone on our DL didn't do? I know it makes guys feel like they're smart when they're pessimistic, but I'll just stick with the facts.

 

[The Franchise]

Not an epic fail if we whiff on DT's this year. Not ideal, don't get me wrong. I feel our LB play will be outstanding along with our secondary play. I feel it comes down to rushing the passer which optimistically I believe will be the most dramatic improvement from last year(and safety play). We have enough at DT(need Porter here). I think Chick will move inside quite a bit. Robinson,Pierre,Moore,Ivery,Grimble,Briscoe,King. Not saying all pan out but enough will. Pass rushers hide a lot of weaknesses and I believe we will bring the heat off the edge in '13.

Good post. Al stated that pass rusher and finding another rb were his two main priorities in this class. He even mentioned LB. He didn't even get into DT even though most fans think that's the biggest hole. Our lack of pass rush absolutely killed our defense last year.

 

[The Franchise]

LULZ at Golden's DT recruiting coming under fire already. His first class is a total mulligan given how late he was hired and how few commits Shannvo left. Yet he still managed to sign Pierre, who will leave here a high draft pick.

He signed a couple excellent prospects last year too. It's impossible to judge freshman DTs though because they shouldn't even be near the field at that position at such an early stage in their careers.

In addition, don't discount the real possibility of developing some guys recruited at different positions (DE, TE, etc) developing into productive DTs down the road.

We need to have some perspective on the DT position, and I suggest you look to our all time greats for guidance. Can't think of any who dominated as freshman and most of them really turned it on around their third year in the program.

The specific name here is Jelani Hamilton. I think he slides inside very much like Olsen Pierre. Ideally, as you said, he would have taken a shirt year to realize it'll be impossible for him to stay below 290, and he's most likely a 305 pounder once he full matures. With his long arms and good feet, he may surprise people toward the end of next season, much like Pierre flashed glimpses at the end of this season. I keep repeating that these guys are on the field, being judged, at the same time guys like William Joseph took 2 full seasons (a redshirt and then a year as an unexplosive Dend) to show us flashes at DT.

I've been repeating that same thing, but dudes get way too impatient. Their impatience blinds them from reality, and the reality is DTs don't just walk in and dominate unless they're named Tommie Harris. All of our great DTs haven't been great until they've been here for a couple years at least. Most didn't even have to sniff the field until their 3rd year in the program. Unfortunately, horrific recruiting on the DL by Shanntard has forced Al to play a bunch of babies on the DL who clearly weren't ready to play.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

I've been repeating that same thing, but dudes get way too impatient. Their impatience blinds them from reality, and the reality is DTs don't just walk in and dominate unless they're named Tommie Harris. All of our great DTs haven't been great until they've been here for a couple years at least. Most didn't even have to sniff the field until their 3rd year in the program. Unfortunately, horrific recruiting on the DL by Shanntard has forced Al to play a bunch of babies on the DL who clearly weren't ready to play.

Correctamundo. I can't think of a true freshman DT coming in and dominating other than him. That was what, 2001?