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[Larry]

Larry, both Jelani and McCord would qualify as lauded preps. Second Pierre was only 2 years removed from HS when he showed flashes this year. I agree that there is concern regarding recruiting along the DL, you just cant deny that, but I dont think it is as bad as you make it out to be. Going back to Pierre, we will get a better idea of what we really have with him this year as most DTs dont have a significant jump in performance til about their third year.

But, neither are DTs.

Lets not overstate Pierre's "flashes".

So what do you think Pierre will become?

I've stated before...potentially an All-Conference mention...not a first teamer or anything, but a guy who could garner some votes...he can be good, but a guy with a ceiling.

 

[LuCane]

Larry, both Jelani and McCord would qualify as lauded preps. Second Pierre was only 2 years removed from HS when he showed flashes this year. I agree that there is concern regarding recruiting along the DL, you just cant deny that, but I dont think it is as bad as you make it out to be. Going back to Pierre, we will get a better idea of what we really have with him this year as most DTs dont have a significant jump in performance til about their third year.

But, neither are DTs.

Lets not overstate Pierre's "flashes".

So what do you think Pierre will become?

I've stated before...potentially an All-Conference mention...not a first teamer or anything, but a guy who could garner some votes...he can be good, but a guy with a ceiling.

I hadn't seen your previous statements. What do you think his draft ceiling is?

 

[Larry]

No one is moving the goal posts. This class needed a Keith Bryant and/or a JuCo guy. I wouldn't really talk about his first class.

The relevant point to that, which is what is being discussed, is whether or not there is an impact DT on the roster that hasn't developed. Personally, I think Pierre may be that guy. I think we'll find out more next year and then on draft day in April of 2014.

I care nothing about draft prospectus...I care about collegiate production...draft position isn't about what you've done, its about what you will do...

As for impact DTs on the roster, its my assumption we have potential contributors, guys who will be good collegiate players, but no guys that project as legitimate impact defensive tackles. The All-American, the Lombardi, the Bednarik Award finalist, the legitimate, unanimous first-team All-Conference player...we need to get those guys and we haven't done it yet, and this class, in December, doesn't have one...even if it does get a Keith Bryant, that defensive tackle prospect won't project to that level for at least 3 years down the road. Meanwhile, Miami's going to continue struggling on defense to an extent because it lacks these types of players.

I said we'll find out more this year. The mention of his draft status was a reference to future validation that he's "the" talent we're discussing.

Aside from that, wasn't Jelani a 4* and wasn't Mccord a 4*? Ideally, they'd both have taken shirts and grown into their natural positions/impact, but if we see flashes from them this upcoming year and/or the next, don't they fit into the category you seek? Another point is that there are a slew of 2* and 3* guys that ball out - impact in college - later in their career. Are we writing off Ivery, King (despite being a Buddha on Wheels this year), and Moore already? Would it be that hard to believe that one of those guys makes a jump 2-3 years into college?

What's weird is some of you guys are making this into the rest of us saying we don't need further help...immediately. Obviously, we do. I just don't think it's as dire as it is being made out to be.

As I mentioned, Hamilton and McCord aren't DTs, which is really, what this thread is about.

As for the mention development...Miami should be in win-now mode...this team skipped two bowl games under Golden, so, once we are free and clear of the Bowl bans, we should be seeing this team play in significant football games.

And, sure, some guys develop, but those should be considered "nice surprises" moreover banking anything on them, especially this early in their career. Personally, I think Moore is the best of the bunch, but he's got a ceiling.

As for how dire the situation is...I disagree...I think it is need #1...pass rushers coming in #2 before a big drop off elsewhere.

#1 I think Hamilton ends up a DT here. Whether he was recruited to play there or not, Golden's comments indicate that it wasn't exactly a surprise that he may outgrow the DE position.

Guess we just disagree about priorities. I think we're worse off on the edge than we are inside (unless Porter leaves). And, you know how important I think DT is to a defense.

He's got some body re-composition he needs to go through before he ends up as a DT. Plus, a lot of technique work. He doesn't have the anchor to play on the inside, IMO.

As for priorities...you got a 5* Chickillo, 4* McCord, 4* Hamilton, locally lauded high-end 3* Hoilett, the fan favorite Terry as a "pass rusher" while standing up, landed JUCO Devante Bond, this Figueroa kid looks like a presence getting into the backfield, we look like we're in good position for Matthew Thomas...I think DE (or, our ability to get into the backfield from the edge / pass rushing) is a in a better spot and reflects the discussion and examples of high end preps making the jump than the discussion involving DTs had, which, as of right now, is filled with a bunch of bodies.

 

[Larry]

Larry, both Jelani and McCord would qualify as lauded preps. Second Pierre was only 2 years removed from HS when he showed flashes this year. I agree that there is concern regarding recruiting along the DL, you just cant deny that, but I dont think it is as bad as you make it out to be. Going back to Pierre, we will get a better idea of what we really have with him this year as most DTs dont have a significant jump in performance til about their third year.

But, neither are DTs.

Lets not overstate Pierre's "flashes".

So what do you think Pierre will become?

I've stated before...potentially an All-Conference mention...not a first teamer or anything, but a guy who could garner some votes...he can be good, but a guy with a ceiling.

I hadn't seen your previous statements. What do you think his draft ceiling is?

Way too early to tell.

 

[LuCane]

I care nothing about draft prospectus...I care about collegiate production...draft position isn't about what you've done, its about what you will do...

As for impact DTs on the roster, its my assumption we have potential contributors, guys who will be good collegiate players, but no guys that project as legitimate impact defensive tackles. The All-American, the Lombardi, the Bednarik Award finalist, the legitimate, unanimous first-team All-Conference player...we need to get those guys and we haven't done it yet, and this class, in December, doesn't have one...even if it does get a Keith Bryant, that defensive tackle prospect won't project to that level for at least 3 years down the road. Meanwhile, Miami's going to continue struggling on defense to an extent because it lacks these types of players.

I said we'll find out more this year. The mention of his draft status was a reference to future validation that he's "the" talent we're discussing.

Aside from that, wasn't Jelani a 4* and wasn't Mccord a 4*? Ideally, they'd both have taken shirts and grown into their natural positions/impact, but if we see flashes from them this upcoming year and/or the next, don't they fit into the category you seek? Another point is that there are a slew of 2* and 3* guys that ball out - impact in college - later in their career. Are we writing off Ivery, King (despite being a Buddha on Wheels this year), and Moore already? Would it be that hard to believe that one of those guys makes a jump 2-3 years into college?

What's weird is some of you guys are making this into the rest of us saying we don't need further help...immediately. Obviously, we do. I just don't think it's as dire as it is being made out to be.

As I mentioned, Hamilton and McCord aren't DTs, which is really, what this thread is about.

As for the mention development...Miami should be in win-now mode...this team skipped two bowl games under Golden, so, once we are free and clear of the Bowl bans, we should be seeing this team play in significant football games.

And, sure, some guys develop, but those should be considered "nice surprises" moreover banking anything on them, especially this early in their career. Personally, I think Moore is the best of the bunch, but he's got a ceiling.

As for how dire the situation is...I disagree...I think it is need #1...pass rushers coming in #2 before a big drop off elsewhere.

#1 I think Hamilton ends up a DT here. Whether he was recruited to play there or not, Golden's comments indicate that it wasn't exactly a surprise that he may outgrow the DE position.

Guess we just disagree about priorities. I think we're worse off on the edge than we are inside (unless Porter leaves). And, you know how important I think DT is to a defense.

He's got some body re-composition he needs to go through before he ends up as a DT. Plus, a lot of technique work. He doesn't have the anchor to play on the inside, IMO.

As for priorities...you got a 5* Chickillo, 4* McCord, 4* Hamilton, locally lauded high-end 3* Hoilett, the fan favorite Terry as a "pass rusher" while standing up, landed JUCO Devante Bond, this Figueroa kid looks like a presence getting into the backfield, we look like we're in good position for Matthew Thomas...I think DE (or, our ability to get into the backfield from the edge / pass rushing) is a in a better spot and reflects the discussion and examples of high end preps making the jump than the discussion involving DTs had, which, as of right now, is filled with a bunch of bodies.

- We know what we're getting out of "5*" Chickillo. He's not going to set the world on fire here or make a random explosion (pun intended). He'll look better with better players around him.
- Mccord needs to gain 30 pounds. Straight up. We're counting on him and next year's defense partly hinges on him, but he needs to gain 30 pounds. That's a lot.
- Hamilton is still skinny in the ***. That's why guys like him should be redshirted. Pierre had some of the same issues and made a nice leap in his second year. It may not happen next year in the early part, but I still suspect Hamilton is a DT here.
- Hoilett is obviously a work in progress. If you cite him, you have to feel decent about a guy like Earl Moore, no? He's as much a "body" as the guys you're seemingly writing off as JAGs.
- Terry? Really? If he's going to be an edge guy, please get that man a redshirt and some roids. He's as much a "body" as an edge guy as Moore, Ivery and King are "bodies" at DT.
- Bond weighed 220 pounds recently and I'll have to see him with his hand in the ground.
- Figueroa is a LB. His presence in the backfield is unlikely to come with his hand on the ground.
- Matthew Thomas may be the most talented prospect in the state, but he's not going to consistently play with his hand in teh ground, and he still needs to gain a bunch of weight anyway. He's a projection as well.

So, what do you have?

Chickillo.
Mccord who needs to gain a bunch of weight.
A guy who is moving away from a DE skillset.
An unknown "body."
A bunch of light guys who can't necessarily be counted on to play the edge consistently (if at all).

If Porter stays, with Pierre, Robinson and 1-2 of the Frosh, I feel a lot better about their production, depth and consistency.

 

[rudebuddha]

Jelani is best suited as a strong side 4-3 IMO. But yes he can bulk up and be a solid 3-4.

That being said a great defensive line doesn't only need one or two impact guys but a bunch of quality depth as well.

Enough with all this developement stuff. How many these guys to you think are really going to develop into something above average to special? And even then the good ones always show flashes instantly.

You could see Jelani's burst this past year with as little as he played. Who else on the squad shows that kind size/strength ratio with quick twitch explosion off the line to play the interior? Plus there are guys like Marvin Austin that ball from the get go.

Who's going to man the nose then Porter is gone. The nose(3 technique) is the absolutely most important position for this style of defense. Ivery? Corey King?

And what does any of that have to do with Golden's inability to pull in young studs last cycle and this one up to now?

If we have to wait til next year for a couple of impact making interior linemen and if they need 2 years to develope what is that going to say about our defense in the next couple of years even with all the young LB and DB talent we have?

I suspect it will be either Ivery, Moore or Bryant (if he comes aboard).

Your comment re: "enough with development" is tough to understand. There are countless examples of Frosh interior linemen who developed over a few (meaning 2-3) seasons.

Let's take a look:

2012 NFL Draft

Dontari Poe - #11 Overall (1st Round) - 2star prospect by Rivals and Scout.com; REDSHIRTED his first year; only got 6 starts in his RS Frosh year, which was his second year in college; 27 tackles total that year; became a consistent starter his 3rd year in college.

Fletcher Cox - #12 Overall (1st Round) - DEFENSIVE END coming out of HS; played in 12 games as a true frosh, but only started in 4 games; started 11 games as a Sophomore, before leaving as a Junior.

Derrick Wolfe - #36 overall (2nd Round) - 2 star recruit by Rivals.com; 0 starts as a freshman; played as a backup in half the games; made 13 starts as a sophomore; put it all together as a Senior to be the co-big east defensive player of the year.

Kendall Reyes - #49 overall (2nd Round) - Played defensive End in high school; 6' 4" 220 pound recruit; 2 star recruit on scout; REDSHIRTED; started in 4 games as a RS Frosh (2nd year of college); took hold of a DT position and started 12 games as a RS Sophomore (3rd year on college), ala William Joseph; put it all together as a junior, in 2010, and was a first team all-conference player.

Jerel Worthy - #51 overall (2nd Round) - 2 star recruit on Scout.com and 78th best defensive tackle as a HS recruit; REDSHIRTED; started 11 games as a RS Frosh (2nd year of college); put it all together in his third year of college, starting 13 games and earning some All-American honors.

Devon Still - #53 overall (2nd Round) - 4 star recruit on Scout.com; REDSHIRTED; tore his knee his second year; debut was in 2008 (his 3rd year in college); put it all together as a 5th year senior, where he started 12 games and made all-conference.

You're a smart guy, so you can add all that up and discuss reasonably. Those are the DTs selected in the first 2 rounds of the last NFL draft:

- 4 of 6 took redshirts
- earliest impact was made in 2nd year of college
- 4 of 6 were 2 star recruits

Development of interior DLinemen is the name of the game.

Lmao I can play that game too and show you ones that did it early on.

Again there was Marvin Austin, Dequan Bowers, Jadaveon Clowney, MArcel Dareus all instant impact freshmen.

Guys like Louis Nix and Shariff Floyd, Timmy Jernigan, Jacoby Mcdanniel all saw some snaps as freshmen and showed flashes.

What about the JCs we missed out on? They don't generally need 2 years to develop.

Again, who on our current roster with 2 years of "U Tough" will play the 3 technique?

Why are you laughing your *** off? I didn't selectively choose players. I picked the most recent draft and chose all the players selected in the first two rounds. If you can't have a reasonable discussion, there's no point to engaging you.

And, I answered your question in my first post.

I sure as **** can LMAO. You are rationalizing. The fact is that there is no way anyone can feel comfortable about the future of our interior DL. Right now its merely a hope and a prayer. Oh and

A - You picked one NFL draft
B - What about the ton of good college football players that don't end up being high NFL draft picks.

And no. You didn't answer the question. Jelani Hamilton is a maybe to be an effective 3 technique. Who else?

Who's the nose tackle double team eater?

Again you all miss the point.

There's way too many questions for us to only have one DT in tow at this point(Bryant) and nothing else locked down.

What if we only pick up Bryant. Will you feel good about the future of our interior DL?

Do you feel good about our interior DL?

Do you feel as good about our interior DL as you do about say the DBs, LBs or other side of the ball?

Man, you have to chill out a bit.

First off we are not a base 3-4 defense but a 4-3 so the nose tackle position you say we lack is a supplementary position and not a regular one. You said, who's going to replace Porter? Well, Porter is still on the team. He hasn't gone anywhere and he's not a nose tackle anyway.
Plus, he was replaced all year long since he hardly played.
We have 8 DT's on the roster next year. 2 of them seniors. We will have8-10 DE's on the roster next year.
You do know that we normally only play 4 d linemen at once right?
All our current young players are going to get better. Are they going to be the best in College Football History?
Probably not, but if they all work out like we know they are going to and get bigger, stronger and faster they will be better.
How much better who knows?
If our whole Defense gets one step better then we will be just fine. By one step I mean the linemen get one more step closer to the qb or ball carrier, our lb's 1 step closer to the tackle and our db's one step closer to the ball when it is in the air.
You might scoff and say, "that's too much to ask."
Is it?
If a year of intense training both physically and mentally doesn't make every D player better at their respective positions then recruiting is the least of our problems. A year of experience after being thrown to the wolves is going to make all our freshmen much better.
Remember Brandon Harris? The 5 star recruit who started as a freshman and looked lost, and became a serious player as a sophomore after understanding what it takes to be an impact player.

Again chill out all of you doomsayers. A year of development is going to help our whole defense.
One step at a time. We become a top 50 defense next year, we will be winning the ACC with the offense we bring back.

 

[AlexCane]

Lu, I disagree about Hamilton to DT. Seen him on several occasions and his lower body just isn't prototypical for a DT. In other words, he's way too skinny below the waist. I agree with Larry that he needs to improve body composition. Very "top heavy" - at least last time I saw him.

 

[The Franchise]

I care nothing about draft prospectus...I care about collegiate production...draft position isn't about what you've done, its about what you will do...

As for impact DTs on the roster, its my assumption we have potential contributors, guys who will be good collegiate players, but no guys that project as legitimate impact defensive tackles. The All-American, the Lombardi, the Bednarik Award finalist, the legitimate, unanimous first-team All-Conference player...we need to get those guys and we haven't done it yet, and this class, in December, doesn't have one...even if it does get a Keith Bryant, that defensive tackle prospect won't project to that level for at least 3 years down the road. Meanwhile, Miami's going to continue struggling on defense to an extent because it lacks these types of players.

Larry, no one would have thought Nick Fairley and Ndamokong Suh were All American, Lombardi types after their first couple years of college football either. We really need to see how those guys develop before we can make statements like you're making.

Suh was a 4 star DT. I agree we really need to see how these guys develop so long as we are still recruiting the sh*t out of the position until we find a rotation of studs.

Right now we aren't doing that. And that's the real point.

I don't care how many stars Suh had. He didn't do anything till his junior season, which was his 4th year in the program. Before that, he was a jag.

Nuff said.

You just proved you don't know WTF you are talking about and you obviously didn't follow Suhs entire career.

Boy showed flashes of dominance from the get. He was besdting already as a So. He was the best Dt in the country by year 3.

OK

 

[Crispy]

I don't think anyone is expecting any our guys to be a Wilfork at this point, but I would like to know if the DTs we have (or are looking at) are going to at least occupy blocks and stop the run. I'd love to see guys create some pressure from the DT spot, but I'll be happy if our 118th ranked D can at least get to the 60 range this upcoming season. Is Bryant the only potential impact guy left with a realistic chance of being a Cane? Otherwise, do you see any of these current Cane DTs being able to at least hold their own and keep guys like Notre Dame's "Rudy" from marching down the field in 2013?

 

[Canesfan1899]

I would love to move Hamilton to DT this off-season and give him time to put on weight and take it from there. If he needs more time then Redshirt him and let him gain some weight and time to get stronger in the lower body.

 

[LuCane]

Lu, I disagree about Hamilton to DT. Seen him on several occasions and his lower body just isn't prototypical for a DT. In other words, he's way too skinny below the waist. I agree with Larry that he needs to improve body composition. Very "top heavy" - at least last time I saw him.

I mentioned above he's still a bit skinny in the ***, but my prediction is he'll make the transition. Vamos a ver.

 

[DiegoCane]

I care nothing about draft prospectus...I care about collegiate production...draft position isn't about what you've done, its about what you will do...

As for impact DTs on the roster, its my assumption we have potential contributors, guys who will be good collegiate players, but no guys that project as legitimate impact defensive tackles. The All-American, the Lombardi, the Bednarik Award finalist, the legitimate, unanimous first-team All-Conference player...we need to get those guys and we haven't done it yet, and this class, in December, doesn't have one...even if it does get a Keith Bryant, that defensive tackle prospect won't project to that level for at least 3 years down the road. Meanwhile, Miami's going to continue struggling on defense to an extent because it lacks these types of players.

Larry, no one would have thought Nick Fairley and Ndamokong Suh were All American, Lombardi types after their first couple years of college football either. We really need to see how those guys develop before we can make statements like you're making.

Suh was a 4 star DT. I agree we really need to see how these guys develop so long as we are still recruiting the sh*t out of the position until we find a rotation of studs.

Right now we aren't doing that. And that's the real point.

I don't care how many stars Suh had. He didn't do anything till his junior season, which was his 4th year in the program. Before that, he was a jag.

Nuff said.

You just proved you don't know WTF you are talking about and you obviously didn't follow Suhs entire career.

Boy showed flashes of dominance from the get. He was besdting already as a So. He was the best Dt in the country by year 3.

FWIW, that's not true. His 3rd year (RS So) he started 11 or 12 and had 34 tackles, 1 sack, 6 TFL (best DT in the country?).

His 4th year is when he really took the jump, 76 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 19 TFL. He then exploded his 5th year, 85 tackles, 12 sacks, 24 TFL.

 

[AUcane]

Lu, I disagree about Hamilton to DT. Seen him on several occasions and his lower body just isn't prototypical for a DT. In other words, he's way too skinny below the waist. I agree with Larry that he needs to improve body composition. Very "top heavy" - at least last time I saw him.

Real talk - you saying he's a fat skinny guy?

 

[The Franchise]

Larry, no one would have thought Nick Fairley and Ndamokong Suh were All American, Lombardi types after their first couple years of college football either. We really need to see how those guys develop before we can make statements like you're making.

Suh was a 4 star DT. I agree we really need to see how these guys develop so long as we are still recruiting the sh*t out of the position until we find a rotation of studs.

Right now we aren't doing that. And that's the real point.

I don't care how many stars Suh had. He didn't do anything till his junior season, which was his 4th year in the program. Before that, he was a jag.

Nuff said.

You just proved you don't know WTF you are talking about and you obviously didn't follow Suhs entire career.

Boy showed flashes of dominance from the get. He was besdting already as a So. He was the best Dt in the country by year 3.

FWIW, that's not true. His 3rd year (RS So) he started 11 or 12 and had 34 tackles, 1 sack, 6 TFL (best DT in the country?).

His 4th year is when he really took the jump, 76 tackles, 7.5 sacks, 19 TFL. He then exploded his 5th year, 85 tackles, 12 sacks, 24 TFL.

Thanks. I made a resolution when I came over here to give up when guys are obviously heel-digging to the point where they start making stuff up. It's useless to carry on debating with guys like that, and I'm not going to get sucked into that sort of vortex. Notice how he conveniently glossed over all the other guys where I showed him his fallacious process? He said Louis Nix was making plays as a freshman, and Nix didn't even see the field for a snap as a freshman. LULZ.

 

[LuCane]

Lu, I disagree about Hamilton to DT. Seen him on several occasions and his lower body just isn't prototypical for a DT. In other words, he's way too skinny below the waist. I agree with Larry that he needs to improve body composition. Very "top heavy" - at least last time I saw him.

Real talk - you saying he's a fat skinny guy?

Haha. I think he's saying he's not a dude with a big *** + thighs, which is what limits, as Larry noted, his ability to drop and anchor. I'm not gonna project this dude's growth in that area, so I'll just wait and see what happens over the next year. He's the type of guy who'd probably need to wait till year 3. And, I guess the fair point is that we need DTs right now.

 

[NY Shyne]

Earl Moore will eat people's souls next season!

 

[AUcane]

Lu, I disagree about Hamilton to DT. Seen him on several occasions and his lower body just isn't prototypical for a DT. In other words, he's way too skinny below the waist. I agree with Larry that he needs to improve body composition. Very "top heavy" - at least last time I saw him.

Real talk - you saying he's a fat skinny guy?

Haha. I think he's saying he's not a dude with a big *** + thighs, which is what limits, as Larry noted, his ability to drop and anchor. I'm not gonna project this dude's growth in that area, so I'll just wait and see what happens over the next year. He's the type of guy who'd probably need to wait till year 3. And, I guess the fair point is that we need DTs right now.

Yeah that's what I've heard but I thought a while back Alex also mentioned that Hamilton has very little definition in his upper body - soft, as it were.

 

[The Franchise]

Lu, I disagree about Hamilton to DT. Seen him on several occasions and his lower body just isn't prototypical for a DT. In other words, he's way too skinny below the waist. I agree with Larry that he needs to improve body composition. Very "top heavy" - at least last time I saw him.

Real talk - you saying he's a fat skinny guy?

Haha. I think he's saying he's not a dude with a big *** + thighs, which is what limits, as Larry noted, his ability to drop and anchor. I'm not gonna project this dude's growth in that area, so I'll just wait and see what happens over the next year. He's the type of guy who'd probably need to wait till year 3. And, I guess the fair point is that we need DTs right now.

Yeah that's what I've heard but I thought a while back Alex also mentioned that Hamilton has very little definition in his upper body - soft, as it were.

Nick Fairley and Warren Fapp have never been mistaken for Lee Haney.

 

[The Franchise]

Earl Moore will eat people's souls next season!

I'm excited to see that dude develop. For the guys claiming there are no impact DTs on the roster, they're going to be surprised at the metamorphosis many of these dudes undergo over the next few years.

 

[AlexCane]

Lu, I disagree about Hamilton to DT. Seen him on several occasions and his lower body just isn't prototypical for a DT. In other words, he's way too skinny below the waist. I agree with Larry that he needs to improve body composition. Very "top heavy" - at least last time I saw him.

Real talk - you saying he's a fat skinny guy?

Haha. I think he's saying he's not a dude with a big *** + thighs, which is what limits, as Larry noted, his ability to drop and anchor. I'm not gonna project this dude's growth in that area, so I'll just wait and see what happens over the next year. He's the type of guy who'd probably need to wait till year 3. And, I guess the fair point is that we need DTs right now.

Yeah that's what I've heard but I thought a while back Alex also mentioned that Hamilton has very little definition in his upper body - soft, as it were.

I was being political.

Yup, you could categorize him as a skinny fat guy. Physically, he doesn't look like much; and I understand that looks doesn't necessarily translate into on-field abilities, but I would like to see him improve body composition. He needs to get bigger and stronger, regardless whether you think he's a DT or DE. The knee injury in HS and probably sitting out certainly didn't help him. (I'm sure he wasn't enjoying a diet of tuna, grass-fed meat, sweet potatoes, eggs and water.)