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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

CaneinBroward said:
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Everybody waiting to see what is going to happen with FSU / Clemson ... the ACC and ESPN. Not much to discuss until the next hearing. Lot of people speculated the ACC would be amenable to negotiating some sort of settlement but ... not yet. Discovery information could be pretty interesting.
 
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Tony4Canes said:
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Again, unintended consequences. These networks & conferences have been fixated on CFB, not realizing Collegiate Athletics is waaaaaaaay more than simply CFB. Choking off collegiate sports, in general, & putting schools that don’t have the resources as big time schools at a severe disadvantage, even though their programs rely on CFB & produce professional athletes, as well.

Just completely mismanaged across the board, & these networks have been mishandling & mismanaging chit for yrs on the local side. Corporations are ran by greedy imbeciles no matter the sector.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Again, unintended consequences. These networks & conferences have been fixated on CFB, not realizing Collegiate Athletics is waaaaaaaay more than simply CFB. Choking off collegiate sports, in general, & putting schools that don’t have the resources as big time schools at a severe disadvantage, even though their programs rely on CFB & produce professional athletes, as well.

Just completely mismanaged across the board, & these networks have been mishandling & mismanaging chit for yrs on the local side. Corporations are ran by greedy imbeciles no matter the sector.
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You nailed it. I'll add that most athletic depts are not profitable anyway. But now they're on the hook for around 22 million per year because of the House settlement. It'll be hard on most athletic depts but those from the group of 5 are in serious trouble. And they're publically stating as much. Most of that TV revenue won't be going to players or schools.

Since there's no guidance, nobody knows if that settlement money will have be distributed evenly due to Title IX. Which is going to be controversial either way. But if it DOES fall under Title IX its going to lead to athletic depts being gutted.

A lot of schools are thiiiiis close to killing off all men's teams that aren't profitable, and keeping the bare minimum number of women's teams needed to remain Title IX compliant.

If one school cuts everything but football, basketball and the bare minimum number of women's sports, players will get a bigger slice of that 22 million than they would at a school offering 30 sports.

Gutting athletic depts to reduce spending, cut costs. Sounds an awful lot like private equity.
 
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SCarolina Ibis said:
You nailed it. I'll add that most athletic depts are not profitable anyway. But now they're on the hook for around 22 million per year because of the House settlement. It'll be hard on most athletic depts but those from the group of 5 are in serious trouble. And they're publically stating as much. Most of that TV revenue won't be going to players or schools.

Since there's no guidance, nobody knows if that settlement money will have be distributed evenly due to Title IX. Which is going to be controversial either way. But if it DOES fall under Title IX its going to lead to athletic depts being gutted.

A lot of schools are thiiiiis close to killing off all men's teams that aren't profitable, and keeping the bare minimum number of women's teams needed to remain Title IX compliant.

If one school cuts everything but football, basketball and the bare minimum number of women's sports, players will get a bigger slice of that 22 million than they would at a school offering 30 sports.

Gutting athletic depts to reduce spending, cut costs. Sounds an awful lot like private equity.
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Yep, totally agree.

Also, I once had a convo w/ my cousin (who’s a retired sports agent, & a former lawyer used in the NBA PA) regarding college athletics several yrs ago.

He’s a Northwestern Alum, & we talked about how CFB FBS needed to re-align into its own entity. It was quite simple b/c FBS is not under the NCAA as far as operations or championships. The NCAA regulates the recruiting/academic side, but that’s about it.

There were easy solutions to all of this, but inept, myopic views from ADs, to Conference Commissioners, to TV Networks (puppet masters), to The NCAA, to Congress allll led to this, & alllllll were apart of this, now, kangaroo court.

-Foresight in 2014 when the proposal of the CFP came out would’ve broke off the P5 into 5 regional sectors (North, South, East, West, Midwest) for its own Nat’l Championship, while the G5 schools would’ve played for the NCAA D1 Championship, FCS played for the NCAA D1-A Championship, & so forth. Those P5’s would’ve still been conference affiliated for all other sports, thus limiting travel expense for the non-revenue sports.

-Foresight in 2009 when the whole NIL situation came up would’ve had NCAA leadership mediate w/ O’Bannon, & then put in proper guidelines stipulating that recruits/student athletes can now earn money from sold player jerseys, tv ads, sponsorships, signed memorabilia, usage in any marketing campaigns from a school or outside entity; but, illegal payments made by outside parties in recruiting efforts are prohibited and will be punitive for the University involved.

-Foresight in 2006 when the transfer rules began to be questioned easily could’ve been addressed with guidelines: Players, who academically qualify, can transfer without penalty as a 1st time transfer, a graduate transfer, medical/family emergency, and/or a HC either leaves or gets fired for any reason. If a player transfers twice as a non grad transfer, & the above criteria is not met, must sit out half the year. If a player transfers thrice or more as a non grad transfer and the above criteria is not met, must sit out a full season before qualifying.

-Foresight in 2006 when media deals start taking off would’ve had conferences negotiating fair market deals based upon conference size, team value, market share, viability, & marketability. The PAC-12 & ACC negotiated god-awful deals based upon championships, market share, & viability during this time frame.

-Foresight in 2021 by Congress would’ve said the NCAA has no right to limit a student athlete’s ability to make money off their NIL, but the parameters involving boosters or entities under the guise of legitimate businesses, but are boosters to pay for play still are under the jurisdiction of the NCAA’s Governing Body along w/ all academic eligibilities.

-Foresight regarding Title IX would’ve made sure appropriate funding was set aside as an expense (since most female sports are non revenue generators) to ensure Universities are in compliance.

I can go on & on about how none involved thought about tomorrow, & I’ve noticed this trend w/ many so called leaders. They’re surrounded by yes men & women who don’t think about domino effects. None thoroughly vet things through, or they get blinded by the $$; worst yet, many can’t forecast to save their lives. They can’t see the future even with the future is right in front of them. That’s y so many “name brand” businesses, staples in the community go out of business; & that’s y u’re seeing this current bull chit w/in college athletics, w name brand conferences going out of business.
 
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The only thing I didn't agree with people on the net is when they, we all get out. People would say they can leave anytime they want. No, unless they are paying $700 mill. they aren't or 8 teams walk together. The whole reason for the case. Everyone is still getting out, but if it takes the case and not ESPN announcing in Feb., it will be awhile. I think it is almost a year until the case actually starts. Come on ESPN.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Yep, totally agree.

Also, I once had a convo w/ my cousin (who’s a retired sports agent, & a former lawyer used in the NBA PA) regarding college athletics several yrs ago.

He’s a Northwestern Alum, & we talked about how CFB FBS needed to re-align into its own entity. It was quite simple b/c FBS is not under the NCAA as far as operations or championships. The NCAA regulates the recruiting/academic side, but that’s about it.

There were easy solutions to all of this, but inept, myopic views from ADs, to Conference Commissioners, to TV Networks (puppet masters), to The NCAA, to Congress allll led to this, & alllllll were apart of this, now, kangaroo court.

-Foresight in 2014 when the proposal of the CFP came out would’ve broke off the P5 into 5 regional sectors (North, South, East, West, Midwest) for its own Nat’l Championship, while the G5 schools would’ve played for the NCAA D1 Championship, FCS played for the NCAA D1-A Championship, & so forth. Those P5’s would’ve still been conference affiliated for all other sports, thus limiting travel expense for the non-revenue sports.

-Foresight in 2009 when the whole NIL situation came up would’ve had NCAA leadership mediate w/ O’Bannon, & then put in proper guidelines stipulating that recruits/student athletes can now earn money from sold player jerseys, tv ads, sponsorships, signed memorabilia, usage in any marketing campaigns from a school or outside entity; but, illegal payments made by outside parties in recruiting efforts are prohibited and will be punitive for the University involved.

-Foresight in 2006 when the transfer rules began to be questioned easily could’ve been addressed with guidelines: Players, who academically qualify, can transfer without penalty as a 1st time transfer, a graduate transfer, medical/family emergency, and/or a HC either leaves or gets fired for any reason. If a player transfers twice as a non grad transfer, & the above criteria is not met, must sit out half the year. If a player transfers thrice or more as a non grad transfer and the above criteria is not met, must sit out a full season before qualifying.

-Foresight in 2006 when media deals start taking off would’ve had conferences negotiating fair market deals based upon conference size, team value, market share, viability, & marketability. The PAC-12 & ACC negotiated god-awful deals based upon championships, market share, & viability during this time frame.

-Foresight in 2021 by Congress would’ve said the NCAA has no right to limit a student athlete’s ability to make money off their NIL, but the parameters involving boosters or entities under the guise of legitimate businesses, but are boosters to pay for play still are under the jurisdiction of the NCAA’s Governing Body along w/ all academic eligibilities.

-Foresight regarding Title IX would’ve made sure appropriate funding was set aside as an expense (since most female sports are non revenue generators) to ensure Universities are in compliance.

I can go on & on about how none involved thought about tomorrow, & I’ve noticed this trend w/ many so called leaders. They’re surrounded by yes men & women who don’t think about domino effects. None thoroughly vet things through, or they get blinded by the $$; worst yet, many can’t forecast to save their lives. They can’t see the future even with the future is right in front of them. That’s y so many “name brand” businesses, staples in the community go out of business; & that’s y u’re seeing this current bull chit w/in college athletics, w name brand conferences going out of business.
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Post of the week. Absolute truth.

I don't blame the TV networks because they are going to do whatever will turn a profit immediately. They don't care to look at the big picture and the long-term health of the game. It would be in their best interest for future TV contracts, but they don't look that far ahead - maximize profitability and maximize it now. And it's totally understandable and expected.

The NCAA takes a good bit of the blame. It has become a totally toothless, impotent entity due mainly to its own corruption over the years. Certain programs got nailed (Miami & USC) while others' transgressions were ignored or received slaps on the wrists just showing the bias of the organization. The SEC and B1G schools always seemed to get the benefit of the doubt. Even PSU was given early release from the most damnable situation I can think of in college football history.

I think the biggest blame needs to go to the conferences and specifically, their member institutions. There is no bigger group of selfish entities who are only looking out for their own individual hides than this group. If the then P5 actually saw the writing on the wall with the NCAA in the early '00s, they could have actually worked together, created their own central regulatory entity to keep each other in line, used that entity to be proactive in resolving issues that were emerging in college sports (NIL, paying student athletes, etc.), created their own playoff, and negotiated TV deals for the betterment of the entire P5.

Instead, they were so focused on backstabbing each other and stealing conference members from each other, that they have had to react to all these legal issues instead of being out in front of them. Total vacuum of leadership.
 
According to ESPN, FSU/ACC officials have completed the mediation session as ordered by a judge. What does this mean? What are they mediating if the agreement everyone signed is so iron clad? All you legal eagles here, what say you?
 
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