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bshaw28 said:
100%. De'Anthony Thomas was one of the ultimate "all over the field" college players. Even if CJ was 75% of Thomas he'd be a monster.

CJ's speed is just special. In my head he's a legit 4.3 guy. I don't think he's a natural RB, but I also don't care. I can't wait to see what he does with the ball in his hands.

Chip Kelly was a master at scheming for fast little guys like LaMichael James, Kenjon Barner, and De'Anthomy Thomas - but Kelly was universally thought of as an offensive genius at that time. I hope Dawson has that creativity - but I know it very hard to do, and it's a really high standard to hold him to. Saying "we need to get (insert player) in space" is so much easier said than done.
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Not a natural RB because of his size? Because other than that he shows a lot of RB ability IMO especially being relatively new to the position. Great vision, cuts, start/stop ability. Breaking tackles, stiff arms etc sure he doesn’t display those but I don’t think of him as that type of runner. Give him a hole and go.

He’s not an ‘all purpose’ back but he shouldn’t have to be here. Just get the ball in his hands with blockers in front.
 
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mirvin88 said:
Not a natural RB because of his size? Because other than that he shows a lot of RB ability IMO especially being relatively new to the position. Great vision, cuts, start/stop ability. Breaking tackles, stiff arms etc sure he doesn’t display those but I don’t think of him as that type of runner. Give him a hole and go.

He’s not an ‘all purpose’ back but he shouldn’t have to be here. Just get the ball in his hands with blockers in front.
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Yeah - saying someone is or isn't "a natural RB" is kind of a dumb generic saying that doesn't mean anything. I don't know why I even said it.

But what I see is - there's some runs in his Senior film of him running through contact that I don't think will translate because of size. As a runner, I think he's more of a see hole/hit hole. If the hole isn't there, just bounce outside. He looks like he needs an obvious hole or some runway vs being able to make subtle moves to set up defenders or quick read & react moves to get through the wash. I think a little more straight line speed with good but not great vision & change of direction.

But like I said - I don't even care. There's some runs where he hits & gets through the hole so **** fast. He erases defenders angles on some of his runs. His extra gear is special. And I wouldn't disagree if you thought I was being overly critical. Like you said he's still new to the position.

If he stays at RB, even if he doesn't pick up the nuances of the position it may not even matter. That speed can cover for a lot. I'm expecting him to be at least be a little bit bigger & faster version of Jaylan knighton.

And how he's used this year will probably be a preview of how CWH will be used too.
 
DTP said:
Anybody know South Broward’s schedule for the upcoming season? I’d like to see if they play any of the better schools. The competition in their district is pretty weak. They didn’t play any of the power programs in Broward last year. That said, the dude averaged 17 yards per carry. Even against the weaker teams in the county, that’s eye popping. Also, his team sucks too. It’s not like they’re super talented and they overwhelm teams. He’s pretty much option 1,2 and 3 for them. As for his size. Not every college running back is an NFL running back. He’s fine as a second running back in this class
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South Broward ‘22 Schedule
 
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lauderdaleballer said:
I agree. The talent isn’t spread out across the counties like it used to be. I went to south plantation and during my last two years we had like 8-10 fbs signees. Around 2013 the coach had like 4-6 power 5 signees alone. Unfortunately that’s not the case anymore. I remember Piper having All American recruits.

Back to CWH, he’s a valid take as you stated. He’s a good a player but some of our fans need to chill with the unrealistic expectations. And the same for Lake, like why did he point out CWH?
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I remember a kid named Rupert Webley. He was a RB and was pretty good.
 
skyman said:
Lol, I will never forget this board "scouting" Yearby and Dalvin from their couch and majority saying Yearby was better, lol.. That tells you all you need to know with the homer takes and how the orange and green shades tint soo dark.. Those post are still on here too.. Straight comedy..
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First, I don't think a "majority" said Yearby was better.

Second, to the extent anyone expressed that getting Yearby instead of Cook was acceptable, it was the Copium talking...

EDIT: I definitely thought Cook was the better of the two, even at the time, but I was hopeful that the drop-off to Yearby wasn't too terrible and that Miami would be fine with the lesser runner. And if you look at his UM career stats, Yearby was NOT terrible at Miami, but Cook was just soooooo much better at F$U. And, yes, Cook hurt us in our big rivalry games.
 
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bshaw28 said:
You keep talking about his eventual weight (which we don't know) while ignoring his actual current weight (which we do know)

247 has 57 RB's in the 2024 class that are 6-0 & the only one under 180 lbs is CWH at 175.

CWH's starting point is back of the pack. To get to 190, 200, 210 - whatever you choose, CWH will have to put on more weight than any other RB at his height.

Part of the reason why when people ask "Why isn't he rated higher" is because he's ranked as a RB but he's built like a CB.

Part of the reason why coaches have wanted to see him at CB at summer camps is because he's built more like a CB than a RB.

This isn't to say he can't play RB - It's just pointing out he has a body type that is very rare at RB.

It isn't misleading to point out that every position has certain body types - and CWH simply doesn't have a RB body type right now. But you're 100% correct that as he puts on weight that can potentially change. I wouldn't rule that out.
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I don't give a **** about your endless statstical BULL****.

The fact remains, just because a kid is lighter NOW doesn't mean he will be so forever. These "57 RBs in the 2024 class" are not all going to gain the same amount of weight. If they did, and everyone was going to gain 25 pounds each, then YES, I'd say that CWH is going to remain the smallest of the bunch.

But that's not true.

Your statistical BULL**** is just that, bull****. It has nothing to do with whether a kid at the age of 17 has stopped growing or how much weight he can gain. It's just a moment in time, based off of unreliable and/or incomplete numbers (both for CWH and for some of the other kids). How do you know that the heights/weights of those "58 RBs in the 2024 class" are accurate, did you measure them all? There is no "high school combine". So the ultimate determination of "running back body type" is for the assessment of coaches, and nobody is claiming that they get it right every single time.

But your statistical BULL**** is brain-dead. I've never argued about "why isn't he rated higher" because I know that he will have the chance to put up stats as a senior. I have consistently argued, for years, that there are too many premature assessments made with these high school kids, and that a lot of players grow and blossom as HS seniors. But your use of statistical BULL**** locks people into these early determinations from which no amount of growth, weight-gain, senior-year production, or flat-out "he's a football player" intangibles will allow them to rise any higher.

Whether you belatedly acknowledge it or not, your mind-numbing presentation of statistical BULL**** gives off a level of inflexible certainty as to where a player should play. I don't think that even the biggest CWH fans have denied that he needs to add some size, but you are acting like he is never going to get to the point that justifies his scholarship offer.

Finally, CWH does NOT have a "body type that is very rare at RB". That's just not true in an overall sense. He might not be at a level to be an "every down back", but there are plenty of RBs at his size (and/or "projected" size) who play roles as RBs with particular abilities. We are recruiting two RBs and likely will be for years. No need to take cookie-cutter guys of identical size/strength/skillset.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I don't give a **** about your endless statstical BULL****.

The fact remains, just because a kid is lighter NOW doesn't mean he will be so forever. These "57 RBs in the 2024 class" are not all going to gain the same amount of weight. If they did, and everyone was going to gain 25 pounds each, then YES, I'd say that CWH is going to remain the smallest of the bunch.

But that's not true.

Your statistical BULL**** is just that, bull****. It has nothing to do with whether a kid at the age of 17 has stopped growing or how much weight he can gain. It's just a moment in time, based off of unreliable and/or incomplete numbers (both for CWH and for some of the other kids). How do you know that the heights/weights of those "58 RBs in the 2024 class" are accurate, did you measure them all? There is no "high school combine". So the ultimate determination of "running back body type" is for the assessment of coaches, and nobody is claiming that they get it right every single time.

But your statistical BULL**** is brain-dead. I've never argued about "why isn't he rated higher" because I know that he will have the chance to put up stats as a senior. I have consistently argued, for years, that there are too many premature assessments made with these high school kids, and that a lot of players grow and blossom as HS seniors. But your use of statistical BULL**** locks people into these early determinations from which no amount of growth, weight-gain, senior-year production, or flat-out "he's a football player" intangibles will allow them to rise any higher.

Whether you belatedly acknowledge it or not, your mind-numbing presentation of statistical BULL**** gives off a level of inflexible certainty as to where a player should play. I don't think that even the biggest CWH fans have denied that he needs to add some size, but you are acting like he is never going to get to the point that justifies his scholarship offer.

Finally, CWH does NOT have a "body type that is very rare at RB". That's just not true in an overall sense. He might not be at a level to be an "every down back", but there are plenty of RBs at his size (and/or "projected" size) who play roles as RBs with particular abilities. We are recruiting two RBs and likely will be for years. No need to take cookie-cutter guys of identical size/strength/skillset.
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Why so mad??? 😂
 
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BoxingRobes said:
Running back is not a money making position. Even Duke Johnson has gone on record saying he probably should have played CB.

If CWH has some cornerback chops, he should be welcome to playing corner. Probably a better avenue for making the NFL at corner than at RB.
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I dont think the memo has gotten to the high school level yet.. Its still the glamour position in high school but I would expect that to change soon, premier nfl guys still in their prime cant even get 2nd contracts now, yikes..
 
TOcane said:
I remember a kid named Rupert Webley. He was a RB and was pretty good.
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Yea he was. He went to Webber International. I felt in the right program he could have at least went D2 or even FCS. Especially at that time. We had some good players. However, the best player was probably a kid (now a grown man) by the name of Levi Smith. He was one of the best pure football players I ever saw at that time. He wasn’t a super athlete but he just knew how to play and made plays everytime he touched the ball.
 
lauderdaleballer said:
Yea he was. He went to Webber International. I felt in the right program he could have at least went D2 or even FCS. Especially at that time. We had some good players. However, the best player was probably a kid (now a grown man) by the name of Levi Smith. He was one of the best pure football players I ever saw at that time. He wasn’t a super athlete but he just knew how to play and made plays everytime he touched the ball.
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What position did he play and which year?
 
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TOcane said:
What position did he play and which year?
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Haha just about all the skill positions. He was a DB, WR, and returner. I remember his Jr year he played DB at game 6 and finished with like 6 ints. They ran the wing t so he scored on limited touches at WR. And he was returning kicks back like crazy. He should have went p5. He had the talent
 
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5-11.5 170??

@TheOriginalCane - I've been using 6-0 175 and that's upsetting you because that might be inaccurate. Are you upset because you're thinking he might be even smaller?

Joking aside - I love CWH as a take. He's a playmaker on film and the coaches have loved him at camp where he's looked great at both RB & CB. I want him to start at RB and see where it goes from there. I think it's very much in play that he could be a big playmaker at RB in college.

But it's a 100% fact that very few RB's historically have had similar height/weight measurements as CWH as recruits. There's no argument against it. You can say "you're wrong, there's plenty" all you want but you won't be able to provide examples because there aren't any.
 
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