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Cribby said:
The obsession with rb weights cracks me up lol. Like this is three yards and a cloud of dust power football being played today. There‘s rb’s then there’s apb’s (all purpose). You have a combination of guys. The north south guy that’s physical between the tackles then you have quicker , twitchier , more explosive guys for outside runs , screens and gadget plays. Which are better in the pass game. You want different skill sets and body types in these offenses. Just like Urban had Rainey , Demps and Brandon James. None of whom were big or physical.

These threads and takes always just leave me shaking my head.
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This coming from the same crowd that loses their collective **** when undersized local ballers go elsewhere and dominate

But hey none of my business to get in the way of the hypocrisy
 
bshaw28 said:
You called the stats I used BULL**** in all caps 6 times in your last post - so it felt like you cared a little.

Blindly denying and paying no attention to stats & analytics is definitely the wave of the future. I commend your stance.
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What in the **** is wrong with you? Were you dropped on your head at birth?

I "cared" because I called your stats BULL****? That was just me telling the truth. Now, I'm going to cut-and-paste what I actually said, so that you can no longer mischaracterize what I said:

"I don't fight over a half-inch of height and 5 pounds of weight. I think that stuff is all highly exaggerated anyhow, and I really don't care."

So, yes, I really don't care when recruits exaggerate their self-reported heights and weights.

Now, I NEVER said "BLINDLY DENY AND PAY NO ATTENTION TO STATS & ANALYTICS". That is yet another exaggeration on your part. I have been very clear, on multiple posts, in saying that I do not trust self-reported measurables, or the websites that post those numbers as absolute truth. What I HAVE actually said, in the alternative, is that the coaches need to see these players up close, the coaches need to get actual heights and weights, the coaches need to make their own assessments about whether a player has room to grow, AND WE NEED TO STOP THE STATS NERDS FROM MAKING ENDLESS POSTS BASED ON SELF-REPORTED RIVALS/247/ON3 NUMBERS.

There's a difference. I know you can't see it. I know you think you have as much access to reliable height/weight information as the coaches have, but that just isn't true.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
What in the **** is wrong with you? Were you dropped on your head at birth?

I "cared" because I called your stats BULL****? That was just me telling the truth. Now, I'm going to cut-and-paste what I actually said, so that you can no longer mischaracterize what I said:

"I don't fight over a half-inch of height and 5 pounds of weight. I think that stuff is all highly exaggerated anyhow, and I really don't care."

So, yes, I really don't care when recruits exaggerate their self-reported heights and weights.

Now, I NEVER said "BLINDLY DENY AND PAY NO ATTENTION TO STATS & ANALYTICS". That is yet another exaggeration on your part. I have been very clear, on multiple posts, in saying that I do not trust self-reported measurables, or the websites that post those numbers as absolute truth. What I HAVE actually said, in the alternative, is that the coaches need to see these players up close, the coaches need to get actual heights and weights, the coaches need to make their own assessments about whether a player has room to grow, AND WE NEED TO STOP THE STATS NERDS FROM MAKING ENDLESS POSTS BASED ON SELF-REPORTED RIVALS/247/ON3 NUMBERS.

There's a difference. I know you can't see it. I know you think you have as much access to reliable height/weight information as the coaches have, but that just isn't true.
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So saying I think I have as much access to data to as the coaches isn't an exaggeration on your part? I'm joking, as I know you are. It's all good.

I 100% agree with you the coaches need to get accurate height/weight measurements when they can, and project growth. We've both been saying that.

My stats are always correct. You may not like my interpretation of the stats, and that's fine - but that doesn't mean the stats aren't correct.

Based on you feelings about Height/Weight - Let me ask you some questions and let me know where my logic is wrong:

If you think the Height/Weight measurements on recruiting sites aren't accurate because they're self-reported - wouldn't it be logical to assume players are making themselves bigger and not smaller? Am I wrong in assuming that?

Don't you think the Height/Weight measurements on recruiting sites are at least pretty close? I agree they're not exact, but these sites are businesses. They'd be out of business if they consistently used data that was way off, right? Am I wrong for thinking they have relevance?

I assume the coaches have an accurate Height/Weight on CWH. What that is I have no idea, but I assume the Height/Weight the coaches have on CWH played a part in wanting to see him play DB at camp, because a position switch to DB is something that's very much on the table. Is that fair to assume?
 
Cribby said:
The obsession with rb weights cracks me up lol. Like this is three yards and a cloud of dust power football being played today. There‘s rb’s then there’s apb’s (all purpose). You have a combination of guys. The north south guy that’s physical between the tackles then you have quicker , twitchier , more explosive guys for outside runs , screens and gadget plays. Which are better in the pass game. You want different skill sets and body types in these offenses. Just like Urban had Rainey , Demps and Brandon James. None of whom were big or physical.

These threads and takes always just leave me shaking my head.
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Yeah that BROFFENSE 💩better be gone.
 
bshaw28 said:
So saying I think I have as much access to data to as the coaches isn't an exaggeration on your part? I'm joking, as I know you are. It's all good.

I 100% agree with you the coaches need to get accurate height/weight measurements when they can, and project growth. We've both been saying that.

My stats are always correct. You may not like my interpretation of the stats, and that's fine - but that doesn't mean the stats aren't correct.

Based on you feelings about Height/Weight - Let me ask you some questions and let me know where my logic is wrong:

If you think the Height/Weight measurements on recruiting sites aren't accurate because they're self-reported - wouldn't it be logical to assume players are making themselves bigger and not smaller? Am I wrong in assuming that?

Don't you think the Height/Weight measurements on recruiting sites are at least pretty close? I agree they're not exact, but these sites are businesses. They'd be out of business if they consistently used data that was way off, right? Am I wrong for thinking they have relevance?

I assume the coaches have an accurate Height/Weight on CWH. What that is I have no idea, but I assume the Height/Weight the coaches have on CWH played a part in wanting to see him play DB at camp, because a position switch to DB is something that's very much on the table. Is that fair to assume?
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Oh, Jesus ******* Christ. You have GOT to be kidding.

There are a lot of reasons that the self-reported numbers are incorrect, including old/outdated info, exaggerations, or measurement error (particularly with 40 times).

But the problem is not solely limited to the numbers being wrong. It is made one hundred times worse by the deadly-serious and non-debatable way in which you present these unreliable stats as hardcore conclusions.

So I realize you're trying to backtrack now, and say you're "joking" and that the numbers on websites are "pretty close" to accurate. But that's NOT how you've been presenting your conclusions. You went to the trouble of assembling 59 running backs and then you concluded that CWH was the smallest, and thus wasn't a good fit for the running back position. You don't want to consider that the stats could be inaccurate, you don't want to project any growth.

And then you are surprised by someone calling out the truth that your statistical "analysis" is hot garbage.

I guarantee you...whenever someone does 12 or 15 paragraphs of deadly-serious statistical analysis that is terrible and misleading...it will be a bshaw posting...

As for your assumption that Chris Wheatley-Humphrey being switched to CB is "something that's very much on the table"...well, you are free to make whatever assumptions you choose to make.

Why don't you do another 20 paragraphs on why James Williams must be switched to linebacker...
 
Cribby said:
The obsession with rb weights cracks me up lol. Like this is three yards and a cloud of dust power football being played today. There‘s rb’s then there’s apb’s (all purpose). You have a combination of guys. The north south guy that’s physical between the tackles then you have quicker , twitchier , more explosive guys for outside runs , screens and gadget plays. Which are better in the pass game. You want different skill sets and body types in these offenses. Just like Urban had Rainey , Demps and Brandon James. None of whom were big or physical.

These threads and takes always just leave me shaking my head.
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Cribby - I love your posts and info. I'd say your inside info is the best on the site.

But I don't get this when using Urban Meyer teams/players as a comp:

Florida - 2005-2010 - Rainey, Demps, James - all those guys were between 5-6 & 5-8. so how do they comp to a 5-11 CJ or 6-0 CWH or 5-11 Allen?

Ohio St - 2012-2018 - Carlos Hyde, Ezekiel Elliott, Mike Weber, JK Dobbins - all these guys were between 5-9 & 6-0 and weighed 209+

Wouldn't the Ohio St RB's - who were more recent & closer in height be a better comp?
 
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bshaw28 said:
Cribby - I love your posts and info. I'd say your inside info is the best on the site.

But I don't get this when using Urban Meyer teams/players as a comp:

Florida - 2005-2010 - Rainey, Demps, James - all those guys were between 5-6 & 5-8. so how do they comp to a 5-11 CJ or 6-0 CWH or 5-11 Allen?

Ohio St - 2012-2018 - Carlos Hyde, Ezekiel Elliott, Mike Weber, JK Dobbins - all these guys were between 5-9 & 6-0 and weighed 209+

Wouldn't the Ohio St RB's - who were more recent & closer in height be a better comp?
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Do you ever re-read your posts and then think "Yeah, that's why people don't like me"?

You should.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Oh, Jesus ******* Christ. You have GOT to be kidding.

There are a lot of reasons that the self-reported numbers are incorrect, including old/outdated info, exaggerations, or measurement error (particularly with 40 times).

But the problem is not solely limited to the numbers being wrong. It is made one hundred times worse by the deadly-serious and non-debatable way in which you present these unreliable stats as hardcore conclusions.

So I realize you're trying to backtrack now, and say you're "joking" and that the numbers on websites are "pretty close" to accurate. But that's NOT how you've been presenting your conclusions. You went to the trouble of assembling 59 running backs and then you concluded that CWH was the smallest, and thus wasn't a good fit for the running back position. You don't want to consider that the stats could be inaccurate, you don't want to project any growth.

And then you are surprised by someone calling out the truth that your statistical "analysis" is hot garbage.

I guarantee you...whenever someone does 12 or 15 paragraphs of deadly-serious statistical analysis that is terrible and misleading...it will be a bshaw posting...

As for your assumption that Chris Wheatley-Humphrey being switched to CB is "something that's very much on the table"...well, you are free to make whatever assumptions you choose to make.

Why don't you do another 20 paragraphs on why James Williams must be switched to linebacker...
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Do you think CWH switching to DB is very much on the table?

As I said - I have no problem with you or anyone disagree with my conclusions from the data. I've never said my conclusions are 100% correct as you claim I do.

But you say the data isn't correct. That's the issue. I'll use data from the NFL Combine which is verified and you'll still say it's incorrect if you don't like it.

Can you do either of these things:

1) Name 1 time you think my stats were correct?
2) Name 1 time when you used actual stats to prove my stats were wrong vs just saying "you're wrong"?

We both know there answer is NO, but I do enjoy continuing to ask. You seem to struggle with facts & opinions.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Do you ever re-read your posts and then think "Yeah, that's why people don't like me"?

You should.
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Oh are you here to make friends? Original....you are SUCH a sweetheart! I've said this so many times - you are legit my favorite poster.

I'm VERY aware of why people here would find me annoying. Example - you in particular hate that I constantly post stats you want to refute so bad but can't.

I'll ask you again (for like the 100th time) - Can you do either of these things:

1) Name 1 time you think my stats were actually correct?
2) Name 1 time when YOU used actual stats to disprove my stats vs just saying "you're wrong"?
 
bshaw28 said:
Again - no one is arguing that CWH won't put on weight. It's how far behind the 6-0 175 lb starting point is and the amount of weight he needs to put on I'm giving context to.

Let's say CWH starts at 175 and he puts on 10, 20, or 30 lbs.

119 RB's have measured at 6-0 at the NFL Combine since 2000

0% - (0 of 119) have weighed 185 or less
3% - (4 of 119) have weighed 195 or less
8% - (9 of 119) have weighed 205 or less

If CWH puts on 30 lbs - then 92% of 6-0 RB's still weigh more than him.
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Bro, the kid is 16-17 years old! Wtf you talking about?!! He could easily be 185 by time he even gets on campus. And the NFL, that’s 4-5 or even 6 years away for this kid. Relax dawg. I was a 210 LB coming into college. When I was in Canada playing my first game I was 265 pounds. I’ve seen countless dudes gain weight easily just having access to proper training and nutrition. There’s rare cases where they can’t gain like the DE we got from Vegas and dude that went to fspoo who plays for the panthers.
 
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kccanefan said:
For sure. I would give that an A+ for that room. Also have no issues with Cristobal and Mirabal recruiting the offensive line. We just need to pickup WR, DT, CB and too some extent get a QB1 for next year. Overall talent would have definitely been upgraded at that point.
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When Mario was hired I said there were 4 positions that he would have to recruit well in order for him to be successful here. Those were WR, CB, DT and QB. Assuming that the 2024 class continues to trend positively then he will have made significant inroads at WR and DT with CB also being possible.

With an 8+ win season this year, that recruiting success will undoubtedly begin to grow and with 10+ wins even more so. This was never going to be a walk in the park but with a little time and Mario both staying the course and letting his coaches ahem coach we may shock the world and actually find our way back among the college football elite.
 
bshaw28 said:
Again - no one is arguing that CWH won't put on weight. It's how far behind the 6-0 175 lb starting point is and the amount of weight he needs to put on I'm giving context to.

Let's say CWH starts at 175 and he puts on 10, 20, or 30 lbs.

119 RB's have measured at 6-0 at the NFL Combine since 2000

0% - (0 of 119) have weighed 185 or less
3% - (4 of 119) have weighed 195 or less
8% - (9 of 119) have weighed 205 or less

If CWH puts on 30 lbs - then 92% of 6-0 RB's still weigh more than him.
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who cares
 
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The NFL very much cares about running back weight but in college it’s not really a big deal. Wheatley-Humphrey can be a fine college running back at 185-190 lbs and that’s all I really care about.

Smaller running backs only tend to play in the NFL if they’re multi-faceted. If they’re electric as a return man or receiver. Duke Johnson is our all time leading rusher and probably best offensive player of the last 20 years and nobody would give him a starting job in the NFL because of his size. Dude put together a nice career and did some good work as mostly a pass catcher but being a third down back is pretty much the ceiling for lighter guys.
 
Capt. Stillman said:
When Mario was hired I said there were 4 positions that he would have to recruit well in order for him to be successful here. Those were WR, CB, DT and QB. Assuming that the 2024 class continues to trend positively then he will have made significant inroads at WR and DT with CB also being possible.

With an 8+ win season this year, that recruiting success will undoubtedly begin to grow and with 10+ wins even more so. This was never going to be a walk in the park but with a little time and Mario both staying the course and letting his coaches ahem coach we may shock the world and actually find our way back among the college football elite.
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Where’d you say that, Captain?
 
KingB02 said:
Bro, the kid is 16-17 years old! Wtf you talking about?!! He could easily be 185 by time he even gets on campus. And the NFL, that’s 4-5 or even 6 years away for this kid. Relax dawg. I was a 210 LB coming into college. When I was in Canada playing my first game I was 265 pounds. I’ve seen countless dudes gain weight easily just having access to proper training and nutrition. There’s rare cases where they can’t gain like the DE we got from Vegas and dude that went to fspoo who plays for the panthers.
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And how tall are you?
 
DTP said:
The NFL very much cares about running back weight but in college it’s not really a big deal. Wheatley-Humphrey can be a fine college running back at 185-190 lbs and that’s all I really care about.

Smaller running backs only tend to play in the NFL if they’re multi-faceted. If they’re electric as a return man or receiver. Duke Johnson is our all time leading rusher and probably best offensive player of the last 20 years and nobody would give him a starting job in the NFL because of his size. Dude put together a nice career and did some good work as mostly a pass catcher but being a third down back is pretty much the ceiling for lighter guys.
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I 100% agree with you that you can be a successful college RB at not get a look from the NFL. Joe Yearby was a good example.

But it's the height & body type that's important vs just a straight weight comparison.

Duke & Yearby were 5'9". Deuce Vaughn crushed it in college at 5-5 179, which is a brick house. But that's a totally different body type from someone 6-0 179, which is skinny AF (for a RB)

The lightest RB at the NFL combine in history 5-11+ is 193 lbs. I'm sure there's been RB's who have crushed it at 5-11+ & 190 or less, but all the comps so far have been 5'9" or less type guys - Lorenzo Booker, De'Anthony Thomas, Rainey/Demps/James at UF, etc.

BUT - that's not to say lighter 5-11 guys we're going to have on our roster like Ajay Allen, CJ & CWH can't play. I think they can and I'm excited for each of them. I'm actually looking at stats to build what I think is a pretty good counter argument to what I've been saying.
 
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