Chris Wheatley-Humphrey

[bshaw28]

who cares

I would assume & hope the coaches care. I'm assuming CWH's body type played a factor into why they wanted to see him at DB at camp. I'm assuming they're factoring in the height/weight of recruits when projecting them from HS to college. I could be easily be assuming wrong on any of those though.

As for why you, me, or anyone else here would care? I have no idea. I assume some people find it interesting and think it might mean something (as I do), while others think it's stupid and means nothing (as you & plenty of others do). I could be assuming wrong on that too.

I'm just giving stats on what I can get from the internet. The stats themselves are correct, but what you take from them is up to you.

 

[bshaw28]

The NFL very much cares about running back weight but in college it’s not really a big deal. Wheatley-Humphrey can be a fine college running back at 185-190 lbs and that’s all I really care about.

Smaller running backs only tend to play in the NFL if they’re multi-faceted. If they’re electric as a return man or receiver. Duke Johnson is our all time leading rusher and probably best offensive player of the last 20 years and nobody would give him a starting job in the NFL because of his size. Dude put together a nice career and did some good work as mostly a pass catcher but being a third down back is pretty much the ceiling for lighter guys.

Here's the Good, Bad & Who Knows stats that I think make the best Height/Weight counter-argument

THE BAD - 6-0+ RB's UNDER 205 LBS

- Only 10 6-0+ have ever weighed below 205 at the NFL combine. 193 lbs is the smallest. It's a rare body type
- Only 1 has ever run for 1,000 yds in the NFL - 6-0 199 Justin Jackson (Northwestern)
- There's some good college RB's - Lee Suggs, Joe Randle, and Kenny McIntosh (if you're stretching things a bit)

THE GOOD - 5-11 RB's UNDER 205 LBS

- Just drop an inch to 5-11 and it changes everything.
- 22 5-11 RB's have weighed below 205 at the NFL combine. Much more common at about 1 per year. 193 lbs is still the smallest.
- BUT - it's an INSANE list. Here's all 11 5-11/Under 205 RB's that were at the combine that got a carry in the NFL

That's an unbelievable list of RB's. That's the best counter argument.


THE "WHO KNOWS - TAKE WHAT YOU WANT FROM IT"

- They're all pretty much a combo of blazing fast & highly ranked recruits
- 8 of 11 ran a 4.42 or better
- 7 of the 8 that were ranked were Top 100 recruits
- Chris Johnson (rank) & Salvon Ahmed (speed) are the 2 exceptions
- There's no low rank + slow combos

- Ajay Allen, CJ & CWH are all listed at 5-11+
- All have speed. CJ has legit verified speed and Allen/CWH look fast, but who knows how fast
- All are ranked outside the Top 250

IMO - if you're going to go small, MAKE SURE you go fast. So looks like we're recruiting right there. It'll interesting/fun to see how it plays out.

 

[KingB02]

And how tall are you?

6’3”
But why does that matter? Lol

 

[SayWhat]

A lot of the listed height and weight on websites is from actual camps where they are, you know, weighed and measured. That's for kids that attend those things.

I don't put too much stock in it though as these are teenagers that are still likely growing. A month later or three, those numbers can all change. In a year there can be a drastic difference. ****, between the start of my sophomore year to the beginning of my junior year I grew 5 inches.

It's all just a starting point and not worth getting all bent out of shape about.

A similar sized back out of high school was Reggie Bush. I remember seeing him and thinking this dude is rail thin. Quick as ****, but how's that body going to hold up. He put some weight on at 6'0 and the rest is history. I'm not saying this kid is going to be Bush, but just using him as a comparison. Same reported height and weight essentially.

 

[Calinative]

Where’d you say that, Captain?

I mean all he's missing is EDGE, and he's got the 5 most important positions in football lol.

 

[sebastian91]

Here's the Good, Bad & Who Knows stats that I think make the best Height/Weight counter-argument

THE BAD - 6-0+ RB's UNDER 205 LBS

- Only 10 6-0+ have ever weighed below 205 at the NFL combine. 193 lbs is the smallest. It's a rare body type
- Only 1 has ever run for 1,000 yds in the NFL - 6-0 199 Justin Jackson (Northwestern)
- There's some good college RB's - Lee Suggs, Joe Randle, and Kenny McIntosh (if you're stretching things a bit)

THE GOOD - 5-11 RB's UNDER 205 LBS

- Just drop an inch to 5-11 and it changes everything.
- 22 5-11 RB's have weighed below 205 at the NFL combine. Much more common at about 1 per year. 193 lbs is still the smallest.
- BUT - it's an INSANE list. Here's all 11 5-11/Under 205 RB's that were at the combine that got a carry in the NFL

View attachment 247383
That's an unbelievable list of RB's. That's the best counter argument.


THE "WHO KNOWS - TAKE WHAT YOU WANT FROM IT"

- They're all pretty much a combo of blazing fast & highly ranked recruits
- 8 of 11 ran a 4.42 or better
- 7 of the 8 that were ranked were Top 100 recruits
- Chris Johnson (rank) & Salvon Ahmed (speed) are the 2 exceptions
- There's no low rank + slow combos

View attachment 247384

- Ajay Allen, CJ & CWH are all listed at 5-11+
- All have speed. CJ has legit verified speed and Allen/CWH look fast, but who knows how fast
- All are ranked outside the Top 250

IMO - if you're going to go small, MAKE SURE you go fast. So looks like we're recruiting right there. It'll interesting/fun to see how it plays out.

Cool stuff....but, CWH is a junior in HS, right? He's minimum 4 years from the NFL combine. I have no clue if the info is accessible, but I'd be interested in seeing your list with the junior in HS stats, not NFL combine stats. At least then you're comparing apples to apples.

 

[Peachycarnahan]

DeeJay Dallas was listed between 182 - 191 lbs on the recruiting sites. Maybe CWH's weight will change by signing day.

To give a visual on how much weight a RB puts on - here's our RB recruits 2010-2020. So the 2020 guys are going into their 4th year in college.

Recruit Weight = 247 recruit profile weight
Final Weight = Either NFL Combine, Pro Day, or Current Roster weight (whatever the best available was)

I'd say adding about 25 lbs is an optimistic but realistic expectation.

View attachment 247225

Thanks for putting this together. Well done.

 

[bshaw28]

Cool stuff....but, CWH is a junior in HS, right? He's minimum 4 years from the NFL combine. I have no clue if the info is accessible, but I'd be interested in seeing your list with the junior in HS stats, not NFL combine stats. At least then you're comparing apples to apples.

All I can get for HS guys is their Height & Weight from their recruiting profiles.

I could do a list of the 6-0+ Under 180 lb RB's from the last 5-10 years if you'd like? But I'll tell you advance - I've already eyeballed it & it doesn't look very pretty.

For reference - here's the 5-11 & Under 205 at the NFL Combine's HS weights as a comparison.

Like I said - I think CWH putting on 25 lbs is an optimistic but realistic expectation.

 

[bshaw28]

6’3”
But why does that matter? Lol

There's 60 LB's on 247 in the 2024 class 6'3" or taller.

40% are under 210
12% are under 200
3% are under 190

So instead of you coming into college at 6'3" 210, imagine if you were 6'3" 185. That's what the smallest 6-3+ LB is on 247 for this cycle is.

And you put on 55 lbs at LB - but how many RB/DB/WR's put on even 30 lbs? It can't be many.

CWH at 175 is the only RB 6-0+ under 180. He's 5 lbs away from being tied for last place. CWH is the smallest/lightest 6-0+ RB in this cycle.

I'm not at all saying he can't put on a ton of weight. I'm not even saying he definitely needs to. I'm not saying he can't be a playmaking stud RB.

I'm excited for CWH and even though I think of him as an ATH vs some who are thinking he's a RB - I'm not saying I'm right. I'm not speaking in definites here.

I'm only pointing how far on the "small" end of things CWH's starting point is. That's something that can't really be debated. That's the only definite I'm speaking in.

Now - If that actually means anything, how much weight he eventually puts on, what position he ends up at, etc. - your guess is as good as mine.

 

[90scane]

So glad we have an expert on nutrition and strength&conditioning on this board. Sounds like CJ should be dropped because he doesn’t fit the mold of the Ohio State backs. Good to know.

I’ll trust Mario and Hightower to find good college backs. 17-22yo kids have a ton of hormones running through them so adding 25lbs isn’t tough with a good nutrition and strength plan. If that doesn’t work, drugs will.

 

[bshaw28]

So glad we have an expert on nutrition and strength&conditioning on this board. Sounds like CJ should be dropped because he doesn’t fit the mold of the Ohio State backs. Good to know.

I’ll trust Mario and Hightower to find good college backs. 17-22yo kids have a ton of hormones running through them so adding 25lbs isn’t tough with a good nutrition and strength plan. If that doesn’t work, drugs will.

I trust Mario's evals and I like the RB's we have.

But the part about adding 25 lbs being easy - I know it sounds like it's probably true, but it just doesn't happen in reality.

Below is a comparison of the 2023 Drafted RB's Recruiting Profile vs Combine Weight. Add that with the others I already pulled and that's 37 RB's total.

4 gained 25+ lbs.
6 gained 0 or lost weight
25% gained 20+ lbs
65% gained 15 or less

15 lbs is the average weight gain (and that's removing the 6 that didn't gain or lost weight. It's 11 lbs including them)

 

[90scane]

I trust Mario's evals and I like the RB's we have.

But the part about adding 25 lbs being easy - I know it sounds like it's probably true, but it just doesn't happen in reality.

Below is a comparison of the 2023 Drafted RB's Recruiting Profile vs Combine Weight. Add that with the others I already pulled and that's 37 RB's total.

4 gained 25+ lbs.
6 gained 0 or lost weight
25% gained 20+ lbs
65% gained 15 or less

15 lbs is the average weight gain (and that's removing the 6 that didn't gain or lost weight. It's 11 lbs including them)

View attachment 247580

you are missing a couple factors. 1. You have narrowed the pool to only NFL kids. 2. You assume 247 is correct which it has been off a ton in the past.

 

[SayWhat]

you are missing a couple factors. 1. You have narrowed the pool to only NFL kids. 2. You assume 247 is correct which it has been off a ton in the past.

So are team websites. They don't update them regularly as the draft has shown.

Are they exact, no. They're a approximation and apparently some are getting hung up on that.

Weigh a kid at the start of fall camp and I can promise you they'll drop some weight come the end of the season. By the same token, preparing for a draft, the skill position guys will likely add some while the lines will lose some bad weight.

It changes all the time, but why there's this weird obsession to totally discount the starting point in a discussion (we do it with everyone) makes no sense.

 

[KingB02]

I

There's 60 LB's on 247 in the 2024 class 6'3" or taller.

40% are under 210
12% are under 200
3% are under 190

So instead of you coming into college at 6'3" 210, imagine if you were 6'3" 185. That's what the smallest 6-3+ LB is on 247 for this cycle is.

And you put on 55 lbs at LB - but how many RB/DB/WR's put on even 30 lbs? It can't be many.

CWH at 175 is the only RB 6-0+ under 180. He's 5 lbs away from being tied for last place. CWH is the smallest/lightest 6-0+ RB in this cycle.

I'm not at all saying he can't put on a ton of weight. I'm not even saying he definitely needs to. I'm not saying he can't be a playmaking stud RB.

I'm excited for CWH and even though I think of him as an ATH vs some who are thinking he's a RB - I'm not saying I'm right. I'm not speaking in definites here.

I'm only pointing how far on the "small" end of things CWH's starting point is. That's something that can't really be debated. That's the only definite I'm speaking in.

Now - If that actually means anything, how much weight he eventually puts on, what position he ends up at, etc. - your guess is as good as min

I get what you are saying but I still would’ve been 245 pounds which is still bigger than your average NFL LB. I ended up doing the Clay Mathews and switching to OLB cause I got so huge. But I came from a Haitian household where we ate whatever pops wanted that night lol. So my nutrition wasn’t that great and even though I lived in the gym, school lunch was a$$ in HS so that didn’t really help. Once kids gain access to real professionals that monitor nutrition, exercise and recovery the sky is the limit.

 

[90scane]

why are we trying to determine if a HS Junior is an NFL back? Kid could be a CB or APB by the time he leaves UM. Heck, we have been asking for speed then we have a group of people questioning the take because he isn’t going to be an every down NFL back in 4-5 years.

 

[Calinative]

why are we trying to determine if a HS Junior is an NFL back? Kid could be a CB or APB by the time he leaves UM. Heck, we have been asking for speed then we have a group of people questioning the take because he isn’t going to be an every down NFL back in 4-5 years.

Well just how fast he is isn't exactly confirmed either...

 

[Zbrod95]

The obsession with rb weights cracks me up lol. Like this is three yards and a cloud of dust power football being played today. There‘s rb’s then there’s apb’s (all purpose). You have a combination of guys. The north south guy that’s physical between the tackles then you have quicker , twitchier , more explosive guys for outside runs , screens and gadget plays. Which are better in the pass game. You want different skill sets and body types in these offenses. Just like Urban had Rainey , Demps and Brandon James. None of whom were big or physical.

These threads and takes always just leave me shaking my head.

*Coughs loudly* Duece Vaughn *Coughs loudly*

 

[90scane]

Well just how fast he is isn't exactly confirmed either...

I’d bet UM knows his 40 time.

 

[Paparazzi Tripp]

This Kid definitely has room to grow and still stay explosive.

 

[bshaw28]

you are missing a couple factors. 1. You have narrowed the pool to only NFL kids. 2. You assume 247 is correct which it has been off a ton in the past.

If you're not using recruiting sites or the NFL combine - what measurements are you using when you say it's easy for RB's to put on 25 lbs?

And if you don't trust the recruiting sites height/weight (which I think is accurate, but understand if you don't) - what does it even matter?

Like - if a RB put only puts on 25 lbs from his recruiting profile to the the NFL Combine 10% of the time, can't you just take a current recruits profile weight (whether you think it's correct or not) and say 25 lbs is about the max they'll put on, and it's not even very likely they'll put on a full 25?