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Any good analysis of what caused Guidry to lose it?

I think it was a combo of things.

Mainly we lost too much good college players at the secondary level.

Kam
James
Jaden
Tecorey

Those played a ton of ball very experienced. We didnt replace well enough then Demari gets hurt first game. Porter has to play out of position. Richards then gets hurt. Even though Meesh has tons of experience he was learning the defense himself.

We also lost Flagg who was probably our smartest front 7 maybe overall player on defense.

Obviously JHH, Harvey had good years at SMU. Taylor is doing well for himself in NFL, and Deen was a good player. I think we lost so many players on that side of ball, and we failed to replace adequately.

Guidry was DC for Marshall they were excellent. He comes to Miami improves Miami greatly on that side of ball. Then falls off a cliff during conference play this year. I think it was more due to player losses than anything, and his failure to adapt during season.
 
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brock said:
Truth is Guidry was always fools good
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SlimeyChan said:
It’s pretty common unless you have a tenured coach at a position group. Most recently Todd Grantham at Oklahoma St just picked his staff and I believe the new DC at NC State did the same.
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I’m most cases the hc might allow the coordinator to bring a guy or 2 but not full blown control. Like richt when he hired Diaz he let him bring in Banda but richt hired rumph and kul
 
brock said:
In 2024 with other teams
On dline
Harrison hunte had 6.5 sacks 9 tackles for loss
Harvey had 7.5 sacks 13 tackles for loss
Taylor is an nfl guy and producing
Chantz Williams 4 sacks 7 tackles for loss

At linebacker
Corey flagg
80 plus tackles for mizzou 5 tackles for loss


Safety
kam kinchens(probably the best rookie db in the nfl)

James Williams (making tackles in the nfl on defense at linebacker)

Cb
Plus couch who is with addae with the bills on the practice squad and Jaden Davis with the cardinals


We lost alot of talent, he11 we talk about the db losses but we underrated what we lost on the dline with hunte, Taylor and Harvey **** even at linebacker with Flagg.
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Kinchens is nowhere near the best rookie Db lmao and I love that Kid
 
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brock said:
In 2024 with other teams
On dline
Harrison hunte had 6.5 sacks 9 tackles for loss
Harvey had 7.5 sacks 13 tackles for loss
Taylor is an nfl guy and producing
Chantz Williams 4 sacks 7 tackles for loss

At linebacker
Corey flagg
80 plus tackles for mizzou 5 tackles for loss


Safety
kam kinchens(probably the best rookie db in the nfl)

James Williams (making tackles in the nfl on defense at linebacker)

Cb
Plus couch who is with addae with the bills on the practice squad and Jaden Davis with the cardinals


We lost alot of talent, he11 we talk about the db losses but we underrated what we lost on the dline with hunte, Taylor and Harvey **** even at linebacker with Flagg.
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Flashback to CIS in Fall 2023:

"Kam will get cooked in the NFL"

"Leonard Taylor won't play a down in the league. Lazy bum and a complete waste of talent."

"James Williams ain't doing **** but free-lancing and getting caught out of position" (true, but whose fault was that?)

"Corey Flagg couldn't beat my granny in a footrace" (Yet Mizzou's coaches made it work)

The entire debacle at the Carrier Dome on Nov. 30 was a perfect closing summary of a bull**** defensive staff and, ultimately, the judgement of the person who hired them
 
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sfcane2 said:
Can anyone point to the reasons Guidry and the defense fell off a cliff. If we just had the 23 defense we’d still be playing. It can’t just be the loss of Kam and JW. We added a ton of portal lineman but got less pressure. I remember how worried we were about losing him to LSU and gave him a new deal.

What happened to the exotic pressures and 3rd quarter adjustments?

It reminds me somewhat of Alex Grinch and Don Brown.
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It's not complicated, really.

Lost some talented seniors. Replaced them with guys who were not as good/smart/experienced.

Add to that a certain stubborness about "you need to learn my system" instead of simplifying things for the defense, and it was a recipe for decline.
 
SPFRcane said:
I understand what you are saying but at the end of the day the game is the game and most if not all of these kids been playing it since child age. I understand the levels, terminology, schemes are more advance but sending players in motion should not do to us what it did. Also sometimes you gotta say F it I'm just gonna make a play.

I remember Ed Reed making plays just off instinct, alot of times it worked, but sometimes it did not...ie Penn St. in 99. The players from those teams made their coaches look alot smarter than they really were.

What about the basics like turning looking for balls when in coverage or knowing down and distance understanding leverage using the the sideline or funneling the play back inside for help for your teammates to make plays. We did none of that on a consistent basis. Is that teaching or is that just playing a game with confidence that you've been playing your almost entire life?
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How about defending the goal line, instead of being 5 yards in the end zone. How about once in a while just jamming the receivers, instead of giving them free releases. I remembered watching student of the game film review, and the moderator mentioned, that Mario and company needed to call out the ACC, because basically every team, were basically holding and mugging Restrepo.
 
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SlimeyChan said:
Facts brother. The whole defense was bad, it starts up front with the big guys. If you can’t set the edge you’ll lose and that’s what we did. We should’ve had more losses tbh.
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when the other team, brings in additional offensive linemen, and tight ends, and you are outnumbered in alignment, and you just don't slide anyone over, WTF.
 
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
You know why Mario can’t intervene with schematic changes? It’s because he’s not a schematic coach. He brings no value to coaching in that area. He cant help the defense figure things out like a Kirby, Lanning, Stoops, etc…..He cant tweak the offense like Kiffin, Harbaugh, **** Lashlee. (Not saying those coaches are perfect).

Mario has to stay out the way and ride the rollercoaster because he can’t help, outside of O-Line ****
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Exactly right. Mario is obviously the face of program, CEO, tirelessly overseer of recruiting. That’s why it’s incumbent for him to nail DC, OC hirings and allow them say over assistants.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
It's not complicated, really.

Lost some talented seniors. Replaced them with guys who were not as good/smart/experienced.

Add to that a certain stubborness about "you need to learn my system" instead of simplifying things for the defense, and it was a recipe for decline.
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along with regression across the DL
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
James Williams is in the NFL
Kam Kinchens is in the NFL
Leonard Taylor is in the NFL
Te’Cory Couch is gone
Jaden Davis was drafted by the NFL
Mauigoa got slow
Bain was injured and never himself
Damari brown was injured in week 1
Elijah Alston was injured most of the season
Losing Harvey and JHH was ****-on at the time, but they’re both good players and would have helped a ton. Branson Deen as well.
Jaden Harris is in the conversation for worst Miami safety of all-time
The defense wasn’t nearly as good as some of you remember. It was WAY better than this year, obviously, but not great. People just hated Dawson because of TVD, but the offense was statistically better last season.
We can’t recruit DBs to save our lives to replace the kids above we lost
Opposing coaches now have power level film on Guidry

Bottom line, we lost several NFL players/very good players and replaced them with **** on toast. Going from Kam and James to Meesh and Harris is like leaving Bern’s and diving thru Arby’s. Guidry was clearly outclassed schematically, but his staff and Mario did him no favors by again providing Arby’s. The portal additions have stunk, the DB recruiting has been beyond nightmarish conditions and Guidry was clueless.
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You assume Guidry and his assistants had no say in personnel. That would be completely false.
 
Pentagon Cane said:
You assume Guidry and his assistants had no say in personnel. That would be completely false.
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How can you possibly ascertain that was my assumption after reading my post?

The thread is about Guidry. I literally wrote, verbatim, his staff and Mario gave him *** juice for players. ALL of the coaches have a hand in this. Just like all of the coaches, Mario obviously included, deserve massive credit for fielding the best offense in the history of the school. They all deserve violent floggings for fielding the worst defense in anyone’s memory. And when you field the worst defense imaginable, people have to be fired. It’s why I’ve said for a month there is zero chance Guidry survives this. It literally cannot and did not happen. When you’re that bad, historically bad, changes are not optional.

So I didn’t assume Guidry and his assistants had no say in personnel. At all. They did. And they failed. And that’s why buddy is back in LA counting his money and making gumbo right now.
 
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SPFRcane said:
So when kids come to UM they turn into robots who are scared to play outside of the scheme (to a certain extent or within reason) or scared to make mistakes? Playing DB is the most I don't give a **** position in all of sports. You may get me this time but I will when the war!!
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OMG a cis poster who understands football and that coaches aren’t in pads
 
TheOriginalCane said:
It's not complicated, really.

Lost some talented seniors. Replaced them with guys who were not as good/smart/experienced.

Add to that a certain stubborness about "you need to learn my system" instead of simplifying things for the defense, and it was a recipe for decline.
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This. All of this. He chose to die on his sword so be it.
 
Whenever something gets this bad, it’s never a result of just one thing. Looked to be a combo of

1. Losing physically talented players
2. The new players not being good enough fundamentally to cover up their physical limitations
3. Guidry not being good at accentuating strengths and hiding weaknesses.

There were legit issues in roster talent, player development, and coach competency.

Prime example: How long did it take him to realize Alderman was better on passing downs than one dimensional Kiko?
 
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