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IMO, greatness transcends eras...if you're good, you're good. when you start getting into "well, he wasn't very big" its all clown-speak There are plenty of examples of players that defy size requirements in today's and recent NFL.

In this exercise...you line up All-American tackles against Hall of Fame linemen and let it play out...the size and whatnot is just mental *********ion.
 
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I generally would agree with you except the differences are pretty dramatic physically. Even if you go back to the 70s and 80s, you'll see DEs that were 230 lbs going against linemen that were 270-280. Now you have DEs going at 260-280 going against dudes that are 300+ and who are just as quick or quicker than the guys from previous decades. Agree that it's complete mental *********ion, but it's hard to reconcile measurable disparities like that without thinking that the old school guy would likely get beat.

Ultimately, I agree with you though. You just let great players play and see where the chips fall.
 
With me, it's just about visualizing the team on the field and how the pieces would fit. It's harder to do with the Golden Age players. Doesn't mean they aren't better players.
 
DMoney said:
With me, it's just about visualizing the team on the field and how the pieces would fit. It's harder to do with the Golden Age players. Doesn't mean they aren't better players.
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That's the other aspect of it. We've all created something from scratch here with a vision. You saw Lu create a 3-4. That's what makes this thing fun as ****.
 
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Special teams were always a big part of our great units, some of you guys are waiting until the end for these game-changers.
 
My version of the rule was a mix of Tano's S&C rule and Larry's great players rule. I wanted guys who looked like with some modern training, could be modern guys. I just couldn't mentally fit the guys onto my team who were totally from another era. But as I mentioned with an Eddie Edwards, the guy was a 260 lb. DE in the '70s. No worries there. And Gary Dunn -- the guy was a nose tackle on the Steelers in the '70s and '80s. No worries there. Even Dan Conners, who I took -- he was a relatively big LB for the era (230 lbs in the '60s). So for me, I was looking for guys who dominated when they played, had legit pro careers (or who I saw live and could assess), and who looked like they could be trained up for this day and age. That's just how I was looking at it. I also wanted them to fit together into a team that made sense and caused match-up challenges and could adjust to different squads.

Edit: I guess part of what I was thinking was if guys proved out in the NFL, then whatever era they came from, no matter to me. But if they didn't, I had more trouble with the comparisons -- particularly because absent that, if you didn't see them, how do you know what you're getting?
 
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Okay, so with his final defensive pick, Sands takes Denzel Perryman, LB. First-Team Freshman All-America, and one of the best young LBs I've seen in years. This is a projection, no doubt, but there are some other guys who's UM time was cut short, and are projections too, in effect. And I'm okay with that all around.

I struggled here because there's a LB on the board who deserves to be taken. Tano and I discussed him. He led UM in tackles 3 times in the '80s and completed his time at UM as the school's all-time leading tackler (since broken by Dan Morgan). I went for Conners with that spot, based on my NFL production view described above. At my last LB spot, from a team construction POV, I wanted a guy who I think can play inside and out, as I like the flexibility to put Hendricks at DE or LB, and can't do that if I have two pure ILBs to go with Webster (who also could play inside and out). So I'm taking a risk with Denzel, but also think this is a pick that could make me look good in a few years, similar to a Graham, B. Wash, CC and some other guys. This is the biggest projection yet, because of his youth. But I like that I've got a guy who will play for UM this fall. And I think he'll end up being a better pro than the guy I'm passing on (who didn't end up being a pro, despite his UM success).

So there it is.
 
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Too much value here to pass up. I have a specialist spot open, and I'm going to draft a great one with my next pick. He made second team all ACC in 2004. He was definitely a capable receiver, amassing 81 receptions during his time at Miami, with 43 coming his final year. His real value for me though comes via his ability to return punts. He returned 70 punts for a 13.7 average and 3 TDs during his 3 years as an active player for Miami, and has repeated that success in the pros, having been drafted in the 2nd round, returning 3 punts for TDs and actually two years in a row leading the NFL in yards per return.

He's Roscoe Parrish and he's my next draft pick.
 
And Larry for the eight hundredth time please add Kevin patrick to my **** roster.
 
This next pick is a bit more strategy, as I have higher rated players at positions of more need, but my fellow draftees have already filled up their spots at these positions, so, I should have free range to get these guys later...

So, with these next picks...

First guy...All-American TE and still holds the record for most catches by a TE at Miami in a season and the second highest reception total by any player all-time, and second most catches for his career...

First pick is...Willie Smith.
 
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Tano said:
Too much value here to pass up. I have a specialist spot open, and I'm going to draft a great one with my next pick. He made second team all ACC in 2004. He was definitely a capable receiver, amassing 81 receptions during his time at Miami, with 43 coming his final year. His real value for me though comes via his ability to return punts. He returned 70 punts for a 13.7 average and 3 TDs during his 3 years as an active player for Miami, and has repeated that success in the pros, having been drafted in the 2nd round, returning 3 punts for TDs and actually two years in a row leading the NFL in yards per return.

He's Roscoe Parrish and he's my next draft pick.
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That's who I was wondering about a few posts ago. I figured you or K9 would pick him up.
 
Second pick...Miami's first TWO-TIME All-American...wide receiver...scored two touchdowns in Super Bowl II...

Bill Miller.
 
I really like my passing game...very versatile pass offense, I got.

Got OJ and Mel Bratton on the backfield...two guys that can pass block and catch the ball out of the backfield...
At TE got Willie Smith and Jimmy Graham...can move those guys all around, split'em out, put Smith in motion...
Got Playmaker, Miami's first 2x All-American, and can put Jim Dooley in there to do a lot of things...split him out wide, inside, close to the line. The wide outs run 6'2", 6'1", and 6'4" respectively. Also got Jimmy at 6'8".

My passing game is a problem, boys.
 
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Lu, where do you want Kevin Williams?

He can play WR, too, but I put him as your specialist...
 
Larry said:
I really like my passing game...very versatile pass offense, I got.

Got OJ and Mel Bratton on the backfield...two guys that can pass block and catch the ball out of the backfield...
At TE got Willie Smith and Jimmy Graham...can move those guys all around, split'em out, put Smith in motion...
Got Playmaker, Miami's first 2x All-American, and can put Jim Dooley in there to do a lot of things...split him out wide, inside, close to the line. The wide outs run 6'2", 6'1", and 6'4" respectively. Also got Jimmy at 6'8".

My passing game is a problem, boys.
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It better be quick hitting routes, because those tackles won't hold up too well.
 
LuCane said:
Larry said:
I really like my passing game...very versatile pass offense, I got.

Got OJ and Mel Bratton on the backfield...two guys that can pass block and catch the ball out of the backfield...
At TE got Willie Smith and Jimmy Graham...can move those guys all around, split'em out, put Smith in motion...
Got Playmaker, Miami's first 2x All-American, and can put Jim Dooley in there to do a lot of things...split him out wide, inside, close to the line. The wide outs run 6'2", 6'1", and 6'4" respectively. Also got Jimmy at 6'8".

My passing game is a problem, boys.
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It better be quick hitting routes, because those tackles won't hold up too well.
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I've had two very capable tackles for what I'm trying to do...heck, they've done it before...but I've had no reason to take them...ya'll filled the OT spot much earlier...so, no need to take the OT's that I would have taken ahead of quite a few tackles and other offensive linemen taken...so, I just leave the spot open, I'll take them with my last two picks, simply because I know they won't be taken.
 
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