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2024 Zaquan Patterson - Safety, Chaminade

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WeBallinBoyz said:
There are two separate points of evaluation in my head: the current team, and the '24 recruiting class. The current team has no excuse for going less than 8-4. DMoney mentioned the schedule being concerning...well it's a top 10 easiest schedule in the country. It has 1 game we're double-digit underdogs in, and that's a rivalry game against FSU. UNC is extremely beatable, and yet we talk about them as if they're some perennial 10-2 squad. We were dogsh!t last season and almost beat them. They lost their top two receiving options and a top 10 OC in college football. They replaced him with Chip Lindsey, and still have an atrocious defensive unit coached by a washed DC. NC State, while soundly coached, has a very medicore offensive personnel on paper. UVA, GT, BC should all be gimmes. Stay healthy and it would be extremely concerning not to win 8, 9 games.
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I agree with all this…BC is a little improved though. But yeah it's not a "top 10 easiest" in country. It is manageable though for sure.
WeBallinBoyz said:
A big part of the reason for optimism about the '23 season is....surprise surprise, the '23 class. And what's not to love about this? I don't want to go over every single recruit, but we signed 13 players in the top 204, and 16 in the top 450 and 21 in the Top 750. The only players we didn't sign in that Top 750 were Pulliam (760), Tinilau (project OL), and our punter. Most of them are already competing for spots in the two deep.

We've got what...single digits inside the top 450? You need to stack classes on top of one another in order to build a machine of a program. A two/three deep where the drop off isn't something insanely horrifying, sort of like this year for us. God forbid we lose Matt Lee, TVD, Damari Brown, Kam, etc....big drop off in talent. Bumps can come in rankings, sure. Kids can get better during their senior seasons. Maybe we're just well ahead of the curve, **** I hope so. I'm not actively rooting against anyone in the class. If they're Canes, I wholeheartedly support them.

But make NO MISTAKE, we desperately need better talent in this class. Less projects, more guys that will fight for the two-deep in '24. It's essential for the continued growth of this roster. Our "evals" were still pretty decently-rated recruits (Pulliam, Bobby, Horton, Johnson, etc). Our evals this year? Tape talks, offers talk, money talks...we're lacking in all three with some of these recruits.
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Agree class needs to finish strong and get better, or portal has to be excellent.

I don't really care about rankings. And when I do…I go by final. For instance that Dalias kid tape POPS…If you think he's in the 800s, the 1000s, etc…Well to each their own, looks like a beast to me. I don't think there is anywhere near 300 football players in the country better than Elijah Lofton. Also what do you mean by "money talks" with some of these recruits? At least with regards to tape and offers also talking? You are saying we spent on players we didn't or that others wouldn't?

I think there still is a place for those who can out-evaluate 247. Not saying we're a lock to be that, but I do get that feel.

Probably don't have time to address all, I agree with some of your points, not with others…The one thing I will disagree with is only a very small part of optimism for this year is because of the class of 23…That's more of a future thing for me. It does play a small part of course.

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skeeter said:
I also don't think what I'm doing can be classified as defending…It's more reserving judgement

And I want to know what is the alternative to it?

Flying banners and running him out of town during/after year 2? Want to see a mass exodus? A nail in the coffin? Go ahead be my guest
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Yes, that's extreme imo. I probably come off as agitated and restless, but it's more that I've seen this song and dance before...the whole "we're not spending money" thing, the evals...it's PTSD.

It's more frustrating than anything else because we allegedly have the tools necessary to compete and alter the trajectory in which this program has followed the past two decades, and '23 showed that. But '24 hasn't, and now we also need to win on the field in order to save both the perception of Miami football under Mario Cristobal, and the '24 class. It's just added pressure we shouldn't have to deal with, but we have put ourselves in this position.
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
Yes, that's extreme imo. I probably come off as agitated and restless, but it's more that I've seen this song and dance before...the whole "we're not spending money" thing, the evals...it's PTSD.

It's more frustrating than anything else because we allegedly have the tools necessary to compete and alter the trajectory in which this program has followed the past two decades, and '23 showed that. But '24 hasn't, and now we also need to win on the field in order to save both the perception of Miami football under Mario Cristobal, and the '24 class. It's just added pressure we shouldn't have to deal with, but we have put ourselves in this position.Oh for sure
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Last year was hideous…And it's on no one but CMC to dig himself out.

There is a small element of it that was culture shock imo….I think there were some **** poor performances and attitudes from upperclassmen, but hey he could have managed it better. Gattis is on him as well…Don't get me wrong, SOMEONE was going to give Josh Gattis a big contract after the Michigan offensive explosion…And the hope is that he LEARNED from a good offensive mind in Harbaugh... but you have to be good enough to see through him and it not be you. It's alarming that CMC fell for it.

It's also alarming in today's day and age of offensive football when you hire an OC that NEEDS a QB coach as well. It was weird to me at the time, and I try not to play couch coach…But how did the think that was necessary or healthy if you are hiring a capable OC?
 
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BJ305 said:
I think Miami will pay anything to get these kids i think the nil factor is over stated , its really the on field product and the constant coaching overhauls we make, alot of these kids never saw miami be good , wasn't Miami fans growing up, we went 5-7 last year and these kids love who ever winning at the time and its starts to build a pipeline that's why we Ohio state , Georgia and bama always stealing guys out our backyard.
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Aguirre - Cuban kid with ties to South Florida. Pretty sure he lived there for awhile.

Mauigoa - ( elite) Img kid that the staff could work on non stop and sell keeping him here.

Bain - South Florida kid thats family is Canes and his freaking nickname is “ Hurricane”.

Fletcher - South Florida kid that’s family are big Cane fans

Wayne - Read Mauigoa.

R Washington - South Florida kid

N Joseph - South Florida kid

R Williams - See Mauigoa & Wayne

Stafford - In state kid

D Brown - South Florida kid

Bryant - In state kid.

Acheampong - Oos kid

Okunlola - Oos kid ( elite )

Horton - Oos kid who’s best offer was Unc


That’s our highest rated kids from last years class. Do you see any connection or difference with this class? Or are we just now poor ? We landed two oos highly rated kids in last class. No high level, Ellie’s Dt’s. Now go look at this class and you see some of the same trends. Biggest difference is the 24 class in Florida is sub par. If you want to compare both classes let’s do apples to apples.

As I’ve said “ going full on national for most of your class will be a battle”. Especially when you‘re focusing on DT’s. There’s only a few elite guys and every program wants them. The teams that normally get those guys are national programs that win, develop , play in big games and also pay. As of now we just pay.

That said I still think we add some really good guys and have some surprises. If the class ends in a flop we’ll have plenty time to rip everyone. We’ve proven to do that well. Even if it’s year one.
 
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skeeter said:
Last year was hideous…And it's on no one but CMC to dig himself out.

There is a small element of it that was culture shock imo….I think there were some **** poor performances and attitudes from upperclassmen, but hey he could have managed it better. Gattis is on him as well…Don't get me wrong, SOMEONE was going to give Josh Gattis a big contract, but you have to be good enough to see through him and it not be you. It's alarming that CMC fell for it.
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I agreed with you and @b caned about the culture aspect last year. Also very easy for players that don't put in the work to just quit when the season is an unmitigated disaster and you don't respect your coordinators. But I think that excuse goes out the window this year. Whoever wasn't talented enough or a culture misfit, they had the chance to leave after the '22 season and again post-Spring. Heck, they can still leave right now if they don't like where they're at on the depth chart.
 
Cribby said:
That’s our highest rated kids from last years class. Do you see any connection or difference with this class? Or are we just now poor ? We landed two oos highly rated kids in last class. No high level, Ellie’s Dt’s. Now go look at this class and you see some of the same trends. Biggest difference is the 24 class in Florida is sub par. If you want to compare both classes let’s do apples to apples.

As I’ve said “ going full on national for most of your class will be a battle”. Especially when you‘re focusing on DT’s. There’s only a few elite guys and every program wants them. The teams that normally get those guys are national programs that win, develop , play in big games and also pay. As of now we just pay.
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Great points here ^^…I don't have official numbers but it seems like there's usually about 35-40 Fla kids in a national top 200. This year there's 28…only 10 in the top 75 (that number is usually a little higher too)…Now it's on the staff to adjust, and they sure are trying.
Cribby said:
That said I still think we add some really good guys and have some surprises. If the class ends in a flop we’ll have plenty time to rip everyone. We’ve proven to do that well. Even if it’s year one.
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RVACane said:
Yes. You did your research and still don’t know better.

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I’ve done this enough to know what I’m dealing with. And I’ve banned people on one post.

You’re not getting new or reborn from banned angry mope friends. And you aren’t defending yourself, you’ve been the aggressor lately.

And just like that the switch goes off as the @joshvalencia1996 straw breaks the camel’s back and the miserable mope crybabies have surpassed the bully slurpers as the bigger board ********.

I am going to pile drive aggressive miserable mope ******** into the e-pavement.
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Cribby said:
Aguirre - Cuban kid with ties to South Florida. Pretty sure he lived there for awhile.

Mauigoa - ( elite) Img kid that the staff could work on non stop and sell keeping him here.

Bain - South Florida kid thats family is Canes and his freaking nickname is “ Hurricane”. As well as his family being Cane as it gets.

Fletcher - South Florida kid that’s family are big Cane fans

Wayne - Read Mauigoa.

R Washington - South Florida kid

N Joseph - South Florida kid

R Williams - See Mauigoa & Wayne

Stafford - In state kid

D Brown - South Florida kid

Bryant - In state kid.

Acheampong - Oos kid

Okunlola - Oos kid ( elite )

Horton - Oos kid who’s best offer was Unc


That’s our highest rated kids from last years class. Do you see any connection or difference with this class? Or are we just now poor ? We landed two oos highly rated kids in last class. No high level, Ellie’s Dt’s. Now go look at this class and you see some of the same trends. Biggest difference is the 24 class in Florida is sub par. If you want to compare both classes let’s do apples to apples.

As I’ve said “ going full on national for most of your class will be a battle”. Especially when you‘re focusing on DT’s. There’s only a few elite guys and every program wants them. The teams that normally get those guys are national programs that win, develop , play in big games and also pay. As of now we just pay.

That said I still think we add some really good guys and have some surprises. If the class ends in a flop we’ll have plenty time to rip everyone. We’ve proven to do that well. Even if it’s year one.
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Fair enough, but we've failed to land any IMG kids this year thus far. Land Stone and maybe the narrative changes, but Robinson, Jackson, Stone, Jordan Seaton, Lindsey, etc.
 
skeeter said:
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It's also alarming in today's day and age of offensive football when you hire an OC that NEEDS a QB coach as well. It was weird to me at the time, and I try not to play couch coach…But how did the think that was necessary or healthy if you are hiring a capable OC?
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And just to further my point here...

If you need to hire a QB coach to help Josh Gattis…Because he doesn't have experience with QB…Or he just plain doesn't have the acumen…THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE HIRING JOSH GATTIS. It's really that simple. Ponce/Gattis may clash…2 voices in TVD's head on top of what he learned good and bad from Lashlee, on top of the fact I'm sure he's had a private QB coach at some point, etc...
 
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Cribby said:
Aguirre - Cuban kid with ties to South Florida. Pretty sure he lived there for awhile.

Mauigoa - ( elite) Img kid that the staff could work on non stop and sell keeping him here.

Bain - South Florida kid thats family is Canes and his freaking nickname is “ Hurricane”.

Fletcher - South Florida kid that’s family are big Cane fans

Wayne - Read Mauigoa.

R Washington - South Florida kid

N Joseph - South Florida kid

R Williams - See Mauigoa & Wayne

Stafford - In state kid

D Brown - South Florida kid

Bryant - In state kid.

Acheampong - Oos kid

Okunlola - Oos kid ( elite )

Horton - Oos kid who’s best offer was Unc


That’s our highest rated kids from last years class. Do you see any connection or difference with this class? Or are we just now poor ? We landed two oos highly rated kids in last class. No high level, Ellie’s Dt’s. Now go look at this class and you see some of the same trends. Biggest difference is the 24 class in Florida is sub par. If you want to compare both classes let’s do apples to apples.

As I’ve said “ going full on national for most of your class will be a battle”. Especially when you‘re focusing on DT’s. There’s only a few elite guys and every program wants them. The teams that normally get those guys are national programs that win, develop , play in big games and also pay. As of now we just pay.

That said I still think we add some really good guys and have some surprises. If the class ends in a flop we’ll have plenty time to rip everyone. We’ve proven to do that well. Even if it’s year one.
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Two questions. And pretend (not hard) that I'm dumb.

1. Are you saying this year's plan all along was to recruit nationally and we should expect a lot of misses?

2. Is south Florida loaded next cycle?
 
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