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Wiltfong talks Miami

OrangeBowlMagic said:
I think people get a little confused when I talk this stuff, and again, you're NOT wrong. You do need competency everywhere.

But what I'm saying is I will put a pretty good staff at Alabama and you can take the best football staff ever assembled at Arizona St and I am going to beat the everloving dog**** out of you 98 times out of 100.

That's all I mean. Yes, if you can pair elite football coaches with Top 5 classes, you're going to have a monster program. And if you have Willie Taggart or Will Muschamp running your program, you can give them all the Top 5 classes you want, they're not going to have sustained success. Same thing with Nick Saban with ~Top 30 classes.

He's already proven it. Now, I'm not saying he hasn't improved as a coach, because naturally he has as he's gotten more experienced. But with average kids in East Lansing, he went 34-24-1 in 5 seasons. When he got to LSU, where he could recruit in one of the most fertile recruiting landscapes in the country, he lost 12 games in his first 3 years before he got his kids in there and they turned it around. Was he that much better of a coach in Year 4 at LSU vs his first 3 and his tenure at Michigan State? Of course not. But he was a very good coach, and he finally got REALLY good players. Bang.
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I agree with everything you wrote. Nobody is winning without the talent. And all things being equal, if I can only pick one thing, I'm taking talent every time.

I do think the question becomes more interesting at the talent margins with coaching, though. Like, give Willie T (HC), Gattis (OC), and No-D (DC) Alabama's roster (at 89% blue-chips) then give LSU's roster (at 66%) to Kyle Whittingham (HC), Dan Mullen (OC) Brent Venables (DC) and I'm putting my money on LSU to win that match-up more often than not (notwithstanding the talent disadvantage).
 
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Ricaneswag said:
It's all about if we have the patience as a fan base to allow them to overhaul the talent forever so this doesn't happen again. So we don't die for 20 years looking for a revival. There will be some sort of system in place that allows to get the best yearly.
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Mario will be fine as long as the team looks prepared most weeks, regardless of wins and loses.

A bad loss here or there won’t do him in, but if he wants to keep the goodwill of the fan base he can’t have anymore season long debacles.

Last year went the way it did because of terrible team chemistry and poor coordinating. I think he has fixed both those issues.

He just has to put a competent product out while he continues upgrading the roster. He needs to find a way to manage the injury situation better as well. Find a better way to acclimate his guys to the increased physicality and know when to dial it back when necessary.
 
TruCane81 said:
Mario will be fine as long as the team looks prepared most weeks, regardless of wins and loses.

A bad loss here or there won’t do him in, but if he wants to keep the goodwill of the fan base he can’t have anymore season long debacles.

Last year went the way it did because of terrible team chemistry and poor coordinating. I think he has fixed both those issues.

He just has to put a competent product out while he continues upgrading the roster. He needs to find a way to manage the injury situation better as well. Find a better way to acclimate his guys to the increased physicality and know when to dial it back when necessary.
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I think this year could be bad or decent. I think after this season though we shouldn't have really bad bad seasons. Should be stacked enough up front on both sides where we can run it with a mean running game and elite DL play.
 
Ricaneswag said:
I think this year could be bad or decent. I think after this season though we shouldn't have really bad bad seasons. Should be stacked enough up front on both sides where we can run it with a mean running game and elite DL play.
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If our guys adjust to the coordinators we’ll, I think you will be surprised by our potential.

We will be young at some spots, so that can cause hiccups, but I expect the chemistry improvement and better offense for Tyler to make a huge difference.

We were a good run blocking team before injuries set in. We are even better and deeper now. I think Colbie will have at least 800 yards receiving but think he can have a year like Hurns’ senior year. I expect the slot and TE to be productive. I think George will be above average at the z. If he takes a big step or someone pushes him, we can really get cooking on offense. If Tyler gets close to his potential, we will be a good ACC offense.

The defense concerns me. I think we can pressure the passer but I’m disappointed by not getting a 1t in the portal. Guidry might be able to shore up the run defense with scheme. He is used to not having a big nose tackle. He is the type of coordinator to make it work. The cover 4 will help us. If we can get the second corner to play average or better, I think we will be okay.

Health is key though. If we lose a bunch of starters, we can be a .500 team, but that is the scale for 97% of the teams in cfb.
 
TruCane81 said:
If our guys adjust to the coordinators we’ll, I think you will be surprised by our potential.

We will be young at some spots, so that can cause hiccups, but I expect the chemistry improvement and better offense for Tyler to make a huge difference.

We were a good run blocking team before injuries set in. We are even better and deeper now. I think Colbie will have at least 800 yards receiving but think he can have a year like Hurns’ senior year. I expect the slot and TE to be productive. I think George will be above average at the z. If he takes a big step or someone pushes him, we can really get cooking on offense. If Tyler gets close to his potential, we will be a good ACC offense.

The defense concerns me. I think we can pressure the passer but I’m disappointed by not getting a 1t in the portal. Guidry might be able to shore up the run defense with scheme. He is used to not having a big nose tackle. He is the type of coordinator to make it work. The cover 4 will help us. If we can get the second corner to play average or better, I think we will be okay.

Health is key though. If we lose a bunch of starters, we can be a .500 team, but that is the scale for 97% of the teams in cfb.
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Yea it can easily swing this way as well. One of those years. I actually hope your view plays out.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
I agree with everything you wrote. Nobody is winning without the talent. And all things being equal, if I can only pick one thing, I'm taking talent every time.

I do think the question becomes more interesting at the talent margins with coaching, though. Like, give Willie T (HC), Gattis (OC), and No-D (DC) Alabama's roster (at 89% blue-chips) then give LSU's roster (at 66%) to Kyle Whittingham (HC), Dan Mullen (OC) Brent Venables (DC) and I'm putting my money on LSU to win that match-up more often than not (notwithstanding the talent disadvantage).
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I would also add to this evaluation capability. We have had decent blue chip ratio for some time but most kids flamed out including those that transferred out to other schools. Many were overrated IMO.

One thing I’ve noticed about Mario is not only is he recruiting at a much higher level, he’s pulling in kids that seem to have low bustability.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
You're right, and I know you're on my side of the coin on most of this stuff, but here's how I see it:

Signing Top 10 classes doesn't guarantee you'll have great results, but not signing Top 10 classes does guarantee you won't.

There's always small caveats and exceptions to rules, etc. but essentially this is it. Just cause you get the talent doesn't guarantee you'll be good, but not getting the talent will guarantee you won't. As far as getting at or near the top of the sport. You may win a division or have a good year, but I'm talking sustained excellence. It always has been and always will be ABC in college football....All Bout Crootin.
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I actually agree with you.

What was TT and Cincinnati recruiting rankings when they made the playoffs. Just curious.
 
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canecrazy23 said:
I actually agree with you.

What was TT and Cincinnati recruiting rankings when they made the playoffs. Just curious.
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Cincinnati is probably the best recruiting G5 program in the country and they're usually ranked in the 40's nationally. It's tough to build a multi year contender that way though. Even playing in a relatively easy AAC. That's why teams like Cincinnati and UCF can have great runs for a year or two but eventually fall back to earth while teams like Alabama and Ohio State are consistently at/near the top for over a decade.
 
canecrazy23 said:
I actually agree with you.

What was TT and Cincinnati recruiting rankings when they made the playoffs. Just curious.
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Who is TT?

Cincinnati recruits in the 30s. They got smoked off the field and immediately reverted to their mean the following year. I said “sustained success”. Not a 1 year flash in the pan. A good coach can do that if the ball bounces their way for a season. Nobody can do it year after year after year unless they croot.
 
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Odin said:
WOW,this seems like a tough task with 8 3* commits at the moment and looking like we'll add 3-4 more 3 * in the class.
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1. Not all the 3 star recruits will be 3 star recruits at the end of the cycle

2. We’re not limited to 25 this class

3. If the 3 stars don’t perform as seniors then we will get “out recruited” by other programs who “flip” them.
 
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Ricaneswag said:
It's all about if we have the patience as a fan base to allow them to overhaul the talent forever so this doesn't happen again. So we don't die for 20 years looking for a revival. There will be some sort of system in place that allows to get the best yearly.
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I will deal with all the coaching problems and support him fixing that roster. We know he aint gonna leave either..
 
DTP said:
It’s going to take more than just signing top 10 classes if we’re being honest. Look at Texas. They have 7 top 10 classes in the last decade including multiple top 3 classes. They’ve had 1 ten win season during that time.
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Texas aint a good barometer they have overrated recruits in their class every year since iw as born to selll scripts to their fan bases.

Sh*t they barely have players drafted most years.
 
grover said:
1. Not all the 3 star recruits will be 3 star recruits at the end of the cycle

2. We’re not limited to 25 this class

3. If the 3 stars don’t perform as seniors then we will get “out recruited” by other programs who “flip” them.
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Agree but still we'll have around 10 3*s and don't know if you can finish with a top 3 class even if we land 15 4 and 5*s.
 
supacane said:
I will deal with all the coaching problems and support him fixing that roster. We know he aint gonna leave either..
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I rather have a coaching problem than a roster problem. They will say we have had a coaching problem yes it's true we have. But we haven't sent studs to the league and those coaches brought those dudes in. In three to four years you going to see some high round draft picks coming from the u again. Can't wait. Mario will stack
 
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