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DTP said:
It’s going to take more than just signing top 10 classes if we’re being honest. Look at Texas. They have 7 top 10 classes in the last decade including multiple top 3 classes. They’ve had 1 ten win season during that time.
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I feel like after you get the coordinators its more about hitting on your QB evals and then solid coordinators. Texas issue is they kept firing coaches so fast couldn't have any familiarity
 
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DTP said:
It’s going to take more than just signing top 10 classes if we’re being honest. Look at Texas. They have 7 top 10 classes in the last decade including multiple top 3 classes. They’ve had 1 ten win season during that time.
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Agreed.

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This was last year's blue chip ratio chart.
OU, A&M, Florida, Miami, Auburn. All finished with losing records. All in the top 15 of "roster talent".

It's more than just stacking talent. Have to develop them and coach them up too if you want to compete in the top 5/10 regularly of college football.
 
Odysseus said:
I feel like after you get the coordinators its more about hitting on your QB evals and then solid coordinators. Texas issue is they kept firing coaches so fast couldn't have any familiarity
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Texas has been all over the place with their coaching hires but let's be honest, none of those guys deserved to be retained. I mean they've been worse than we have for a while. You could pin some of it on bad evals but we're talking about multiple staffs completely blowing evals on multiple top classes. That's really hard to do.
 
Yoyo82 said:
Agreed.

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This was last year's blue chip ratio chart.
OU, A&M, Florida, Miami, Auburn. All finished with losing records. All in the top 15 of "roster talent".

It's more than just stacking talent. Have to develop them and coach them up too if you want to compete in the top 5/10 regularly of college football.
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For sure. Is it easier to win if you're singing the top class every year? **** yes it is. Does signing a top ten class every year guarantee great results? Absolutely not.
 
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DTP said:
For sure. Is it easier to win if you're singing the top class every year? **** yes it is. Does signing a top ten class every year guarantee great results? Absolutely not.
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You're right, and I know you're on my side of the coin on most of this stuff, but here's how I see it:

Signing Top 10 classes doesn't guarantee you'll have great results, but not signing Top 10 classes does guarantee you won't.

There's always small caveats and exceptions to rules, etc. but essentially this is it. Just cause you get the talent doesn't guarantee you'll be good, but not getting the talent will guarantee you won't. As far as getting at or near the top of the sport. You may win a division or have a good year, but I'm talking sustained excellence. It always has been and always will be ABC in college football....All Bout Crootin.
 
Ricaneswag said:
It's all about if we have the patience as a fan base to allow them to overhaul the talent forever so this doesn't happen again. So we don't die for 20 years looking for a revival. There will be some sort of system in place that allows to get the best yearly.
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Yep, gotta give Mario time. All he needs to do is hit on coordinators & coaches & will be contending for nattys again. Talent wise we will be on UGA, BAMA level shortly.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
You're right, and I know you're on my side of the coin on most of this stuff, but here's how I see it:

Signing Top 10 classes doesn't guarantee you'll have great results, but not signing Top 10 classes does guarantee you won't.

There's always small caveats and exceptions to rules, etc. but essentially this is it. Just cause you get the talent doesn't guarantee you'll be good, but not getting the talent will guarantee you won't. As far as getting at or near the top of the sport. You may win a division or have a good year, but I'm talking sustained excellence. It always has been and always will be ABC in college football....All Bout Crootin.
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100% Agree. You'll never put yourself in contention long term if you're not recruiting at a high level. Jimmys and Joes and whatnot. I just believe there's more to winning consistently than just having more talent than your opponent. If there's one thing Miami fans should understand it's that.
 
DTP said:
100% Agree. You'll never put yourself in contention long term if you're not recruiting at a high level. Jimmys and Joes and whatnot. I just believe there's more to winning consistently than just having more talent than your opponent. If there's one thing Miami fans should understand it's that.
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Fosho. You gotta have some football coaches too. No doubt about it. If you have Larry Coker on your sideline and structuring your entire program, I don't care how many Jon Beason's and Greg Olsen's you have, you're gonna struggle.

But to me, because of what I said, I go for ceiling when I look for a coach. And ceiling = recruiting prowess. It's the reason I went berserk on this board for years when arguments like Lane vs Mario came up. Give me Mario 10000000% of the time. Do I know Mario can win a natty? **** no I don't, and I wouldn't be surprised if he can't. But I *KNOW* he can recruit at the level that it takes to do so, and I *KNOW* Lane cannot. And when you say you cannot win a championship without recruiting ~Top 5 classes, give me the guy who can do that and I'll keep my fingers crossed that his coaching accumen can match his recruiting prowess. Because the guy who can't recruit ~Top 5 classes has literally no chance, his ceiling is completely capped.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Just cause you get the talent doesn't guarantee you'll be good, but not getting the talent will guarantee you won't.
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DTP said:
I just believe there's more to winning consistently than just having more talent than your opponent.
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I consider both points fundamental truths of winning college football.

There is a talent floor that must be met to achieve high-end results in college football. But, simply meeting that talent floor without more is generally not enough to achieve high-end results.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I consider both points fundamental truths of winning college football.

There is a talent floor that must be met to achieve high-end results in college football. But, simply meeting that talent floor without more is generally not enough to achieve high-end results.
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I think people get a little confused when I talk this stuff, and again, you're NOT wrong. You do need competency everywhere.

But what I'm saying is I will put a pretty good staff at Alabama and you can take the best football staff ever assembled at Arizona St and I am going to beat the everloving dog**** out of you 98 times out of 100.

That's all I mean. Yes, if you can pair elite football coaches with Top 5 classes, you're going to have a monster program. And if you have Willie Taggart or Will Muschamp running your program, you can give them all the Top 5 classes you want, they're not going to have sustained success. Same thing with Nick Saban with ~Top 30 classes.

He's already proven it. Now, I'm not saying he hasn't improved as a coach, because naturally he has as he's gotten more experienced. But with average kids in East Lansing, he went 34-24-1 in 5 seasons. When he got to LSU, where he could recruit in one of the most fertile recruiting landscapes in the country, he lost 12 games in his first 3 years before he got his kids in there and they turned it around. Was he that much better of a coach in Year 4 at LSU vs his first 3 and his tenure at Michigan State? Of course not. But he was a very good coach, and he finally got REALLY good players. Bang.
 
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JgDaCane said:
Yep, gotta give Mario time. All he needs to do is hit on coordinators & coaches & will be contending for nattys again. Talent wise we will be on UGA, BAMA level shortly.
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I think we really start machine type winning when the class we just signed are seniors. Obviously some are three and out. But I think that the holes on the roster by that time should be like clock work. Reloading type shy, but I think by then the roster will be UM caliber and mature enough mentally and physically.

It is possible we can arrive earlier on the scene than scheduled. I rather be realistic and patient, if we shock people I'm all for that. I just want us to have sustained success not a one year thing or two year thing. I'm confident that MC has the exact blueprint on how to build a sustained power. I have seen it throughout cfb and I know it when I see it, this is the way it's done.
 
Udynasty said:
I can see Miami with a top 3 class when all it's said and done. If we improve on the field like we are expected to, I see top 3 easily.
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we had a top 3 class I believe til Cormani dipped. and we went 5-7 lol if we win 8 games, we'll have a top 3 class.
 
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DTP said:
It’s going to take more than just signing top 10 classes if we’re being honest. Look at Texas. They have 7 top 10 classes in the last decade including multiple top 3 classes. They’ve had 1 ten win season during that time.
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Its an equal mix of talent acquisition, evaluations, development (coaching/culture) & scheme. Talent acquisition being #1 but you still cant be below average in any one area and expect to field top 10 teams.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Fosho. You gotta have some football coaches too. No doubt about it. If you have Larry Coker on your sideline and structuring your entire program, I don't care how many Jon Beason's and Greg Olsen's you have, you're gonna struggle.

But to me, because of what I said, I go for ceiling when I look for a coach. And ceiling = recruiting prowess. It's the reason I went berserk on this board for years when arguments like Lane vs Mario came up. Give me Mario 10000000% of the time. Do I know Mario can win a natty? **** no I don't, and I wouldn't be surprised if he can't. But I *KNOW* he can recruit at the level that it takes to do so, and I *KNOW* Lane cannot. And when you say you cannot win a championship without recruiting ~Top 5 classes, give me the guy who can do that and I'll keep my fingers crossed that his coaching accumen can match his recruiting prowess. Because the guy who can't recruit ~Top 5 classes has literally no chance, his ceiling is completely capped.
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Lane is a great coach for a place like Ole Miss. He's going to win and play an exciting brand of football. But.....he's never going to be able to recruit at the level to compete with the Alabamas, LSUs and UGAs on a regular basis. He'll pull occasional upsets and win 8-10 games and that's about the ceiling there. For a school who's ultimate goal is to win national championships, you need someone who can bring in the players to beat those top programs on a regular basis. Long term, Mario was the much better choice for us. While Lane would have probably been the better short term choice.
 
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