what was up with this defensive pre-snap alignment?

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So, for those who say it's not about scheme, defend Green lining up 5 yards from the sideline covering a TE, and Gilbert covering a TE. That should NEVER happen. Opposing OCs don't have to create mismatches, Coach D does it for them.


Green and Gilbert are essentially OLBs. Has either one put their hand in the dirt at any point this season?

An OLB can't cover a TE if he flexes out wide?


The defense is obviously having serious problems, but people are complaining about things that happen all over the country.

Shayon Green is not an OLB. Dude has had 19 knee surgeries. That he's being played as one is a bigger indictment of the coaches. He can barely move. He's a DE, and not even athletic enough to be a DE. As for Gilbert, he's also a DE. If they play him as an OLB in this scheme, that's also a joke considering the Wisconsin doctors didn't clear him to play and he "retired" from football because his foot. Yeah, these guys should be covering anyone. Give me a break. It happens all over the country? Maybe with real OLB. You act like this is a legit OLB, not a DE playing OLB, and 2 who can barely move at that. Also, it's not like they're Cameron Wake or Dion Jordan type DE's either.

Nice try with the, "This happens all over the country" crap. Name one other defensive coach who asks someone like Green, a 6th year guy with knees as bad as my 92 year old Grandma, or Gilbert, whose foot fell off last year, to cover guys. Get out of here with that BS.

Again, it's fine for OLB/DE to cover a TE if their name is Cam Wake, Dion Jordan or Jason Taylor, circa 1999, but Shayon Green. STFU. He can barely walk.


So only NFL all-pros like Cam Wake can cover TEs? LBs have coverage responsibilities.

None of this **** is ideal. What does it say about our roster if a guy who "can barely walk" is locking down a spot?


We clearly have issues, but I don't think our coaches are as dumb as you think they are.
 
Able will do his best to defend his absurd "top 30 ranked defense in 2013" claim


How am I defending my claim? I was wrong.

I'm just not joining the mob and complaining about LBs covering people, as if they're just supposed to blitz on every down or something.
 
Isn't this just a smaller version of what Wake did, without splitting the linemen gaps? If Pitt does this, then no coincidence. Virginia is so awful, they couldn't take advantage. If they protect the football, UVA is 3-7 today and we're on a 4 game skid. Somebody please put a stop to this.
 
Jesus, Able. You've lost it.

Put McCord out there, and even then I cringe. But a kid wearing 16 knee braces that shoots sparks and nuts and bolts from his knee caps anytime he runs? C'mon. You're so committed to defending your original stance that you're talking madness.
 
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I think Ables stance is that the coaches aren't so stupid to call such plays if they weren't forced to. Maybe they're not stupid but they're definitely not competent. Its why corches get fired every season. Can't teach the scheme and implement ****** execution of said scheme. Happens in all sports.
 
Jesus, Able. You've lost it.

Put McCord out there, and even then I cringe. But a kid wearing 16 knee braces that shoots sparks and nuts and bolts from his knee caps anytime he runs? C'mon. You're so committed to defending your original stance that you're talking madness.


My original stance is that Al Golden isn't a moron.

Now if he is a moron, we're in serious trouble.

I'm hoping he's not a moron.
 
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I think Ables stance is that the coaches aren't so stupid to call such plays if they weren't forced to. Maybe they're not stupid but they're definitely not competent. Its why corches get fired every season. Can't teach the scheme and implement ****** execution of said scheme. Happens in all sports.


I just don't think they're morons that don't understand basics like gap integrity.

I definitely think they're having difficulty teaching the scheme. That's on them. One of three things is going to happen:

1. Golden's scheme will work
2. Golden will decide to switch schemes
3. Golden's scheme won't work and he'll eventually be fired
 
I think Ables stance is that the coaches aren't so stupid to call such plays if they weren't forced to. Maybe they're not stupid but they're definitely not competent. Its why corches get fired every season. Can't teach the scheme and implement ****** execution of said scheme. Happens in all sports.


I just don't think they're morons that don't understand basics like gap integrity.

I definitely think they're having difficulty teaching the scheme. That's on them. One of three things is going to happen:

1. Golden's scheme will work
2. Golden will decide to switch schemes
3. Golden's scheme won't work and he'll eventually be fired
I'm going with number 3
 
I think Ables stance is that the coaches aren't so stupid to call such plays if they weren't forced to. Maybe they're not stupid but they're definitely not competent. Its why corches get fired every season. Can't teach the scheme and implement ****** execution of said scheme. Happens in all sports.


I just don't think they're morons that don't understand basics like gap integrity.

I definitely think they're having difficulty teaching the scheme. That's on them. One of three things is going to happen:

1. Golden's scheme will work
2. Golden will decide to switch schemes
3. Golden's scheme won't work and he'll eventually be fired

well we already know that #1 is out
 
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I think Ables stance is that the coaches aren't so stupid to call such plays if they weren't forced to. Maybe they're not stupid but they're definitely not competent. Its why corches get fired every season. Can't teach the scheme and implement ****** execution of said scheme. Happens in all sports.


I just don't think they're morons that don't understand basics like gap integrity.

I definitely think they're having difficulty teaching the scheme. That's on them. One of three things is going to happen:

1. Golden's scheme will work
2. Golden will decide to switch schemes
3. Golden's scheme won't work and he'll eventually be fired

Let me axe you this question. If there are countless Div1 coaches out there teaching and implementing schemes that work, why the **** do we continue with a scheme that allows our D to get raped, week in and week out, for over 1 1/2 seasons? For crying out loud, you've got a quaRter back who says they've gotta put up more than 48 points in order to beat Duke. DUKE!!! Something's amiss.
 
If you put McCord in for that kind of situation, I think they run right at him because he is too light in the *** to hold the line.
 
I think Ables stance is that the coaches aren't so stupid to call such plays if they weren't forced to. Maybe they're not stupid but they're definitely not competent. Its why corches get fired every season. Can't teach the scheme and implement ****** execution of said scheme. Happens in all sports.


I just don't think they're morons that don't understand basics like gap integrity.

I definitely think they're having difficulty teaching the scheme. That's on them. One of three things is going to happen:

1. Golden's scheme will work
2. Golden will decide to switch schemes
3. Golden's scheme won't work and he'll eventually be fired

Let me axe you this question. If there are countless Div1 coaches out there teaching and implementing schemes that work, why the **** do we continue with a scheme that allows our D to get raped, week in and week out, for over 1 1/2 seasons? For crying out loud, you've got a quaRter back who says they've gotta put up more than 48 points in order to beat Duke. DUKE!!! Something's amiss.

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I think Ables stance is that the coaches aren't so stupid to call such plays if they weren't forced to. Maybe they're not stupid but they're definitely not competent. Its why corches get fired every season. Can't teach the scheme and implement ****ty execution of said scheme. Happens in all sports.


I just don't think they're morons that don't understand basics like gap integrity.

I definitely think they're having difficulty teaching the scheme. That's on them. One of three things is going to happen:

1. Golden's scheme will work
2. Golden will decide to switch schemes
3. Golden's scheme won't work and he'll eventually be fired

well we already know that #1 is out
do we really though? It wasn't so bad their first year when they had better players... last year was terrible, and this year it's slightly improved from last year. And while it hasn't been a quick fix, it did work at temple..

I don't think 2 is a possibility to be honest.
 
I think Ables stance is that the coaches aren't so stupid to call such plays if they weren't forced to. Maybe they're not stupid but they're definitely not competent. Its why corches get fired every season. Can't teach the scheme and implement ****ty execution of said scheme. Happens in all sports.


I just don't think they're morons that don't understand basics like gap integrity.

I definitely think they're having difficulty teaching the scheme. That's on them. One of three things is going to happen:

1. Golden's scheme will work
2. Golden will decide to switch schemes
3. Golden's scheme won't work and he'll eventually be fired

well we already know that #1 is out
do we really though? It wasn't so bad their first year when they had better players... last year was terrible, and this year it's slightly improved from last year. And while it hasn't been a quick fix, it did work at temple..

I don't think 2 is a possibility to be honest.

I was wondering about this too. But I think we saw a very much more simplified version of their scheme in year 1 and I think we ran a lot more 4-3 as well.
 
So, for those who say it's not about scheme, defend Green lining up 5 yards from the sideline covering a TE, and Gilbert covering a TE. That should NEVER happen. Opposing OCs don't have to create mismatches, Coach D does it for them.


Green and Gilbert are essentially OLBs. Has either one put their hand in the dirt at any point this season?

An OLB can't cover a TE if he flexes out wide?


The defense is obviously having serious problems, but people are complaining about things that happen all over the country.

Shayon Green is not an OLB. Dude has had 19 knee surgeries. That he's being played as one is a bigger indictment of the coaches. He can barely move. He's a DE, and not even athletic enough to be a DE. As for Gilbert, he's also a DE. If they play him as an OLB in this scheme, that's also a joke considering the Wisconsin doctors didn't clear him to play and he "retired" from football because his foot. Yeah, these guys should be covering anyone. Give me a break. It happens all over the country? Maybe with real OLB. You act like this is a legit OLB, not a DE playing OLB, and 2 who can barely move at that. Also, it's not like they're Cameron Wake or Dion Jordan type DE's either.

Nice try with the, "This happens all over the country" crap. Name one other defensive coach who asks someone like Green, a 6th year guy with knees as bad as my 92 year old Grandma, or Gilbert, whose foot fell off last year, to cover guys. Get out of here with that BS.

Again, it's fine for OLB/DE to cover a TE if their name is Cam Wake, Dion Jordan or Jason Taylor, circa 1999, but Shayon Green. STFU. He can barely walk.


So only NFL all-pros like Cam Wake can cover TEs? LBs have coverage responsibilities.

None of this **** is ideal. What does it say about our roster if a guy who "can barely walk" is locking down a spot?


We clearly have issues, but I don't think our coaches are as dumb as you think they are.

No, I used that type of player as an example. There are college players of that mold. Green is not one. Jordan was last year, how's that? Gilbert was that before his injuries, but now he's not. Way to take what I said so literally though and not get the obvious point I was making.
 
This is the result of the fact that if they show nickel, it is telegraphing to the opposing OC they are in man2man. So they can't really do it. Instead they have to have LBs covering. The second issue is for some reason we refuse to play Cover-1, which would have had one of the safeties cover the TE where Green is, and Green rushing from the LOS, or showing rush and dropping into a zone.

Of course the other thing is b/c this is a run play we don't really know what the call was. They could have showed this man-2 look and dropped into cover-3 with the OLBs Covering the flats, and one of the safeties taking a middle zone with the other two backers (though that would be foolish on a 2nd and 5). They could have played straight up Cover-2 and zone blitzed the WILL. Or they could have simply played man 2 knowing that there was safety help. It is very common for a SOLB in a 3-4 to cover a TE. Smart OC's, knowing this, simply align them outside, and while this doesn't change the nature of the SOLB's role in covering, it changes how many defenders are in the box, and opens up the run.

The real issue isn't that Green is covering. It's not uncommon to ask this of your OLBs. It's that the defense is predicated on so many moving parts, and that they don't trust a single high safety ever, and a DL that is playing a 2-gap front they can't handle, that there are constant breakdowns.

Who says Nickel means man-to-man? You can play any coverage out of Nickel.

You can try to justify our alignment anyway you want to but the fact is that it's extremely flawed. We're out-numbered in the box. We have no edge player to bottom.
 
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