Welcome to the Canes, Derrick Smith

[Jassid82]

Portis always had good speed and I don't recall Telemaque ever having it.

Portis was clearly part of the "Miami speed" during the Butch years. The other great Miami teams earlier also had plenty of legitimate speed guys.

We need much more speed on the team. Period.

To Miami message boarders, Vaughn Teleweak was fast and Clinton Portis and Frank Gore were "shifty" but slow coming out of high school. Don't know how fast this guy is, but lulz at claiming he's AJ Highsmith based on a few clips.

Sure. So world class track level speed guys is what's getting ALAs defense to an elite level year after year? I never heard anyone talking about Mark Barron, Dre Kirkpatrick, Eddie Jackson, etc world class speed when mentioning them. All I heard is that they were big, tough, made plays when it counted and would knock you into next week.

How about we start recruiting kids who make plays and are head hunters instead of recruiting guys who are fast but running in the wrong direction.

I love speed too but y'all are way too hung up on speed. If Henderson didn't run a 4.3 he wouldn't even be a top level recruit based on what's he's done on defense thus far.

 

[Memnon]

Look, we all want athletes with elite speed, that's obvious...

But, where are all these coveted Speed Demon Safety's at? Have y'all checked the 2017 S class? Most of the top 4-star S's are running 4.6.

The 4.4 & 4.5 kids are all pretty much signing with top programs that you would expect them too, Bama just flipped Wright & he's a 4.7 kid.

Again, I'm NOT disagreeing that we don't need speed because we obviously do, but if you look at it realistically there's not a ton of kids we had a chance to get that fit the criteria you all would like them to meet.

The biggest miss at Safety for us was Shawn Davis, he runs a 4.53 & is a ballhawk... But with that said, I still really like our Safety haul of Amari, Gibson & now adding D Smith.

And, even though it's blasphemous to ever mention the next year when it comes to crootin', the naturally gifted ballhawking true FS with speed y'all are looking for is Gilbert Frierson.

 

[Jassid82]

Look, we all want athletes with elite speed, that's obvious...

But, where are all these coveted Speed Demon Safety's at? Have y'all checked the 2017 S class? Most of the top 4-star S's are running 4.6.

The 4.4 & 4.5 kids are all pretty much signing with top programs that you would expect them too, Bama just flipped Wright & he's a 4.7 kid.

Again, I'm NOT disagreeing that we don't need speed because we obviously do, but if you look at it realistically there's not a ton of kids we had a chance to get that fit the criteria you all would like them to meet.

The biggest miss at Safety for us was Shawn Davis, he runs a 4.53 & is a ballhawk... But with that said, I still really like our Safety haul of Amari, Gibson & now adding D Smith.

And, even though it's blasphemous to ever mention the next year when it comes to crootin', the naturally gifted ballhawking true FS with speed y'all are looking for is Gilbert Frierson.

Me and you agree. Not sure when this board though every UM safety we ever had ran 4.3-4.4s in the 40..off the top of my head?

Bennie blades
Daryl Williams
Sean Taylor

They had elite speed for a S.

All the others were pedestrian speed wise but I dare someone to say Ed Reed, Bubba McDowell, Hurlie Brown, Darrell Fullington, Fred Marion type guys weren't big time.

 

[Notsince1985]

Why does this thread have 21 pages? It can't all be about the Smith kid.

 

[Mico Jones]

Look, we all want athletes with elite speed, that's obvious...

But, where are all these coveted Speed Demon Safety's at? Have y'all checked the 2017 S class? Most of the top 4

You forgot Kenny Phillips.

No one said it had to be a 4.3 or 4.4 guy. But not a 4.6 for 4.7 guy. I promise you that Reed, Mcdowell etc were not 4.7 guys.

Deion Bush ran a 4.6 in the combine. I don't think this guy, or Finley are nearly as athletic as Bush.

And yeah you'll find great players that lack speed every now and then but its the exception to the rule.

 

[Memnon]

Look, we all want athletes with elite speed, that's obvious...

But, where are all these coveted Speed Demon Safety's at? Have y'all checked the 2017 S class? Most of the top 4

You forgot Kenny Phillips.

No one said it had to be a 4.3 or 4.4 guy. But not a 4.6 for 4.7 guy. I promise you that Reed, Mcdowell etc were not 4.7 guys.

Deion Bush ran a 4.6 in the combine. I don't think this guy, or Finley are nearly as athletic as Bush.

And yeah you'll find great players that lack speed every now and then but its the exception to the rule.

I didn't forget Phillips because I never mentioned him... Your comment is more slated towards Jassid not me.

 

[Chrisarg72]

Jesus christ, everyone on this thread swearing that everyone runs a 4.3, sure maybe hand timed and with generous clicks.

Only two safeties in the NFL combine in 2016 ran a sub 4.5 40 yard time. Only three safeties in the 2015 draft ran a sub 4.5, and a whopping 4 ran a sub 4.5 in 2014. So in three years not even 10 safeties ran a sub 4.5 time at the combine. Which involves months of dedicated training and practice to get off the line faster etc, with specialized coaches which usually shave a 0.1 off their time. Also for everyone bringing up Kenny Phillips, he was barely below a 4.5, clocking in at 4.48.

The safeties drafted in the first round in the last three years had the following 40 yd times (N/A when they elected not to run, by choice, or by injury): N/A, 4.62, 4.46, 4.58, 4.58, 4.49, N/A, N/A. By the way, yes Ha Ha Clinton dix, the dominant safety only got a 4.58 after months of prepping and training.

Quit this sub 4.5 bull****, it's clear you can be a dominant safety in the ~4.6 range. Now is he a 4.7 guy? No clue, nobody has a clue. Because no one has seen him run in a straight line and timed him. Lots of players look like they're running slow but are actually fast (see: Kaepernick and his 4.53 combine time).

Edit: Just to add another data point, Reed, the best safety of all time, posted a 4.68 combine time. He wasn't fast, but he didn't need to be because he knew where the ball was going before it got there.

 

[Chewburka]

If anyone remembers I believe Ed Reed was only a 2 star people always said he was to slow. The Honey Badger wasn't recruited heavily. You get your stars by going to these camps. Guess what camps mean nothing it's more important what you can do when the pads come on. When Butch was here he always recruited kids based on game film and what he saw, Coker used the star system and we all know how that turned out. Look at the Game film kid can play.

 

[Dwinstitles]

If anyone remembers I believe Ed Reed was only a 2 star people always said he was to slow. The Honey Badger wasn't recruited heavily. You get your stars by going to these camps. Guess what camps mean nothing it's more important what you can do when the pads come on. When Butch was here he always recruited kids based on game film and what he saw, Coker used the star system and we all know how that turned out. Look at the Game film kid can play.

This isnt 1920 bruh

Ed reed would be a higher rated guy because he will sell himself and go to the camps.

 

[Chewburka]

Wow look at all those stars that the 2008 class had they were so good. And Ed Reed still ran about a 4.6 maybe a little slower than that coming out of high school. This isn't Golden this is Richt, and when he was calling plays he would beat the great Saban, why people hating on this kid. His game film is impresive and one thing for sure you can't teach size.

 

[TheMatador]

I like what I see but he looks like a 4.7 guy. He he can get faster I think he'll be a good one. Needs to shirt. But probably won't and play special teams.

From another site----
"At the Orlando Combine 10 months ago he was measured at 6-1 and 196. I can see him now at the 205 lbs.but the coach claims 6-3?"

"Also his track and field measurable were so-so when he was at Clay High School back in April 2016 as a Junior of this year. Never ran the 100m, 200m and 400m or hurdles."
High jump- 5-2 (national elite 6-5)
Long Jump - 18-3 (usually a decent indicator of sprint speed--national elite 22-1)
Triple Jump- 37-11 (national elite 45-0)

"I hope I am in error and they know something that is not apparent to me."

"Some good offers but nothing out of this world."
Derrick Smith Recruit Interests

I have absolutely nothing against this kid, and I'm glad the staff is working. I think this pickup would be fine if everyone weren't so salty over JJ. Having said that...

There was a girl in my HS he high jumped 5' 4", and my best long jump was 18' 6" in 9th grade. I stopped jumping because I could tell I wouldn't reach 20'+ which is what was winning most of the meets. I can assure you nobody was recruiting me for D1 anything. From what I'm hearing, this kid is a good football player, but I don't think we need to spend much time going over his track results.

I could long jump 5'4"

 

[kryptonite]

I like what I see but he looks like a 4.7 guy. He he can get faster I think he'll be a good one. Needs to shirt. But probably won't and play special teams.

From another site----
"At the Orlando Combine 10 months ago he was measured at 6-1 and 196. I can see him now at the 205 lbs.but the coach claims 6-3?"

"Also his track and field measurable were so-so when he was at Clay High School back in April 2016 as a Junior of this year. Never ran the 100m, 200m and 400m or hurdles."
High jump- 5-2 (national elite 6-5)
Long Jump - 18-3 (usually a decent indicator of sprint speed--national elite 22-1)
Triple Jump- 37-11 (national elite 45-0)

"I hope I am in error and they know something that is not apparent to me."

"Some good offers but nothing out of this world."
Derrick Smith Recruit Interests

I have absolutely nothing against this kid, and I'm glad the staff is working. I think this pickup would be fine if everyone weren't so salty over JJ. Having said that...

There was a girl in my HS he high jumped 5' 4", and my best long jump was 18' 6" in 9th grade. I stopped jumping because I could tell I wouldn't reach 20'+ which is what was winning most of the meets. I can assure you nobody was recruiting me for D1 anything. From what I'm hearing, this kid is a good football player, but I don't think we need to spend much time going over his track results.

I could long jump 5'4"

Liar.

 

[1953]

Jesus christ, everyone on this thread swearing that everyone runs a 4.3, sure maybe hand timed and with generous clicks.

Only two safeties in the NFL combine in 2016 ran a sub 4.5 40 yard time. Only three safeties in the 2015 draft ran a sub 4.5, and a whopping 4 ran a sub 4.5 in 2014. So in three years not even 10 safeties ran a sub 4.5 time at the combine. Which involves months of dedicated training and practice to get off the line faster etc, with specialized coaches which usually shave a 0.1 off their time. Also for everyone bringing up Kenny Phillips, he was barely below a 4.5, clocking in at 4.48.

The safeties drafted in the first round in the last three years had the following 40 yd times (N/A when they elected not to run, by choice, or by injury): N/A, 4.62, 4.46, 4.58, 4.58, 4.49, N/A, N/A. By the way, yes Ha Ha Clinton dix, the dominant safety only got a 4.58 after months of prepping and training.

Quit this sub 4.5 bull****, it's clear you can be a dominant safety in the ~4.6 range. Now is he a 4.7 guy? No clue, nobody has a clue. Because no one has seen him run in a straight line and timed him. Lots of players look like they're running slow but are actually fast (see: Kaepernick and his 4.53 combine time).

Edit: Just to add another data point, Reed, the best safety of all time, posted a 4.68 combine time. He wasn't fast, but he didn't need to be because he knew where the ball was going before it got there.

Go to post # 15 and look at 40s of super talented kids this year---is surprising at the "slow" 40 times many top players and sprinters posted at Nike.

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread...nning+in+the+upper+4.5s+to+upper+4.6s.+slower.

 

[randolph herndon]

Jesus christ, everyone on this thread swearing that everyone runs a 4.3, sure maybe hand timed and with generous clicks.

Only two safeties in the NFL combine in 2016 ran a sub 4.5 40 yard time. Only three safeties in the 2015 draft ran a sub 4.5, and a whopping 4 ran a sub 4.5 in 2014. So in three years not even 10 safeties ran a sub 4.5 time at the combine. Which involves months of dedicated training and practice to get off the line faster etc, with specialized coaches which usually shave a 0.1 off their time. Also for everyone bringing up Kenny Phillips, he was barely below a 4.5, clocking in at 4.48.

The safeties drafted in the first round in the last three years had the following 40 yd times (N/A when they elected not to run, by choice, or by injury): N/A, 4.62, 4.46, 4.58, 4.58, 4.49, N/A, N/A. By the way, yes Ha Ha Clinton dix, the dominant safety only got a 4.58 after months of prepping and training.

Quit this sub 4.5 bull****, it's clear you can be a dominant safety in the ~4.6 range. Now is he a 4.7 guy? No clue, nobody has a clue. Because no one has seen him run in a straight line and timed him. Lots of players look like they're running slow but are actually fast (see: Kaepernick and his 4.53 combine time).

Edit: Just to add another data point, Reed, the best safety of all time, posted a 4.68 combine time. He wasn't fast, but he didn't need to be because he knew where the ball was going before it got there.

Here is a post from 2015 of the top five 40 times at various Nike combines-

American Heritage Combine February 28, 2015--Ft. Lauderdale FL

Tyrin Summers 16 WR FL Clewiston 5-9 161 4.48
Marco Wilson 17 DB FL American Heritage 5-10 163 4.53
Devonta’e Henry-Cole 16 RB FL St. Thomas Aquinas (FL) 5-7.5 177 4.54
Gregori McCrae 16 RB FL Hallandale 5-10 173 4.54
Mike Harley 17 WR FL St. Thomas Aquinas (FL) 5-9.5 144 4.54

Miami Combine---February 18, 2015
Travis Homer RB 16 FL Oxbridge Academy 5-10.5 195 4.48
Tyrin Summers WR 16 FL Clewiston 5-8 151 4.48
Terrence Horne WR 18 FL Miramar 5-8 151 4.49
Joshua Parker WR 16 FL Mount Dora 5-11 165 4.50
Tyrus Knighton WR 16 FL Deerfield Beach 5-9 157 4.51



Nike Combine---Feb. 8, 2015 Honolulu, Hawaii.

Vavae Malepeai RB 2016 HI Mililani 5-11 200 4.44
Charles Watson DB 2017 HI Leilehua 6-0.5 163 4.52
Keoni-Kordell Makekau WR 2016 HI Iolani 5-10 157 4.53
Keikiokalani Misipeka DB 2017 HI Farrington 5-7 168 4.58
Drew Kobayashi WR 2016 HI St. Louis 6-3 190 4.58

Los Angles Combine---- Feb. 22, 2015 Paramount, California.

Darius Smith RB 16 CA Ridgeview 5-6 143 4.50
Marcus Parker WR 16 AZ Centennial (AZ) 5-8 130 4.50
Ryne Miller DB 16 AZ Mesquite (AZ) 5-9 157 4.50
Jaylen Griffin RB 16 CA Point Loma 5-6.5 153 4.54
Darren Chism RB 16 CA Pleasant Grove (CA) 5-11 188 4.54



Nike New Orleans Combine--March 28, 2015
Ricky Thomas DB 16 LA Dutchtown 5-9.5 160 4.57
Clydrick Edwards-Helaire RB 17 LA Catholic (Baton Rouge) 5-7.0 191 4.58
Dalton Bradfield RB 16 MS Germantown (MS) 5-9.5 191 4.62
Tevyn Johnson DB 16 LA H.L. Bourgeois 5-10.5 180 4.63
Dez Eddie RB 16 LA University Academy (LA) 5-6.5 160 4.63



Dallas Nike Combine-----Arlington, Texas on March 14th, 2015.
Devin Duvernay WR 16 TX Sachse 5-10.5 193 4.38
Jordan Prince DB 16 OK North (Edmond) 5-6.5 157 4.40
Cameron Montgomery DB 17 TX George Bush 5-4.5 152 4.45
Troy Ray WR 16 OK Hartshorne 5-10.0 173 4.48
Travis Etienne Jr. RB 17 LA Jennings 5-10.0 188 4.50



Atlanta Combine----Northview High School Georgia on March 21st, 2015.

Marvin Hubbard RB 17 GA Sandy Creek 5-8 176 4.42
Darrell Baker WR 16 GA Hephzibah 6-1 171 4.52
Anthony Gray WR 16 GA Fayette County (GA) 5-11 150 4.54
Ezra Gray DB 16 FL Mosley 5-7 174 4.55
Alex Sands WR 16 GA Newton (GA) 5-7 143 4.55



Washington Nike Combine --April 19 , 2015
Raleigh Sirb RB 16 PA Central Dauphin 5-7.5 186 4.53
Dejuan Ellis QB 18 VA Bishop O'Connell 5-10 152 4.53
Kwincy Hall WR 18 DC St. John's (DC) 5-5 145 4.57
Jesse Stauffer DB 16 MD North Point 5-8 188 4.58
Rohan Martin Jr. DB 16 VA Colonial Forge 5-8.5 158 4.59


North Carolina Nike Combine---- May 9th, 2015.
Kameron Gilliand RB 16 NC T.C. Roberson 5-4 147 4.55
Quinlyn Moore WR 16 NC West Brunswick 5-7 159 4.59
Courtlyn Victrum RB 17 NC Clayton 5-5 165 4.60
Michael Grimsley RB 16 SC South Florence 5-6 162 4.60
Isaac Burton RB 16 NC Heritage (NC) 5-8 155 4.60



New York Nike Combine--- April 26th, 2015.

Diquill Neal DB 16 NJ Hoboken 5-9 151 4.65
Michael Cloppse QB 16 NY Monsignor Farrell 5-10.5 181 4.66
Kiyon Santos DB 16 NJ Don Bosco Prep 5-9 157 4.68
Sean McKeon TE 16 MA Shepherd Hill 6-4.5 227 4.69
Domenic Cozier RB 16 MA Milton Academy 5-7.5 156 4.69


Chicago Nike Combine-- May 3rd, 2015
Destin Porter RB 2016 LA Lutcher 5-7 163 4.65
Isaiah Koran WR 2016 MN North (MN) 5-10 188 4.65
Richard Azunna DB 2016 IL Niles North 5-9.5 189 4.65
Zachery Strawn DB 2016 KS Wellsville (KS) 5-10 154 4.68
Isaac James RB 2016 IN Lowell (IN) 5-10.5 188 4.68

 

[randolph herndon]

Jesus christ, everyone on this thread swearing that everyone runs a 4.3, sure maybe hand timed and with generous clicks.

Only two safeties in the NFL combine in 2016 ran a sub 4.5 40 yard time. Only three safeties in the 2015 draft ran a sub 4.5, and a whopping 4 ran a sub 4.5 in 2014. So in three years not even 10 safeties ran a sub 4.5 time at the combine. Which involves months of dedicated training and practice to get off the line faster etc, with specialized coaches which usually shave a 0.1 off their time. Also for everyone bringing up Kenny Phillips, he was barely below a 4.5, clocking in at 4.48.

The safeties drafted in the first round in the last three years had the following 40 yd times (N/A when they elected not to run, by choice, or by injury): N/A, 4.62, 4.46, 4.58, 4.58, 4.49, N/A, N/A. By the way, yes Ha Ha Clinton dix, the dominant safety only got a 4.58 after months of prepping and training.

Quit this sub 4.5 bull****, it's clear you can be a dominant safety in the ~4.6 range. Now is he a 4.7 guy? No clue, nobody has a clue. Because no one has seen him run in a straight line and timed him. Lots of players look like they're running slow but are actually fast (see: Kaepernick and his 4.53 combine time).

Edit: Just to add another data point, Reed, the best safety of all time, posted a 4.68 combine time. He wasn't fast, but he didn't need to be because he knew where the ball was going before it got there.

Go this this post # 8 from 1953 over a month ago and see the top Nike 40 times for this year at Nike all across the US--sub 4.5s are rare for any position---

[/B][/B]https://www.canesinsight.com/thread...se+40+times+as+put+out+for+public+consumption

 

[nycane]

the kid has instincts. the kid is violent. lets hope s & c can get him a little faster. we have jaquan, finely, knowles, ced wright, amari, etc all lining up so he will be redshirted.

 

[fxd5122]

This kid has a mean streak. Watched several Trinity games this year. On a very talented team this kid stood out for his ability to lay the lumber. He'll make a lot of people wonder why he is only a 3 star once his career begins.

 

[Mico Jones]

Yawn.

 

[Esafille]

Could be part of the answer for WR depth too

 

[bransuperpower]

Biggest pro= ball skills
Biggest con= not a sure tackler