Welcome to the Canes, Derrick Smith

[mikemike]

**** it, wasn't this the kid who wasn't supposed to get an offer? So does this mean Edwards ain't gonna come back into the fold?

Hoping that it's just an SEC coach doing SEC things. Get the kid in because we have the slots available and just process em if it don't work out.

Don't see how the two are related

Just rationalizing an uninspiring pickup. This kid was a topic of discussion months ago and it appeared he wasn't a take, so taking him now, strongly suggests we aren't where we want to be.

he has better balls skills then gibson and hits just as hard if not harder....

Do the Math

 

[jkaz1]

Smith was ready to commit to us months ago; not sure what happened - perhaps we "cooled" on him a bit and we've heated up again.

At any rate, Norton has worked out very well for us from Trinity Christian, so maybe Smith will be a positive surprise for us as well....

 

[Invalid Username]

Another South Florida 3-star.

We back.

Sure. If Jacksonville is in south Florida

Never heard of the kid. That's kind of the point.

Hey we miss on Jerry Jeudy and all the star kids but at least we got this plan D guy, whoever he is.

Richt doing WORK

I'm sorry, I didn't know you were expecting our whole class to be 5 stars and elite talent after 1 year after underperforming for the last 10+. Please submit an application to be a recruiting analysts for Miami because you seem to be on top of your game and know everything!


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I know we're paying Richt 4 million a year to do something, right?

I'd like to see around half of our class every cycle be 4/5 star kids. That's how championship teams recruit.

Tell me something...if we paid Golden 2 million per year and we're paying Richt twice as much, what kind of upgrade should we expect on the recruiting?

You tell me what's a fair expectation.

After 1 year...come on. That's just delusional expectations. Idk why everyone is expecting to land all the elite talent immediately. Our team and talent in this recruiting class have made huge strides but I can expect high expectations for next years recruiting class after performing on the field and this staff and prove to everyone we are coming back. That's been lacking and given off a terrible vibe to recruits for 10+ years. Expecting elite status after such a short time is absurd. This is the staffs first class they are molding and it's not done yet. We land Slaton, Herb, McFarland, Dean, Harley and that's a **** of a class to get started. Unfortunate for WR lately but I would rather get the two OL and solidify the line first.


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[FyreHam]

You are a ******.

Sure. If Jacksonville is in south Florida

Never heard of the kid. That's kind of the point.

Hey we miss on Jerry Jeudy and all the star kids but at least we got this plan D guy, whoever he is.

Richt doing WORK

I'm sorry, I didn't know you were expecting our whole class to be 5 stars and elite talent after 1 year after underperforming for the last 10+. Please submit an application to be a recruiting analysts for Miami because you seem to be on top of your game and know everything!


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Golden had a better class at the time of his firing than this. Just the truth.

Snatch those upvotes brah. But look at the 247 composite of the 2016 class and compare. Or just cover your ears and yell "Go Canes" ten times in the dark and see if you forget I said hat.

 

[Tolbin]

Sure. If Jacksonville is in south Florida

Never heard of the kid. That's kind of the point.

Hey we miss on Jerry Jeudy and all the star kids but at least we got this plan D guy, whoever he is.

Richt doing WORK

I'm sorry, I didn't know you were expecting our whole class to be 5 stars and elite talent after 1 year after underperforming for the last 10+. Please submit an application to be a recruiting analysts for Miami because you seem to be on top of your game and know everything!


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I know we're paying Richt 4 million a year to do something, right?

I'd like to see around half of our class every cycle be 4/5 star kids. That's how championship teams recruit.

Tell me something...if we paid Golden 2 million per year and we're paying Richt twice as much, what kind of upgrade should we expect on the recruiting?

You tell me what's a fair expectation.

Wow, it's super awesome that you started an account just in time to bring us this thoughtful insight! I totally agree! Richt should be 2x as good as al in all ways! Now that I think about it, lets just give Richt a raise to $11 million and we'll win all the championships.

You mean new people are signing up for a fan forum two weeks before a bowl game? Weird, man. So weird.

Meanwhile back in the real world....it's not unreasonable for fans to expect better recruiting from Richt when we were told this was an "SEC staff" who had all the relations down here, etc etc.

Recruiting has been underwhelming. Don't hate on me for calling a spade a spade.

 

[Brickbybrick_mp]

If he takes Collier's spot I'm good with it. Edwards and Dean should close the CB recruiting

 

[252cane]

This can't be a good sign

How do you figure?

Pete said we cooled on him.

May mean staff isn't feeling too confident about Edwards. I also like Collier a lot and now he may not get an offer.

This commitment just feels weird

Maybe this means Edwards comes in at CB. Which is exactly what he wanted.

And the staff adds numbers to the Safety position thru a kid with some + athleticism.

Win/Win.

Thats what i believe is goin on. Edwards doesnt want to play safety. Now he doesnt have to.

 

[TriStarCane]

We need special teams players too, I guess.

Current Blue Chip Ratio is 8/22 - elite classes are at 50%. Y'all can fight me and others all you want, but you don't beat FSU and Clemson by replacing 4* prospects that are rated top 50 at their position with 3* kids that are barely top 100. You just don't. If we want to be elite and we are taking 30 kids this class, the next 6 to 7 kids out our 8 commits need to be blue chips. We would need to close with everyone we are targeting to finish at or near that magic number.

McFarland
Harley
Dean
Slaton
Herbert
Edwards


Al Golden and Randy Shannon had rosters like this, too. I'm a huge Mark Richt guy, but same **** different class it seems

 

[Chrisarg72]

This can't be a good sign

Do you expect every single play on the roster to be a big time recruit? Be realistic please. We need to fix our depth issue and this is a step to fix this. I do NOT think this impacts on signing collier, dean etc. Be realistic family. He could help us on special team or come off the bench as a back up safety.

Well that's the thing. The class has 21 commits right now and five are consensus blue chips. Of course 3-star players are quality prospects, but this new staff has not gotten a bump in recruiting. 2016 was actually very good I'm not sure how the last staff did it.

I agree most coaches see a big boost in their first full cycle we haven't seen that its the same old we had blue chippers committed or looking at us just to go else where

Maybe because it's already been twice that recruits heard that "the U is back under this coach, join the revival" while both times the team struck out and finished pedestrian. In the past ten years we have only finished the season ranked once. The first boost under shannon came three seasons after a top 10 year, and 5 seasons after a national championship berth. Recruits were 15 when the U was a top 10 team, and 12 when they were in the National Championship. An easy sell to bring the program back.

Then Golden came, now the recruits were 11 in the last top 10 season, and 8 during the last championship. Not as close in the memory of the recruits, but they could still remember the days of prominence of the U somewhat.

This cycle the recruits were 6 years old the last time we had a top 10 season, and 3 years old the last time we were in the championship. These kids have grown up there entire lives with pedestrian Canes teams of the Coker/Shannon/Golden age. Bring the U back? From what, the team has always been middling in their minds. HArder to get that recruiting bump from a program revival

 

[FyreHam]

He will be a drop down SS. I wonder how many of you actually understand football.

Outside of DL the defensive recruiting is odd. Three strong safeties and two OLB's with very limited film, if at all, about Jennings or Wilder in coverage. Steed comitted to the last staff and is an all-around LB. I get the identity Manny Diaz is going for, but there isn't a lot of versatility there.

I think Diaz likes Weakside Linebacker/Strong Safety Hybrid players (think Jabril Peppers) that can be asked to blitz, run support, or drop into coverage. This allows him to leave these guy in coverage or bring pressure without any predictability. Thus there are three SS/Will and two Sams

Thanks for the explanation. But the "coverage" part seems like it's missing.

 

[OmahaCane]

Kid is a violent hitter with pretty good ball skills and can catch...I'll take kids like that.

 

[252cane]

Never heard of the kid. That's kind of the point.

Hey we miss on Jerry Jeudy and all the star kids but at least we got this plan D guy, whoever he is.

Richt doing WORK

I'm sorry, I didn't know you were expecting our whole class to be 5 stars and elite talent after 1 year after underperforming for the last 10+. Please submit an application to be a recruiting analysts for Miami because you seem to be on top of your game and know everything!


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I know we're paying Richt 4 million a year to do something, right?

I'd like to see around half of our class every cycle be 4/5 star kids. That's how championship teams recruit.

Tell me something...if we paid Golden 2 million per year and we're paying Richt twice as much, what kind of upgrade should we expect on the recruiting?

You tell me what's a fair expectation.

Wow, it's super awesome that you started an account just in time to bring us this thoughtful insight! I totally agree! Richt should be 2x as good as al in all ways! Now that I think about it, lets just give Richt a raise to $11 million and we'll win all the championships.

You mean new people are signing up for a fan forum two weeks before a bowl game? Weird, man. So weird.

Meanwhile back in the real world....it's not unreasonable for fans to expect better recruiting from Richt when we were told this was an "SEC staff" who had all the relations down here, etc etc.

Recruiting has been underwhelming. Don't hate on me for calling a spade a spade.

You dont recruit top 5 classes when you are 8-4. So what you do is find football players that fit what you are doing and develop them. Then you win some **** games and start pulling the bigger fish.

 

[Chrisarg72]

He will be a drop down SS. I wonder how many of you actually understand football.

Outside of DL the defensive recruiting is odd. Three strong safeties and two OLB's with very limited film, if at all, about Jennings or Wilder in coverage. Steed comitted to the last staff and is an all-around LB. I get the identity Manny Diaz is going for, but there isn't a lot of versatility there.

I think Diaz likes Weakside Linebacker/Strong Safety Hybrid players (think Jabril Peppers) that can be asked to blitz, run support, or drop into coverage. This allows him to leave these guy in coverage or bring pressure without any predictability. Thus there are three SS/Will and two Sams

Thanks for the explanation. But the "coverage" part seems like it's missing.

Sorry, meant that the guys classified as OLBs are only for the Mike or Strongside Linebacker position. These guys will not be asked to cover, and are almost all run support and blitzing. The Weakside and Strong Safety positions will be more interchangeable and these are the guys classified as SS

 

[Canesallday09]

This kid is athletic as ****.. I hope he's not like Jamal Carter cause #6 can't tackle for ****. His highlights are pretty nice. Does anyone know if hes an EE? ‪"ENEMY OF THE STATE" - Derrick Smith highlights - Hudl #hudl ‬

 

[John77]

We need special teams players too, I guess.

Current Blue Chip Ratio is 8/22 - elite classes are at 50%. Y'all can fight me and others all you want, but you don't beat FSU and Clemson by replacing 4* prospects that are rated top 50 at their position with 3* kids that are barely top 100. You just don't. If we want to be elite and we are taking 30 kids this class, the next 6 to 7 kids out our 8 commits need to be blue chips. We would need to close with everyone we are targeting to finish at or near that magic number.

McFarland
Harley
Dean
Slaton
Herbert
Edwards


Al Golden and Randy Shannon had rosters like this, too. I'm a huge Mark Richt guy, but same **** different class it seems

I agree with you. But take Harley and Edwards off that list. They are solid prospects, but not blue chippers.

 

[fincane]

You are a ******.

Never heard of the kid. That's kind of the point.

Hey we miss on Jerry Jeudy and all the star kids but at least we got this plan D guy, whoever he is.

Richt doing WORK

I'm sorry, I didn't know you were expecting our whole class to be 5 stars and elite talent after 1 year after underperforming for the last 10+. Please submit an application to be a recruiting analysts for Miami because you seem to be on top of your game and know everything!


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Golden had a better class at the time of his firing than this. Just the truth.

Snatch those upvotes brah. But look at the 247 composite of the 2016 class and compare. Or just cover your ears and yell "Go Canes" ten times in the dark and see if you forget I said hat.

Much like all of Golden's classes it would've fallen apart if he was retained. Golden had guys committed in October. So what? He always did.

McFarland, Slaton, Herbert, Dean, Harley all guys who are either wrapped up or we're in a good position for. That's an influx of talent that's highly regarded. They need to be signed but that's multiple All-Americans leaning Miami's way

 

[Tolbin]

You are a ******.

Never heard of the kid. That's kind of the point.

Hey we miss on Jerry Jeudy and all the star kids but at least we got this plan D guy, whoever he is.

Richt doing WORK

I'm sorry, I didn't know you were expecting our whole class to be 5 stars and elite talent after 1 year after underperforming for the last 10+. Please submit an application to be a recruiting analysts for Miami because you seem to be on top of your game and know everything!


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Golden had a better class at the time of his firing than this. Just the truth.

Snatch those upvotes brah. But look at the 247 composite of the 2016 class and compare. Or just cover your ears and yell "Go Canes" ten times in the dark and see if you forget I said hat.

Some people can't handle hard truths. Fact is that 8 wins was below expectations, fact is that recruiting thus far is below expectations, and fact is that this recruitment in particular smells of al Golden style desperation

People don't want to see what they don't want to see. Things aren't improving like we all hoped they would

 

[Al Foil]

Harley is just as good if not better prospect than Phil Dorsett in HS.

Army All American.

World class 100 meter speed.

Dominated state championship game with 3 TD's and 150 yards.

Same size as Dorsett and DJ Matthews.

If Harley isn't a solid 4 star prospect who is?

I love listening to this stuff.

 

[pyhooya]

Another South Florida 3-star.

We back.

You havent heard? Florida 3 star is better than 4 star any where else..

 

[TriStarCane]

We need special teams players too, I guess.

Current Blue Chip Ratio is 8/22 - elite classes are at 50%. Y'all can fight me and others all you want, but you don't beat FSU and Clemson by replacing 4* prospects that are rated top 50 at their position with 3* kids that are barely top 100. You just don't. If we want to be elite and we are taking 30 kids this class, the next 6 to 7 kids out our 8 commits need to be blue chips. We would need to close with everyone we are targeting to finish at or near that magic number.

McFarland
Harley
Dean
Slaton
Herbert
Edwards


Al Golden and Randy Shannon had rosters like this, too. I'm a huge Mark Richt guy, but same **** different class it seems

I agree with you. But take Harley and Edwards off that list. They are solid prospects, but not blue chippers.

Blue chip usually is designated 4* or above, so that's what I'm using to keep it easier