We shouldn't self-impose another post-season ban

[dookie blaylock]

I can't imagine we've been telling recruits that we're probably going to be missing a bowl game next year.

You know recruits have been asking. What have we been telling them? Take a look at some of Golden's quotes after last year's bowl ban:

“The current players on our team have been reinstated and have paid their debt,” Golden said. “Now, as a team and a program, we feel like we’re paying our debt and we feel like we have a chance to put these issues behind us. That’s why I feel it’s the right decision at this time.”

“Clearly this is something we have to do now to move the program forward in the future,” he said.

“Based on what I know, which is very little, I’m very positive about the direction we’re going, and clearly, I think the expeditious reinstatement of our current players back in August or September should be a clear indication that we are headed in a positive direction,” he said. “When the story initially broke, it was certainly sensationalized. We understand that there was wrongdoing, but I think as expeditiously as four players were reinstated and the others served penalties … I think that was a silver lining and perhaps this is one as well.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/53733/bowl-ban-necessary-step-for-miami


My guess is THIS is the party line being sold to recruits.

Self-imposing AGAIN blows all of that up.

that was before the sean allen testimony in bankruptcy court (that is public record that the ncaa scooped up nice and fast) that caused this case to drag on for another year. we have no idea where we stand right now.

 

[CanesAreAble]

but allowing our admin to ban us from the bowl game just for recruiting means you are stabbing your seniors in the back.

By imposing bowl bans you are basically saying,

"Sorry Davon Johnson, your 5 years worth of work is less important to us than Matthew Thomas playing for the next 3 or 4."

So you want to mortgage our future so James and DJ can play in the Emerald Bowl? Nice Logic

What future are we mortgaging?

Missing a bowl game next year isn't going to hurt THAT bad. I don't think we're contenders next year. Best case scenario we're in the ACCCG next year, but only with a prettier record. IMO 2014 is the first year we'll be legit contenders with studs all over the roster.

And when you factor in recruiting, missing next year's bowl game doesn't hurt 2014 recruiting. Ohio State is working on a top 10 class right now.

However, self-imposing THIS year could disrupt 2013 recruiting. The reason being is the uncertainty. If we self-impose again, recruits could freak out. I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of a recruit. If UM is recruiting and telling me the worst is behind us and all of a sudden they're sitting out another bowl game, I'd start looking around to be on the safe side.

If we were going to self-impose, we should've done it before the season.

We are going to be significantly better next year. And I disagree that missing a bowl would hurt recruiting in 2013. I think it would be far worse if we play this year and then have to sit out in 2013.

I agree we're going to be better next year, but I don't think we're contenders. That's why I said we'll likely be in the same spot with a cleaner record. It's still a non-contender.

How would it be far worse to play this year and sit out next year?

Far worse to whom? The 2013 recruits? The 2014 recruits?

 

[CanesAreAble]

I can't imagine we've been telling recruits that we're probably going to be missing a bowl game next year.

You know recruits have been asking. What have we been telling them? Take a look at some of Golden's quotes after last year's bowl ban:

“The current players on our team have been reinstated and have paid their debt,” Golden said. “Now, as a team and a program, we feel like we’re paying our debt and we feel like we have a chance to put these issues behind us. That’s why I feel it’s the right decision at this time.”

“Clearly this is something we have to do now to move the program forward in the future,” he said.

“Based on what I know, which is very little, I’m very positive about the direction we’re going, and clearly, I think the expeditious reinstatement of our current players back in August or September should be a clear indication that we are headed in a positive direction,” he said. “When the story initially broke, it was certainly sensationalized. We understand that there was wrongdoing, but I think as expeditiously as four players were reinstated and the others served penalties … I think that was a silver lining and perhaps this is one as well.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/53733/bowl-ban-necessary-step-for-miami


My guess is THIS is the party line being sold to recruits.

Self-imposing AGAIN blows all of that up.

that was before the sean allen testimony in bankruptcy court (that is public record that the ncaa scooped up nice and fast) that caused this case to drag on for another year. we have no idea where we stand right now.

We didn't know where we stood then, either.

You have to sell something to the recruits. My guess is we've been selling them on the worst of the sanctions being in the past.

 

[DiegoCane]

I can't imagine we've been telling recruits that we're probably going to be missing a bowl game next year.

You know recruits have been asking. What have we been telling them? Take a look at some of Golden's quotes after last year's bowl ban:

“The current players on our team have been reinstated and have paid their debt,” Golden said. “Now, as a team and a program, we feel like we’re paying our debt and we feel like we have a chance to put these issues behind us. That’s why I feel it’s the right decision at this time.”

“Clearly this is something we have to do now to move the program forward in the future,” he said.

“Based on what I know, which is very little, I’m very positive about the direction we’re going, and clearly, I think the expeditious reinstatement of our current players back in August or September should be a clear indication that we are headed in a positive direction,” he said. “When the story initially broke, it was certainly sensationalized. We understand that there was wrongdoing, but I think as expeditiously as four players were reinstated and the others served penalties … I think that was a silver lining and perhaps this is one as well.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/53733/bowl-ban-necessary-step-for-miami


My guess is THIS is the party line being sold to recruits.

Self-imposing AGAIN blows all of that up.

That article/quotes is over a year old.

We could still lose to UVA and Duke
This isn't Goldens decision to make
I have faith that the administration will make the correct decision
I hope the NCAA would help us make the correct decision considering how cooperative we have been
If we play this year and miss a bowl in 2013 it's a major blunder

I hope you are right about only getting 1 year.

 

[fincane]

I see your point but totally disagree from the recruits that I have talked to over the last 10 years and seen gone elsewhere when a university is in trouble. There is no need to be ****y and go play a game we don't belong in. ****iness gets a university nowhere! Ask USC! Be proactive and acknowledge that we have make mistakes and we are making an effort to move forward.

Then why not self-impose at the beginning of the season?

Playing in the bowl game isn't a sign of ****iness. SC's problems were different. Their main problem was they had a one-man compliance department for a certain period of time. Their monitoring protocols were a joke.

You don't self impose early because its a motivation thing.something to play for is important, especially for a young squad.

Plus I'm sure they are trying to gther as much info as possible from the NCAA

USC went 10-2 last year and they knew weren't going bowling. You want to know about motivation? You think that the BC game last year was lost just because we suck? We lost because the administration cut the heart out of the team. Thats what a bowl ban does. If you do it beforehand, the entire program can come to terms with and adjust.

By the way, for those who think we can show up for the title game and then take a bowl ban, thats out the window. ACC has a policy. Miami can't play in the title game if they're not going to a bowl.

So Miami lost to BC because we didn't have anything to play for?

LOL at comparing USC and Miami. USC is far more talented then almost every team they play

BC was one of the worst teams in college football last year. You think that Miami team that played its heart out at FSU and Virginia Tech last year is losing the final game at home to BC if they didn't get undercut by a bowl ban. The players themselves talked about it. Unfocused and unmotivated.

Talking about USC's talent isn't the point. They knew what they had in front of them and developed a mindset to deal with it. All this talk about biting the bullet this year for next year. Going out of your way to tell the core of your program that you wasted a year is awful. Who are all the future recruits that everyone is so worried about going to learn from? The same kids you just bleeped over. All the 2012 guys talked about Miami being a family and that played a major part in why they came. Sacrificing their hard work this year for supposed future success is a slap in the face.

 

[cane305]

I don't think we will be THAT much better next year. Like someone said earlier, we won't be contenders next year.

 

[CanesAreAble]

I can't imagine we've been telling recruits that we're probably going to be missing a bowl game next year.

You know recruits have been asking. What have we been telling them? Take a look at some of Golden's quotes after last year's bowl ban:

“The current players on our team have been reinstated and have paid their debt,” Golden said. “Now, as a team and a program, we feel like we’re paying our debt and we feel like we have a chance to put these issues behind us. That’s why I feel it’s the right decision at this time.”

“Clearly this is something we have to do now to move the program forward in the future,” he said.

“Based on what I know, which is very little, I’m very positive about the direction we’re going, and clearly, I think the expeditious reinstatement of our current players back in August or September should be a clear indication that we are headed in a positive direction,” he said. “When the story initially broke, it was certainly sensationalized. We understand that there was wrongdoing, but I think as expeditiously as four players were reinstated and the others served penalties … I think that was a silver lining and perhaps this is one as well.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/53733/bowl-ban-necessary-step-for-miami


My guess is THIS is the party line being sold to recruits.

Self-imposing AGAIN blows all of that up.

That article/quotes is over a year old.

We could still lose to UVA and Duke
This isn't Goldens decision to make
I have faith that the administration will make the correct decision
I hope the NCAA would help us make the correct decision considering how cooperative we have been
If we play this year and miss a bowl in 2013 it's a major blunder

I hope you are right about only getting 1 year.

The article is old, but we've been recruiting since then. Recruiting never stops. That's why my guess is the message has been consistent. If Golden said that to the media, I'm sure the staff and he have said something similar on the recruiting trail. These 18-year old kids are highly impressionable. I have a bad feeling that self-imposing again could freak them out, especially if the message has been in line with Golden's quotes.

The administration should've self-imposed BEFORE the season if they were going to do it. What are they waiting for?

Waiting until we officially win the Coastal would be the huge blunder.

 

[dookie blaylock]

I can't imagine we've been telling recruits that we're probably going to be missing a bowl game next year.

You know recruits have been asking. What have we been telling them? Take a look at some of Golden's quotes after last year's bowl ban:

“The current players on our team have been reinstated and have paid their debt,” Golden said. “Now, as a team and a program, we feel like we’re paying our debt and we feel like we have a chance to put these issues behind us. That’s why I feel it’s the right decision at this time.”

“Clearly this is something we have to do now to move the program forward in the future,” he said.

“Based on what I know, which is very little, I’m very positive about the direction we’re going, and clearly, I think the expeditious reinstatement of our current players back in August or September should be a clear indication that we are headed in a positive direction,” he said. “When the story initially broke, it was certainly sensationalized. We understand that there was wrongdoing, but I think as expeditiously as four players were reinstated and the others served penalties … I think that was a silver lining and perhaps this is one as well.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/53733/bowl-ban-necessary-step-for-miami


My guess is THIS is the party line being sold to recruits.

Self-imposing AGAIN blows all of that up.

That article/quotes is over a year old.

We could still lose to UVA and Duke
This isn't Goldens decision to make
I have faith that the administration will make the correct decision
I hope the NCAA would help us make the correct decision considering how cooperative we have been
If we play this year and miss a bowl in 2013 it's a major blunder

I hope you are right about only getting 1 year.

The article is old, but we've been recruiting since then. Recruiting never stops. That's why my guess is the message has been consistent. If Golden said that to the media, I'm sure the staff and he have said something similar on the recruiting trail. These 18-year old kids are highly impressionable. I have a bad feeling that self-imposing again could freak them out, especially if the message has been in line with Golden's quotes.

The administration should've self-imposed BEFORE the season if they were going to do it. What are they waiting for?

Waiting until we officially win the Coastal would be the huge blunder.

all of that happened before this came out. the game has changed. yeah, it's from the herald and it's slightly embellished, but if even a portion of that is true, it makes our situation different. and navarro doesn't have a beef with the program like most national writers do.

 

[DiegoCane]

I guess we have to agree to disagree on the impact of self-banning (if we need to) I just want the whole mess behind us and feel doing it as quickly as possible is the best for the program.

I think I can speak for all Canes fans and say I'd be ecstatic if we only got 1 year

 

[CanesAreAble]

I can't imagine we've been telling recruits that we're probably going to be missing a bowl game next year.

You know recruits have been asking. What have we been telling them? Take a look at some of Golden's quotes after last year's bowl ban:

“The current players on our team have been reinstated and have paid their debt,” Golden said. “Now, as a team and a program, we feel like we’re paying our debt and we feel like we have a chance to put these issues behind us. That’s why I feel it’s the right decision at this time.”

“Clearly this is something we have to do now to move the program forward in the future,” he said.

“Based on what I know, which is very little, I’m very positive about the direction we’re going, and clearly, I think the expeditious reinstatement of our current players back in August or September should be a clear indication that we are headed in a positive direction,” he said. “When the story initially broke, it was certainly sensationalized. We understand that there was wrongdoing, but I think as expeditiously as four players were reinstated and the others served penalties … I think that was a silver lining and perhaps this is one as well.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/53733/bowl-ban-necessary-step-for-miami


My guess is THIS is the party line being sold to recruits.

Self-imposing AGAIN blows all of that up.

That article/quotes is over a year old.

We could still lose to UVA and Duke
This isn't Goldens decision to make
I have faith that the administration will make the correct decision
I hope the NCAA would help us make the correct decision considering how cooperative we have been
If we play this year and miss a bowl in 2013 it's a major blunder

I hope you are right about only getting 1 year.

The article is old, but we've been recruiting since then. Recruiting never stops. That's why my guess is the message has been consistent. If Golden said that to the media, I'm sure the staff and he have said something similar on the recruiting trail. These 18-year old kids are highly impressionable. I have a bad feeling that self-imposing again could freak them out, especially if the message has been in line with Golden's quotes.

The administration should've self-imposed BEFORE the season if they were going to do it. What are they waiting for?

Waiting until we officially win the Coastal would be the huge blunder.

all of that happened before this came out. the game has changed. yeah, it's from the herald and it's slightly embellished, but if even a portion of that is true, it makes our situation different. and navarro doesn't have a beef with the program like most national writers do.

Manny didn't break that news. The school already knew about that before it dropped.

My point is the message to recruits has likely remained the same.

 

[cane305]

I guess we have to agree to disagree on the impact of self-banning (if we need to) I just want the whole mess behind us and feel doing it as quickly as possible is the best for the program.

I think I can speak for all Canes fans and say I'd be ecstatic if we only got 1 year

If we are done with bowl bans because of last year's ban, I'm happy as ****.

Here's to hoping ACC will somehow step in for us to preserve high ratings for the championship

 

[dookie blaylock]

I can't imagine we've been telling recruits that we're probably going to be missing a bowl game next year.

You know recruits have been asking. What have we been telling them? Take a look at some of Golden's quotes after last year's bowl ban:

“The current players on our team have been reinstated and have paid their debt,” Golden said. “Now, as a team and a program, we feel like we’re paying our debt and we feel like we have a chance to put these issues behind us. That’s why I feel it’s the right decision at this time.”

“Clearly this is something we have to do now to move the program forward in the future,” he said.

“Based on what I know, which is very little, I’m very positive about the direction we’re going, and clearly, I think the expeditious reinstatement of our current players back in August or September should be a clear indication that we are headed in a positive direction,” he said. “When the story initially broke, it was certainly sensationalized. We understand that there was wrongdoing, but I think as expeditiously as four players were reinstated and the others served penalties … I think that was a silver lining and perhaps this is one as well.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/53733/bowl-ban-necessary-step-for-miami


My guess is THIS is the party line being sold to recruits.

Self-imposing AGAIN blows all of that up.

That article/quotes is over a year old.

We could still lose to UVA and Duke
This isn't Goldens decision to make
I have faith that the administration will make the correct decision
I hope the NCAA would help us make the correct decision considering how cooperative we have been
If we play this year and miss a bowl in 2013 it's a major blunder

I hope you are right about only getting 1 year.

The article is old, but we've been recruiting since then. Recruiting never stops. That's why my guess is the message has been consistent. If Golden said that to the media, I'm sure the staff and he have said something similar on the recruiting trail. These 18-year old kids are highly impressionable. I have a bad feeling that self-imposing again could freak them out, especially if the message has been in line with Golden's quotes.

The administration should've self-imposed BEFORE the season if they were going to do it. What are they waiting for?

Waiting until we officially win the Coastal would be the huge blunder.

all of that happened before this came out. the game has changed. yeah, it's from the herald and it's slightly embellished, but if even a portion of that is true, it makes our situation different. and navarro doesn't have a beef with the program like most national writers do.

Manny didn't break that news. The school already knew about that before it dropped.

My point is the message to recruits has likely remained the same.

the testimony happened in december 2011. we self-imposed in november. the school knew of the allegations, but there was no solid corroboration until he testified. it changes things if we denied something that sworn testimony says we did.

 

[CanesAreAble]

the testimony happened in december 2011. we self-imposed in november. the school knew of the allegations, but there was no solid corroboration until he testified.

The school already knew there was truth to the allegations. We had players missing games and making restitution, so Allen's testimony wasn't earth-shattering.

My point remains the same with regard to what we've been telling recruits.

 

[dookie blaylock]

the testimony happened in december 2011. we self-imposed in november. the school knew of the allegations, but there was no solid corroboration until he testified.

The school already knew there was truth to the allegations. We had players missing games and making restitution, so Allen's testimony wasn't earth-shattering.

My point remains the same with regard to what we've been telling recruits.

and my point is that the advantage of plausible deniability goes out the window when someone confirms that it happened. "some truth" turns into "more truth" and that has to be taken into account. when speculation turns into confirmation, the game changes.

 

[LuCane]

Manny Navarro or any of the half dozen writers trolling this and all boards...

Please look at Jer's post and some of the other logic offered in this thread and write an editorial piece pleading for Donna and her team to self-impose. Even if it's overkill, let's wipe the slate clean this year (w/ respect to post-season stuff, which is what can hurt us the most). Let's keep 90% of our current recruits and tell them: "We're done. You'll never see the worst of this issue. Come in here and ball."

 

[cane305]

Manny Navarro or any of the half dozen writers trolling this and all boards...

Please look at Jer's post and some of the other logic offered in this thread and write an editorial piece pleading for Donna and her team to self-impose. Even if it's overkill, let's wipe the slate clean this year (w/ respect to post-season stuff, which is what can hurt us the most). Let's keep 90% of our current recruits and tell them: "We're done. You'll never see the worst of this issue. Come in here and ball."

Us imposing bowl ban won't clean the slate in my opinion. NCAA has final say.

 

[Problem2]

Manny Navarro or any of the half dozen writers trolling this and all boards...

Please look at Jer's post and some of the other logic offered in this thread and write an editorial piece pleading for Donna and her team to self-impose. Even if it's overkill, let's wipe the slate clean this year (w/ respect to post-season stuff, which is what can hurt us the most). Let's keep 90% of our current recruits and tell them: "We're done. You'll never see the worst of this issue. Come in here and ball."

Us imposing bowl ban won't clean the slate in my opinion. NCAA has final say.

You don't say

 

[dookie blaylock]

Manny Navarro or any of the half dozen writers trolling this and all boards...

Please look at Jer's post and some of the other logic offered in this thread and write an editorial piece pleading for Donna and her team to self-impose. Even if it's overkill, let's wipe the slate clean this year (w/ respect to post-season stuff, which is what can hurt us the most). Let's keep 90% of our current recruits and tell them: "We're done. You'll never see the worst of this issue. Come in here and ball."

Us imposing bowl ban won't clean the slate in my opinion. NCAA has final say.

you've pretty much proven that your opinion is based on absolutely nothing through the course of the thread

 

[UMJer026]

I am honestly stunned at the positions people I consider bright are taking on this. This is an absolute NO BRAINER -- you try to get the sanctions out of the way NOW, so that you can MOVE ON, get past them, and continue to build the program. What is the benefit of not self-imposing? To reward 5 seniors for their tenure here? God bless those kids and the number of hours they've put into this program, but 5 seniors are not bigger than the overall direction of the program. To be frank, it's not even close.

As for the timing of it all, you can't self-impose mid-season, as you'd risk losing your team at that point. You do it as close to the end of the season as possible, ideally right before the last game, so that the seniors at least know it's their last game. I wouldn't worry about players not trusting Golden or thinking the staff mislead them. You have the decision come from the top, from the **** President herself.

With regard to it blowing up the 2013 class, I couldn't disagree more. This is already something that is on every recruit's mind. To pretend it's not an issue or that the worst is somehow behind us (despite no punishment having been rendered!!) is to deny reality. We know we are going to get hammered. Recruits know it. Rivals know it. Everyone knows it, except, apparently, some of our fans.

 

[CanesAreAble]

the testimony happened in december 2011. we self-imposed in november. the school knew of the allegations, but there was no solid corroboration until he testified.

The school already knew there was truth to the allegations. We had players missing games and making restitution, so Allen's testimony wasn't earth-shattering.

My point remains the same with regard to what we've been telling recruits.

and my point is that the advantage of plausible deniability goes out the window when someone confirms that it happened. "some truth" turns into "more truth" and that has to be taken into account. when speculation turns into confirmation, the game changes.

Plausible deniability went out the window when players got suspended and paid back money.

Do you think we started telling recruits, "Ay, we might get hammered now that the Pee Wee Allen article came out."