WE CAN COMPETE FOR NC NEXT SEASON

[rok]

This place has become almost as bad as grassy.

 

[Canefreak2001]

With our current commits, if we land
1. RB - A Collins
2. TE B Sandland
3. DT B. Bradley
4. LB M. Thomas
We compete for NC next season.
Add #s 1 & 2 and we have most potent offense in nation. We’ll put up 45 points a game.
With #s 3 & 4, along with Bond, we finally pressure the QB and allow our outstanding DBs to function so we get off the field after 3 downs 40% - 60% more often.
NOTE: I’m not discounting D Kirkland; S. Coley; J. Grace; T. Williams; R. Robinson & Keith Bryant. They would just guarantee the repeat NC in 2014!

sorry man, but I am going to have to disagree with you. we could not put any points up against legit Defenses like Notre Dame or KState. And our Defense could not stop Duke & Virginia from scoring over 40 points...

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

I don't really understand why people are having trouble believing we can compete for a title next year. We play in a crappy conference with only one decent ooc game. We can compete for one but by no means will we be one of the top teams next year, we just have a favorable conference and ooc schedule

You REALLY don't understand why people are having trouble believing we can compete for a title after a year of having the worst defense in Miami history? I guess our DL is just going to magically be better in one season, among other things I don't feel like listing. You don't even make any sense. In one breath you are saying we can compete for a title. In another you are saying that we will by no means be one of the top teams next year. How the **** does a team compete for a ship, but not be one of the top teams? We aren't going to be top 5-10, but we are competing for a title. LOL.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

With our current commits, if we land
1. RB - A Collins
2. TE B Sandland
3. DT B. Bradley
4. LB M. Thomas
We compete for NC next season.
Add #s 1 & 2 and we have most potent offense in nation. We’ll put up 45 points a game.
With #s 3 & 4, along with Bond, we finally pressure the QB and allow our outstanding DBs to function so we get off the field after 3 downs 40% - 60% more often.
NOTE: I’m not discounting D Kirkland; S. Coley; J. Grace; T. Williams; R. Robinson & Keith Bryant. They would just guarantee the repeat NC in 2014!

sorry man, but I am going to have to disagree with you. we could not put any points up against legit Defenses like Notre Dame or KState. And our Defense could not stop Duke & Virginia from scoring over 40 points...

But but but, our offense was so awesome last year. A great point. Just as we will never win until we field a disruptive DL, we will never win big until we our offense can score against legitimate teams. But hey, we are back based on the logic of some on here..

 

[PensacolaCane]

With our current commits, if we land
1. RB - A Collins
2. TE B Sandland
3. DT B. Bradley
4. LB M. Thomas
We compete for NC next season.
Add #s 1 & 2 and we have most potent offense in nation. We’ll put up 45 points a game.
With #s 3 & 4, along with Bond, we finally pressure the QB and allow our outstanding DBs to function so we get off the field after 3 downs 40% - 60% more often.
NOTE: I’m not discounting D Kirkland; S. Coley; J. Grace; T. Williams; R. Robinson & Keith Bryant. They would just guarantee the repeat NC in 2014!

Unfortunately don't have even an average DL. End of story. No competing for a NC.

 

[hoover437]

We should beat florida their offense is horrible and their losing everything on D and same for florida state those should be our 2 toughest games we have a strong chance of going undefeated

I believe this! Also, believe if we don't get the help we need on the dline, Al will run the offense a little different. Not the fast pace, keep the d on the field. I like our chances for major improvement.

 

[[]_[]Fan2010]

The point I'm making is we don't have that schedule next year. UF will be the only legitimately good team on our schedule this upcoming season. I don't think we'll be a top 5-10 next year, but that our schedule makes it possible, certainly more so than previous years

But we barely - by the skin of our teeth - beat a bunch of middling teams this year - ga tech, duke, nc state, bc. And we got abused by the two legit teams we played. We had every break under the sun against our main rival, and still lost by a wide margin to fsu. We will be improved, but we are not competing for a natl title.

And I don't know what definition you are using, but in my view competing for a natl title implies being a top 10 team.

We nearly lost but bottom line is we won. We lost by 13 to FSU. Going into the 4th it shiuld have been tied as that FG at half did not really count. So we technically lost by 10 with Morris' hobbling all over the field and Duke with his turf toe or whatever. ND nearly lost to Pitt, Purdue, Mich, and BYU. They may be a top 10 team this year but I'd imagine that Bama, LSU, Georgia, FL, Oregon, *, and Kansas St would all be undefeated with that same schedule and there I think you could make a case for a fair number of other teams making a run at it. What I'm saying is chedule plays a huge part in determining who the top teams are but just because you're number #1 on paper doesn't mean that's true on the field.

I think it's possible for a few reasons:

1) Development- I hardly think anyone can make the argument anymore that Golden cannot develop players. Aside from the multiple players he put into the League from Temple, but we've firsthand seen the development of Streeter, DJ, Jacorry, McGee, and others. This will be Bush, Tracy, Duke, and all the other freshman'sfirst run through UTough and spring ball. I honestly think next years team will be better than this years. This will also be Morris' first run through as well, which I think is even more important.

2) Schedule- weak conference with the best teams have all gotten weaker while we return nearly everyone and will undoubtedly have 1-2 guys on each side that surprise.

I 100% believe it could happen but realistically there maybe 10-15% chance we have everything line up and it actually happens. A healthy Morris, Porter, Duke, and Deon are crucial. I don't expect us to be playing for a MNC next year, by but I do think the ACCCG is the floor considering how weak the Coastal is next year.

 

[[]_[]Fan2010]

With our current commits, if we land
1. RB - A Collins
2. TE B Sandland
3. DT B. Bradley
4. LB M. Thomas
We compete for NC next season.
Add #s 1 & 2 and we have most potent offense in nation. We’ll put up 45 points a game.
With #s 3 & 4, along with Bond, we finally pressure the QB and allow our outstanding DBs to function so we get off the field after 3 downs 40% - 60% more often.
NOTE: I’m not discounting D Kirkland; S. Coley; J. Grace; T. Williams; R. Robinson & Keith Bryant. They would just guarantee the repeat NC in 2014!

sorry man, but I am going to have to disagree with you. we could not put any points up against legit Defenses like Notre Dame or KState. And our Defense could not stop Duke & Virginia from scoring over 40 points...

But but but, our offense was so awesome last year. A great point. Just as we will never win until we field a disruptive DL, we will never win big until we our offense can score against legitimate teams. But hey, we are back based on the logic of some on here..

Aside from maybe UF we DON'T PLAY a top defense next year.

Too many people are equating that it'll take a great team to run our schedule for next year, which isn't the case at all

 

[hoover437]

I don't really understand why people are having trouble believing we can compete for a title next year. We play in a crappy conference with only one decent ooc game. We can compete for one but by no means will we be one of the top teams next year, we just have a favorable conference and ooc schedule

I'll ask you and the op the same question i asked earlier, what were your predictions for the 2012 season?

I was looking at 8-10 wins. I did not think our best dlineman would be out the first half of the season and that we would have players like robinson and johnson continue to do silly individual stuff. Also, would not have thought that Al would run a fast break offense, not helping the defense. Or have your best three defensive players out for the virginia game. We had lots of bad breaks! I think our defense will surprise next year. Too me, #91, EJ and a few others on defense shows me what next year can be.

 

[TheUnuffSAID]

With our current commits, if we land
1. RB - A Collins
2. TE B Sandland
3. DT B. Bradley
4. LB M. Thomas
We compete for NC next season.
Add #s 1 & 2 and we have most potent offense in nation. We’ll put up 45 points a game.
With #s 3 & 4, along with Bond, we finally pressure the QB and allow our outstanding DBs to function so we get off the field after 3 downs 40% - 60% more often.
NOTE: I’m not discounting D Kirkland; S. Coley; J. Grace; T. Williams; R. Robinson & Keith Bryant. They would just guarantee the repeat NC in 2014!

sorry man, but I am going to have to disagree with you. we could not put any points up against legit Defenses like Notre Dame or KState. And our Defense could not stop Duke & Virginia from scoring over 40 points...

But but but, our offense was so awesome last year. A great point. Just as we will never win until we field a disruptive DL, we will never win big until we our offense can score against legitimate teams. But hey, we are back based on the logic of some on here..

Aside from maybe UF we DON'T PLAY a top defense next year.

Too many people are equating that it'll take a great team to run our schedule for next year, which isn't the case at all

OK so we make it to the NC we are gonna play a top defense......

/our D right now is maybe just enough to win the ACC

 

[hoover437]

I respect a ton of the posters on here who have there doubts. I also feel for the first time in years, a decade or so, we have a team that will surprise on the upside instead of the downside like we've become accustom to. Did you all hear the excitement in Al's voice at the end of the season. I think the self impose was a blessing, more weightroom training and less preparation for some third tier team. We will get that in Sav. State and BCC next year.

Let's see who we bringing in on DL and if the returners can turn it up a bit. I'm looking forward to spring myself.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

With our current commits, if we land
1. RB - A Collins
2. TE B Sandland
3. DT B. Bradley
4. LB M. Thomas
We compete for NC next season.
Add #s 1 & 2 and we have most potent offense in nation. We’ll put up 45 points a game.
With #s 3 & 4, along with Bond, we finally pressure the QB and allow our outstanding DBs to function so we get off the field after 3 downs 40% - 60% more often.
NOTE: I’m not discounting D Kirkland; S. Coley; J. Grace; T. Williams; R. Robinson & Keith Bryant. They would just guarantee the repeat NC in 2014!

sorry man, but I am going to have to disagree with you. we could not put any points up against legit Defenses like Notre Dame or KState. And our Defense could not stop Duke & Virginia from scoring over 40 points...

But but but, our offense was so awesome last year. A great point. Just as we will never win until we field a disruptive DL, we will never win big until we our offense can score against legitimate teams. But hey, we are back based on the logic of some on here..

Aside from maybe UF we DON'T PLAY a top defense next year.

Too many people are equating that it'll take a great team to run our schedule for next year, which isn't the case at all

Ok that's fine. Let's put the offense aside for now. That still doesn't solve a huge problem we currently have on the DL. We cannot and will not win or compete for the national championship until we can consistently get pressure with our front 4. While we MIGHT improve in that area next year, it is highly unlikely it will be to the point (or even close to the point) that we need it to be. It's very basic football 101 that when you cannot get pressure up front, the entire D is going to suffer greatly.

It might not take a great team to make a run at it, especially in the ACC, but realize that we are beyond horrible up front on defense and might improve to just terrible next year in that area. That is not close to being enough.

 

[JHallCanes]

Its not uncommon to see a college team make huge strides in one season but usually that's when you find a senior laden team.

I think we may have overachieved a little bit last year considering our defense so even if we are better its still a 3 loss football team at the moment.

There's some instant impact recruits and our off season program that could really bump us up but we still have too inconsistent of a team from the QB, the defense, to the coaches and on down.

 

[[]_[]Fan2010]

With our current commits, if we land
1. RB - A Collins
2. TE B Sandland
3. DT B. Bradley
4. LB M. Thomas
We compete for NC next season.
Add #s 1 & 2 and we have most potent offense in nation. We’ll put up 45 points a game.
With #s 3 & 4, along with Bond, we finally pressure the QB and allow our outstanding DBs to function so we get off the field after 3 downs 40% - 60% more often.
NOTE: I’m not discounting D Kirkland; S. Coley; J. Grace; T. Williams; R. Robinson & Keith Bryant. They would just guarantee the repeat NC in 2014!

sorry man, but I am going to have to disagree with you. we could not put any points up against legit Defenses like Notre Dame or KState. And our Defense could not stop Duke & Virginia from scoring over 40 points...

But but but, our offense was so awesome last year. A great point. Just as we will never win until we field a disruptive DL, we will never win big until we our offense can score against legitimate teams. But hey, we are back based on the logic of some on here..

Aside from maybe UF we DON'T PLAY a top defense next year.

Too many people are equating that it'll take a great team to run our schedule for next year, which isn't the case at all

Ok that's fine. Let's put the offense aside for now. That still doesn't solve a huge problem we currently have on the DL. We cannot and will not win or compete for the national championship until we can consistently get pressure with our front 4. While we MIGHT improve in that area next year, it is highly unlikely it will be to the point (or even close to the point) that we need it to be. It's very basic football 101 that when you cannot get pressure up front, the entire D is going to suffer greatly.

It might not take a great team to make a run at it, especially in the ACC, but realize that we are beyond horrible up front on defense and might improve to just terrible next year in that area. That is not close to being enough.

That was never the basis of my argument and not once did I deny that. DL is atrocious and there's no way we become a top team without that improving, hence me saying we would not likely be a top 5/10 team in reality but we don't need to be to make the acccg or even run next year's schedule.

As for the line specifically, I think you'll see an improvement. It sounds like Porter is coming back at this point. His play and how the defense playered with him was masked by the fact we had DP, Bush, EJ, and others all missing time for various reasons when he started playing. If EJ is still here come fall, I think the DL will be adequate enough to start forcing stops and if the offense makes any strides whatsoever that should be more than enough to have a successful season

 

[[]_[]Fan2010]

And once again, I don't think it likely we run the table and are playing for a MNC next year. I just think it's foolish to believe that it can't happen given our schedule. Assuming the current team plus current commits only, next year ACCG should be the goal with 9 wins being the minimum.

 

[deleted3746]

Our alleged best DT has NEVER played a full season.

This staff has NEVER beat Virginia.

As long as Ball State and other terrible programs have a better D our Canes will only contend for the Coastal crown, and the ACC if we are lucky.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

DL. Not there yet.

 

[[]_[]Fan2010]

Our alleged best DT has NEVER played a full season.

This staff has NEVER beat Virginia.

As long as Ball State and other terrible programs have a better D our Canes will only contend for the Coastal crown, and the ACC if we are lucky.

That's true, the good news is that it's never been a serious issue. Guy just doesn't heal quickly.

The staff has played Virginia twice. Last year the team relied on the seniors (and rightly )so to win games. It was clear evident that Vernon was the only one who even cared to play in that game since we self imposed. That entire class was full of nothing but quitters, quite fitting that was their final game actually. This year we were missing our three best defensive players vs Virginia. You can call these excuses all you want but facts are facts.

I'm not even going to justify a response to the BSHS comment.

We all know the defense blows atm but that's not the subject of the thread. Is the defense good enough to get us to the ACCCG? Is it good enough to get by UF? These are the questions pertinent to this thread. There are plenty of threads bashing the defense and Coach D.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

And once again, I don't think it likely we run the table and are playing for a MNC next year. I just think it's foolish to believe that it can't happen given our schedule. Assuming the current team plus current commits only, next year ACCG should be the goal with 9 wins being the minimum.

Our schedule doesn't mean anything when our defense just isn't any good. We still struggle to beat mid/lower tier ACC teams and with a similar defense, we are going still going to struggle next year.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Our alleged best DT has NEVER played a full season.

This staff has NEVER beat Virginia.

As long as Ball State and other terrible programs have a better D our Canes will only contend for the Coastal crown, and the ACC if we are lucky.

That's true, the good news is that it's never been a serious issue. Guy just doesn't heal quickly.

The staff has played Virginia twice. Last year the team relied on the seniors (and rightly )so to win games. It was clear evident that Vernon was the only one who even cared to play in that game since we self imposed. That entire class was full of nothing but quitters, quite fitting that was their final game actually. This year we were missing our three best defensive players vs Virginia. You can call these excuses all you want but facts are facts.

I'm not even going to justify a response to the BSHS comment.

We all know the defense blows atm but that's not the subject of the thread. Is the defense good enough to get us to the ACCCG? Is it good enough to get by UF? These are the questions pertinent to this thread. There are plenty of threads bashing the defense and Coach D.

I don't think the defense is good enough to get us to an ACCCG if VT is back to their usual self and we don't get the pleasure of skipping past UNC because they are ineligible.

I don't think our defense is good enough to get by UF.

The defense IS the subject of this thread because it is currently what makes or breaks our team, and the whole premise of this thread is about us taking the next step. In order to do so, good defense is the most imperative at the moment.