"Upward trend" - Latest Vish/Sebastianpub Analysis

[stormbrewing]

Oh he can end some of the negative fans in 1 move. Fire Dno

 

[Coach Macho]

the funny thing about these mofos blaming the offense...all throughout Shannons tenure our offense was pathetic and TO prone. Remeber we couldnt Move the ball against Wissy in that bowl game same place there in Orlando and we still held them to 20pts and could have won it at the end. Keep making excuses brah

I swore that Wisky game was an *** whoppin'.

Oh how I wish we still got those types of whoopings instead of what we get now when we lose.

 

[Copeseticman]

Seems to be an echo...

Miami coach Al Golden played coy about whether he was pursued or even interested in the vacant head-coaching job at Penn State.

All he wanted to do Monday during his conveniently scheduled season wrap press conference was look to the future.

Golden has staunchly backed his defensive staff, and defended them again on Monday, despite yet another season with subpar results. Defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio, close friends with Golden, has found himself drawing ire from Canes fans. It continued after a 36-9 drubbing by Louisville in the Russell Athletic Bowl on Dec. 28.

Golden said after the game he would evaluate every aspect of his staff and the program. On Monday, he said his evaluation showed that making changes would move the program in the wrong decision.

"Starting over for these young people was not the answer," Golden said. "We've made a lot of progress in a lot of different areas, but we've got a long way to go. I never fail to recognize that. That doesn't mean we're not going to tweak our personnel and how we devise things, the quality control we go through. A team's reborn every year. What was good for this past team may not be good for this team coming up."

Golden specifically mentioned the prospect of having additional depth in the secondary, which could allow the Canes to play more nickel coverage. He also praised his talented linebackers, a group that depends on Denzel Perryman returning to school for his senior year.

But what has been glaringly missing on this team for years now is a lack of size and talent up front.

Once again, Miami struggled to get any push with its defensive line. In eight conference games, Miami managed 12 sacks and ranked last in total defense, No. 12 in scoring defense and No. 13 in rushing defense. The Hurricanes were statistically worse in scoring defense and rushing defense in ACC play this season and only had three more sacks than a year ago.

Where Golden sees improvement, others see stagnation. In the bowl game, Miami was physically manhandled on the line of scrimmage by a Louisville offensive line that had consistency issues all season along. That cannot be acceptable moving forward.

Miami does have plenty of returning players, but the Canes also had plenty of returning players in 2013 and did not become an elite unit. Will another year of growth and maturity help this group? Only if Miami makes vast improvements on its defensive front. It is difficult to become an elite defense when you can't win the battle at the line of scrimmage.

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/65777/al-golden-wont-make-staff-changes

 

[Ghandi]

lrg, you're a ******* joke. You criticized Shannon with impunity, and much of it was complete nonsense at the time (remember you "intend to score" comment?) Yet Golden is basically doing the same **** as Shannon except Randy's fourth year squad was much, much more talented than Golden's and at least was competent on both sides of the ball, and you excuse defenses ranked in the 90's and 100's because Golden is incapable of recruiting defensive linemen.

Is that who the DaU83 is...lrg.

No ******* WONDER!

The guy was driving my blood pressure up. Now that I know he's that clown; I can just go back to treating his responses accordingly.

 

[RiDLer80]

I ******* hate Golden worse than I hated Shannon.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Pretty intellectually lazy analysis by the author of OP article.

He brings up taking into account the difference in quality of opponents as the reason why some stats improved but on the same token totally fails to take into account quality players that Golden inherited from in predecessor.. That's why it's laughable that he even wants to use 2010 as some sort of base year to measure a decline.
The 2010 defense was a veteran laden unit with 10 + NFL caliber players that stayed relatively healthy all year. This defense also managed to get their teeth kicked in against the 3 teams the faced with a pulse that year against OSU, FSU and VT.
Compare that the 2011 team that faced suspensions, the loss of players like Forston and Buchanon early to injuries. The suspension of their best defensive player in Vernon for 6 games. Their next most talented player in Ray Ray for 5 games. Spence for 1 game. They started 2 true freshman in Perryman and Chickillo.
In spite of of all this and the NCAA distractions, the 2011 defense allowed less rushing yards per game then the 2010 defense. For anyone to suggest Shannon would have fared better had he coached this defense in 2011 and beyond is either a major SHannon slurper or just dumb.

 

[ZCanes]

 

[Gamineal]

Yea the good ole days in 09 and 2010 when we dominated the acc

 

[Ibis4life]

Pretty intellectually lazy analysis by the author of OP article.

He brings up taking into account the difference in quality of opponents as the reason why some stats improved but on the same token totally fails to take into account quality players that Golden inherited from in predecessor.. That's why it's laughable that he even wants to use 2010 as some sort of base year to measure a decline.
The 2010 defense was a veteran laden unit with 10 + NFL caliber players that stayed relatively healthy all year. This defense also managed to get their teeth kicked in against the 3 teams the faced with a pulse that year against OSU, FSU and VT.
Compare that the 2011 team that faced suspensions, the loss of players like Forston and Buchanon early to injuries. The suspension of their best defensive player in Vernon for 6 games. Their next most talented player in Ray Ray for 5 games. Spence for 1 game. They started 2 true freshman in Perryman and Chickillo.
In spite of of all this and the NCAA distractions, the 2011 defense allowed less rushing yards per game then the 2010 defense. For anyone to suggest Shannon would have fared better had he coached this defense in 2011 and beyond is either a major SHannon slurper or just dumb.

Thank you. For him to accuse Golden of cherry picking stats and then double cherry pick himself to try to paint as negative a picture as he can is laughable. What an ***. I freaking hate some of our fans. It is embarrassing when fans of other universities are just laughing at us for wanting to get rid of Golden.

 

[VA_Cane_54]

Well when you put it like that...

 

[Miami82]

Great ******* post. I'm livid. Can you e-mail this to the AD, in case his head is up his ***?

It's already been tweeted to Freet and others. I'm sure the admin will see it (not that they give a ****)

If there are no significant changes in the offseason, then yes the administration has their heads up their asses.

 

[CaneBucsFan]

Pretty intellectually lazy analysis by the author of OP article.

He brings up taking into account the difference in quality of opponents as the reason why some stats improved but on the same token totally fails to take into account quality players that Golden inherited from in predecessor.. That's why it's laughable that he even wants to use 2010 as some sort of base year to measure a decline.
The 2010 defense was a veteran laden unit with 10 + NFL caliber players that stayed relatively healthy all year. This defense also managed to get their teeth kicked in against the 3 teams the faced with a pulse that year against OSU, FSU and VT.
Compare that the 2011 team that faced suspensions, the loss of players like Forston and Buchanon early to injuries. The suspension of their best defensive player in Vernon for 6 games. Their next most talented player in Ray Ray for 5 games. Spence for 1 game. They started 2 true freshman in Perryman and Chickillo.
In spite of of all this and the NCAA distractions, the 2011 defense allowed less rushing yards per game then the 2010 defense. For anyone to suggest Shannon would have fared better had he coached this defense in 2011 and beyond is either a major SHannon slurper or just dumb.

You miss the point. The whole premise is as a response to Golden's interview with Joe Rose where he threw out some numbers:

“If we look at the defense, for instance, again, we’re not where we want to be. But what are the trends? Those are the trends that I look at every day. We moved up 17 spots in terms of points per game, we moved up 36 spots nationally in terms of giving up rushing defense. We moved up 52 spots in interceptions. We moved up 25 spots nationally in forced fumbles. We moved up 40 spots in takeaways. We moved up 74 spots in sacks. We moved up 52 spots in red-zone defense. We moved up 36 spots in red zone TDs. We moved up 21 spots in yards per rush, and again, it’s still not where it needs to be, we’ve got to get that under 4 [yards per carry]. We moved up 17 spots in yards per play.

to prove his point. JT's post was just showing that these are not trends that exist in our conference play, which has a relatively constant level of opponent, and that it is mostly attributable to the fact that we racked up some good statistics against subpar teams out of conference.

The talent argument is real, nobody rational is going to claim that our talent on defense was great. What is not okay is Al's attempt to hide stagnation (or even regression) under the guise of "an upward trend" because we replaced Bethune-Cookman, Notre Dame and Kansas State (2 top 10 teams) with Savannah State, FAU, and the worst UF team in decades.

 

[nyibis]

At least he doesn't throw players under the bus.

That is what coach speak is all about.

Still need changes to the defensive philosophy or a new dc.

 

[DaU83]

we just like to complain.. is the defense where it needs to be? no. was it improved over last year? yes. Did i think the defense played well early in the bowl game? yes. but they couldn't hold up for 4 quarters, especially with how bad the offense was.

How did the defense improve?

were we not better in a majority of statistical categories? If so, that's an improvement. People seem to forget that golden and Donof put out a solid defense their first year here when our defense had better, more mature players than we've had the past two seasons... that's probably not coincidental.

It wasn't a solid defense, it was OK/mediocre at best. It was the worst defense we put out in last 10+ years going into the 2010 season.

01-06: 6th, 7th, 2nd, 28th, 4th, 7th
07- 33rd (345 ypg)
08- 26th (315 ypg)
09- 29th (331 ypg)
10- 23rd (323 ypg)
11- 45th (359 ypg)
12- 120th (486 ypg)
13- 90th (426 ypg)

talk to be about ppg, they don't decide who won at the end of the game by amount of yardage.

 

[Republicane]

we just like to complain.. is the defense where it needs to be? no. was it improved over last year? yes. Did i think the defense played well early in the bowl game? yes. but they couldn't hold up for 4 quarters, especially with how bad the offense was.

How did the defense improve?

were we not better in a majority of statistical categories? If so, that's an improvement. People seem to forget that golden and Donof put out a solid defense their first year here when our defense had better, more mature players than we've had the past two seasons... that's probably not coincidental.

It wasn't a solid defense, it was OK/mediocre at best. It was the worst defense we put out in last 10+ years going into the 2010 season.

01-06: 6th, 7th, 2nd, 28th, 4th, 7th
07- 33rd (345 ypg)
08- 26th (315 ypg)
09- 29th (331 ypg)
10- 23rd (323 ypg)
11- 45th (359 ypg)
12- 120th (486 ypg)
13- 90th (426 ypg)

talk to be about ppg, they don't decide who won at the end of the game by amount of yardage.

Yeah there probably isn't even any correlation between the two.

 

[DaU83]

How did the defense improve?

were we not better in a majority of statistical categories? If so, that's an improvement. People seem to forget that golden and Donof put out a solid defense their first year here when our defense had better, more mature players than we've had the past two seasons... that's probably not coincidental.

..

It wasn't a solid defense, it was OK/mediocre at best. It was the worst defense we put out in last 10+ years going into the 2010 season.

01-06: 6th, 7th, 2nd, 28th, 4th, 7th
07- 33rd (345 ypg)
08- 26th (315 ypg)
09- 29th (331 ypg)
10- 23rd (323 ypg)
11- 45th (359 ypg)
12- 120th (486 ypg)
13- 90th (426 ypg)

talk to be about ppg, they don't decide who won at the end of the game by amount of yardage.

Yeah there probably isn't even any correlation between the two.

fsu 385 yards. ...Auburn 449

 

[Miami82]

were we not better in a majority of statistical categories? If so, that's an improvement. People seem to forget that golden and Donof put out a solid defense their first year here when our defense had better, more mature players than we've had the past two seasons... that's probably not coincidental.

..

It wasn't a solid defense, it was OK/mediocre at best. It was the worst defense we put out in last 10+ years going into the 2010 season.

01-06: 6th, 7th, 2nd, 28th, 4th, 7th
07- 33rd (345 ypg)
08- 26th (315 ypg)
09- 29th (331 ypg)
10- 23rd (323 ypg)
11- 45th (359 ypg)
12- 120th (486 ypg)
13- 90th (426 ypg)

talk to be about ppg, they don't decide who won at the end of the game by amount of yardage.

Yeah there probably isn't even any correlation between the two.

fsu 385 yards. ...Auburn 449

FSU +100yds, special teams score.

 

[Republicane]

were we not better in a majority of statistical categories? If so, that's an improvement. People seem to forget that golden and Donof put out a solid defense their first year here when our defense had better, more mature players than we've had the past two seasons... that's probably not coincidental.

..

It wasn't a solid defense, it was OK/mediocre at best. It was the worst defense we put out in last 10+ years going into the 2010 season.

01-06: 6th, 7th, 2nd, 28th, 4th, 7th
07- 33rd (345 ypg)
08- 26th (315 ypg)
09- 29th (331 ypg)
10- 23rd (323 ypg)
11- 45th (359 ypg)
12- 120th (486 ypg)
13- 90th (426 ypg)

talk to be about ppg, they don't decide who won at the end of the game by amount of yardage.

Yeah there probably isn't even any correlation between the two.

fsu 385 yards. ...Auburn 449

Both teams score 30+ or nah?

 

[Republicane]

were we not better in a majority of statistical categories? If so, that's an improvement. People seem to forget that golden and Donof put out a solid defense their first year here when our defense had better, more mature players than we've had the past two seasons... that's probably not coincidental.

..

It wasn't a solid defense, it was OK/mediocre at best. It was the worst defense we put out in last 10+ years going into the 2010 season.

01-06: 6th, 7th, 2nd, 28th, 4th, 7th
07- 33rd (345 ypg)
08- 26th (315 ypg)
09- 29th (331 ypg)
10- 23rd (323 ypg)
11- 45th (359 ypg)
12- 120th (486 ypg)
13- 90th (426 ypg)

talk to be about ppg, they don't decide who won at the end of the game by amount of yardage.

Yeah there probably isn't even any correlation between the two.

fsu 385 yards. ...Auburn 449

It looks like you missed the point I was making. More yardage = more points. Don't know why that was tough to figure out but it is what it is I guess.

 

[weownfsu]

The defense's job isn't just to stop the other team from scoring but it's also to stop them from moving the ball so you can get it back and score. YPG literally tells you how well your defense is doing that lol. Leave it to lrg the racist to actually try something like that. Guy is pathtic.