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Up to #11 in AP, up to #10 in the Coaches poll

hoops156 said:
our defense is incredibly mediocre. we need them to figure it out in conference play. it just hasn't been a good defense in conf play
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Yeah the secondary is bad and Kiko has apparently been eating a bucket of greasy chicken wings before the games, as players are easily getting out of his attempts to make a tackle. Jackson just got here as DB coach so can’t really fault him for recruiting failures, but many of us thought Addae should have been canned earlier. If our recruiting class holds up I think the DB room will be in good shape going forward, but unfortunately I feel it’s the Achilles heel that keeps us from competing for the title in a year where the natty is up for grabs and we have the best QB in cfb.
 
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Squid Bumciorek said:
I think UM would beat Clemson (again) if we played them but the fact is we got into ACC play in both of our games and we flirted with disaster, largely because the defense is letting teams run up the score in the first half. On the other hand, Clemson took care of business (they didn’t look impressive against FSU but they still won by a fair margin). It’s nice that Guidry gets his **** figured out into the second half, but spotting teams 24 points in the first half of consecutive games isn’t a winning recipe.

VT/ Cal are both better than FSU/Wake so we aren’t exactly comparing apples to apples, but I can’t fault voters for being skeptical of UM. I still don’t know how good we are, Louisville will be the best measuring stick as UM , SMU, and Clemson play (or played) them. We are coming off a bye and should be nearly at full strength. If we struggle again , and Clemson dominates UL when they play in a couple weeks, that will tell me what I need to know about which two teams are the best in the ACC.
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The fact that we can get it together in the 2nd half makes me wonder if it's mostly more than just a matter of Guidry's prep/schemes. Given his record, I don't think he's coaching them to do that during the week. Also, the player's-only meeting suggests that some are ****ed about the focus and seriousness among the team. Definitely agree about that last part with Clemson. They're looking good and like they're focused for every game. If we're good for 4 quarters against Louisville it'll answer a lot of questions.
 
The reality is that we have too many pussified fans who don't have any clue how hard we had to fight (in the court of public opinion) to be ranked in the 1980s and 1990s. A bunch of dimwits who think that if you JUST go undefeated, you can safely leave your fate in the hands of the voters. Like F$U did.

Pedo State barely beat a 3-3 team in California. Miami barely beat a 3-3 team in California. However, Pedo State has struggled in nearly every game they've played, yet THEY get to be ranked ahead of two 1-loss teams. And what are we going to say if Georgia beats Texas next week and Pedo State beats Ohio State in 3 weeks, that we should be ranked behind FOUR 1-loss teams? Because they all incestuously destroyed each other, and they should get more credit for "quality losses" than we get for ACTUAL WINS?

Maybe AP and the Coaches poll carry less weight. But they build perception, and perception is reality. Does anyone honestly believe that the CFP voters are going to WILDLY differ from AP/Coaches polls? Give me a ******* break.

We can't change our conference (yet) or our schedule. There is no remaining regular season game that will make any voter (AP, coach, or CFP) sit up and say "hey, you're right, that Miami team is really good". I don't care if we stand a good chance of getting a 3 or 4 seed. We need to take seriously the idea that we might get cut out with one loss, over other teams that have lost 2 or 3 games.

But, yeah, we have some dopey porsters who think that wins over Louisville and F$U and Duke and GaTech and Wake and Syracuse are suddenly going to cause the world to take our team seriously and vote them to a higher spot.
 
Echtcane said:
The fact that we can get it together in the 2nd half makes me wonder if it's mostly more than just a matter of Guidry's prep/schemes. Given his record, I don't think he's coaching them to do that during the week. Also, the player's-only meeting suggests that some are ****ed about the focus and seriousness among the team. Definitely agree about that last part with Clemson. They're looking good and like they're focused for every game. If we're good for 4 quarters against Louisville it'll answer a lot of questions.
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Some of the blame also has to go on Ward and the offense. In the Cal game he was horrible in the first half and all the way into the 3rd quarter. It doesn’t help the defense when it’s on the field so much and in bad field position. In the VT game we took a 14-7 lead after Powells interception in the first quarter (yay defense!) The UM offense then proceeded to go : INT, Punt (24 yards on 8 plays , Punt (4 yards on 6 plays) , INT on its next 4 series. The offense is the strength of the team, it should be making it easy for the defense but it’s making it much harder for a good chunk of the games. And the defense getting better in the second half happens to coincide with the offense finally pulling its head out its a$$.
 
Squid Bumciorek said:
Some of the blame also has to go on Ward and the offense. In the Cal game he was horrible in the first half and all the way into the 3rd quarter. It doesn’t help the defense when it’s on the field so much and in bad field position. In the VT game we took a 14-7 lead after Powells interception in the first quarter (yay defense!) The UM offense then proceeded to go : INT, Punt (24 yards on 8 plays , Punt (4 yards on 6 plays) , INT on its next 4 series. The offense is the strength of the team, it should be making it easy for the defense but it’s making it much harder for a good chunk of the games. And the defense getting better in the second half happens to coincide with the offense finally pulling its head out its a$$.
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Yes. There were a lot of truths spoken in the Cal game thread. Over the top and sometimes ridiculous as usual, but still honest at the core. Ward was playing badly and selfishly for a long time. That's worrying because we've been led to believe he's all team/all business about executing a smart game plan. There were guys open that he just continually ignored. And we know by now he's certainly capable of processing that and getting the ball there.
 
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hoops156 said:
our defense is incredibly mediocre. we need them to figure it out in conference play. it just hasn't been a good defense in conf play
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Just not sure there’s anything we can fix until we get some better players at certain spots

Bain getting back to full strength helps for sure but I think we just need to hope we can be better in the red zone as a defense and perhaps get a few more turnovers with Bain and Baron but other than that I’m not seeing these guys suddenly figuring it out

Could be wrong but I think this is just the type of team we have
 
This is why college football needs to get away from the emphasis on pre-season polls, AP polls, and coach’s polls.

During the season, rank teams by wins and then point differential. See any world soccer league…3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, and then goal differential.

Stop all of the fantasy and preferential team treatment nonsense. In any other sport or competitive event, no team with a loss should be ranked higher than an undefeated team. It makes no sense (however, fans of college football have accepted it as normal).

What the **** is the point of playing the games?
 
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BS85 said:
I hate it when people say preseason rankings don't matter, they're massively important.
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Yes. And we can have two different thoughts on this, with both thoughts being technically correct, and both thoughts being "bad for UM/ACC".

Pre-season rankings (and pre-CFP rankings) matter. They form perceptions and opinions, and then these perceptions/opinions become reality. If a team is projected to be "Top 25", then any win over such a team is a "quality win", and any loss to such a team is a "quality loss". Waiting around until we can see November's CFP rankings will never change this.

And at the same time, the AP and Coaches polls "don't matter". The CFP is free to disregard these polls and use different criteria. And, sure, maybe the CFP is all that matters ONCE YOU GET TO 12 PLAYOFF TEAMS.

But in-between...for September and October...the AP and Coaches both "matter" and "don't matter". And we have to acknowledge this.

The CFP is not going to sit down and suddenly put, say, Army and Navy in the Top 12 merely because they are undefeated. All of the AP/Coaches polls and RELATED OPINIONS leading up to the CFP rankings are what help to determine which "undefeated" teams are better than others, and which "1-loss" and "2-loss" teams are "better" than teams that have lost fewer games.

We can't ignore AP/Coaches. And we can't ignore CFP rankings. They may not be bound together formally/legally, but to ignore the ways in which they influence each other is just misguided.
 
Like I’ve said it doesn’t matter whether we’re 6th or 16th cause if we win the ACC we’re the 4th seed but the LSU writer and the SDU writer both had us 12th…
 
Genghis Cane said:


Looks like the Wyoming guy who ranked us 16th last week had an epiphany…
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clearly that guy filled his ballot out late that saturday night before our comeback lmao

also the duke guy having clemson at 7 and us at 11 just shows you the intelligence of the people that are submitting these things
 
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MiamiVice7 said:
But it’s also true that the fix is in before the season even starts. They use the “SEC gauntlet” to justify losses and close calls by the contenders while pumping up the losers of those games, resulting in a self-fulfilling circle jerk.

Teams like us have to be perfect, and even if we are, they still push us down as far as humanly possible—justified by the same type of close calls or losses. That leaves little room for error on the road to a championship, while the SEC types get 1, 2, or even 3 mulligans on account of their tough schedules.

It’s all the eye test, mind you. Because when you start to look at SOS and similar metrics, the argument often doesn’t hold water.

What if Miami had lost to Vandy? Where would we be ranked?
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Nailed it. “Just win out and we’re in”, ignoring the Bamas, UGAs, Tennessees, etc of the world not being held to that standard is a ******* issue and an idiotic mindset by so many in this fanbase. If we go 12-0 and lose to Clemson in the championship game, I’ll be nervous. If we go 11-1 and lose, I’ll be positive we don’t get in. Meanwhile Georgia could go 9-3 and not even play for the SEC championship and they’d likely get in.

It’s ******* ridiculous and I’m so tired of the “Well if we win every game it doesn’t matter” mentality.
 
TwentySix said:
Nailed it. “Just win out and we’re in”, ignoring the Bamas, UGAs, Tennessees, etc of the world not being held to that standard is a ******* issue and an idiotic mindset by so many in this fanbase. If we go 12-0 and lose to Clemson in the championship game, I’ll be nervous. If we go 11-1 and lose, I’ll be positive we don’t get in. Meanwhile Georgia could go 9-3 and not even play for the SEC championship and they’d likely get in.

It’s ******* ridiculous and I’m so tired of the “Well if we win every game it doesn’t matter” mentality.
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Yeah, we have some fans who still think it's 2001 or something.

Ridiculous mentality. "Just keep winning and everything will be OK". No, no it won't.

I want to win every game because I hate every other team, not to impress pollsters. And I want the voters to respect us and treat us fairly. Unfortunately, the latter has not happened for decades.
 
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If we handle Louisville on Saturday, we’ll have momentum again. Need UGA to lose to Texas so we can jump into the top 5.

Ohio State and Penn State play each other in a few weeks.

If we win out, we’ll be in the top 4.
 
Genghis Cane said:
If we handle Louisville on Saturday, we’ll have momentum again. Need UGA to lose to Texas so we can jump into the top 5.

Ohio State and Penn State play each other in a few weeks.

If we win out, we’ll be in the top 4.
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Momentum how?

By beating an unranked team that would then be 4-3 on the season?

Meanwhile, one or both polls has raised Pedo State's ranking EVERY SINGLE WEEK except one.

"If we win out". Yet I don't see anyone saying that about any SEC or Big 10 team. And that is the issue.

It's the Human Centipede effect of SEC/Big 10 in the AP and Coaches polls.
 
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