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This dude for real??

Baba Yaga said:
I'm not saying it is because I have no clue, but IF its true that Rumph has no control over who he can offer, he should tell Manny and Banda to eat his *** and bounce.

CB recruiting is an unmitigated cluster**** and there needs to be accountability.
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I agree 100%, but that is also a ****** way to manage people. If you don’t trust someone to do all aspects of their job, then you should not employ them. It’s not like he is in some niche field or undesirable position where they couldn’t find a replacement. If you only trust your yesmen, you’re not going to have a long career.

I think Rumph needs to go for all of the reasons you lay out, but if it is what you are saying, then just firing Rumph isn’t going to change a thing.
 
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NorthEastCane said:
If it's true, is it really an excuse? There's got to be a reason why we repeatedly fail. It seems more and more like a "doing the same thing expecting different results" situation.

I don't know if it's true or not but I've also heard it. I've also read from Manny's own mouth that he has very specific metric for CBs. It's easier for most to find someone to blame that get to the root ot it.
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It’s all on manny at the end of the day. the idea position coaches get to recruit whoever they want isn’t true at any good program. if rumph fundamentally disagrees with the profile for cfb, this isn’t the job for him. but it still doesn’t explain why he can’t sign any of the kids who fit the profile. my guess is because his heart isn’t into it and they sense that. his heart isn’t into it because he’d rather be recruiting different kids.

manny’s unwillingness to address this issue in recruiting and the banda rumph dynamic is on manny.
 
wspcane said:
I agree 100%, but that is also a ****** way to manage people. If you don’t trust someone to do all aspects of their job, then you should not employ them. It’s not like he is in some niche field or undesirable position where they couldn’t find a replacement. If you only trust your yesmen, you’re not going to have a long career.

I think Rumph needs to go for all of the reasons you lay out, but if it is what you are saying, then just firing Rumph isn’t going to change a thing.
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Yeah we're on the same page. Again, IF that's how they decide who to offer at corner, because outside of heresy on CiSpool I don't have the slightest clue how the inner workings of our crooting process works, Rumph needs to speak way the **** up. Coaching CB's is his livelihood, he should be livid if Banda has any say over who he's allowed to offer, and if Manny's constantly veto'ing the guys Rumph wants, you've gotta be able to tell your boss when you think he's wrong, and why.

Been in the military most of my adult life. Good leaders don't want pushovers advising them, they want people who will give it to them straight, good, bad or ugly. Therein lies part of the problem IMO, Manny isn't a leader. The look on his face while Mack was pushing his **** in last weekend tells you all you need to know about that.
 
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NorthEastCane said:
Except that I was using it as an example of people blaming Rumph even if it's true the Mandy and Banda don't allow Rumph to green light or recruit a CB.

As you said cognitive dissonance at all costs. Can't let it disrupt a good rant.
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Except that your example defies logic.

People deservedly blame Rumph because regardless of whether he has no say, he fails to get the targets he is told to go get. If Banda/Baker/Diaz were targeting kids, Rumph disagreed but they ignored him, Rumph pulled the kids they wanted him to, and those CBs underperformed because they were bad evaluations, maybe you and the people claiming Rumph has no say would have an intelligent point. But Rumph is constantly failing to bring in these kids in the first place. He is not living up to his end.

If you believe Rumph is the only position coach in P5 football that does not have final decision authority in who he recruits, then I don't know what to tell you. Most position coaches have some say, but very few have full control over the kids they recruit at their position. On our own staff, just about every other position manages to get recruits to sign. They may not all develop or perform (LB, especially), but they sign kids.

Ultimately, as I have said many times on this board, CB recruiting is a ****show, and Diaz/Baker deserve some blame for that, too. It's not binary or some mutually exclusive proposition, and there is plenty of blame to go around as bad as that position has been managed. But the caping for Rumph is illogical. He simply sucks at recruiting.
 
wspcane said:
I agree 100%, but that is also a ****** way to manage people. If you don’t trust someone to do all aspects of their job, then you should not employ them. It’s not like he is in some niche field or undesirable position where they couldn’t find a replacement. If you only trust your yesmen, you’re not going to have a long career.

I think Rumph needs to go for all of the reasons you lay out, but if it is what you are saying, then just firing Rumph isn’t going to change a thing.
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This is right. If the HC/DC do not trust a position coach to this extent, they should terminate the employment. Ultimately, that is where the lion's share of fault for Manny should fall. On all hiring decisions, the buck must stop with him.
 
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I see all the time Rumph wants corners built like him, Rumph doesn't recuit at all,
Now Rumph wanted smaller corners and doesn't have his pick of the players
I seen Rumph can coach, the players don't matter
I seen Rumph can't coach,
Nobody wants to play in this scheme which is funny when you look at UF & FSU get at CB and what their schemes are.

Is it oochie Wally? Or is it one mic?

What happened at CB position is failure by the entire staff, Rumph & Manny are the most at fault, and it should be corrected by a new hire and clear objectives for the coach.
 
Everyone involved with cb recruiting sucks, it takes a group effort to be this horrible. There's zero chance it's all Rumph's fault, but he should still be fired either way.

If Diaz and Banda are telling him who he can and can't OFFER, they suck too. However, it's not like Rumph can't still recruit and build relationships with whoever he wants in case an offer is a possibility last minute (which it is every single year when they strike out on the too targets).
 
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JgDaCane said:
I can't deal with the 2020 age of cryptic tweets & posts. Either be a MAN and say what you have to say or keep your mouth shut.
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Maybe I'm young, but I thought it was pretty straight forward. Unless you want him to say actual names of the CB recruits or something. Bartender has been used all over in reference to Banda.
 
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Let me say this again, Mike COACHES the entire secondary. Banda RECRUITS the entire secondary.
They help each other at their weaknesses, they are not opposites, it’s a complimentary relationship on this staff.

Let me ask you this, how does firing Mike Rumph help us?

People don’t understand how much Diaz is into staff chemistry. I personally think hiring TRob is a boss move and we could probably still find a way to have him and Mike on staff. That way we don’t have to worry about Mike being QUICKLY scooped up by a rival, signing a bunch of South Florida talent and beating our *** with it.

CB is the least important position on THIS defense and we don’t lose games solely because of CB play.
Manny/Banda does not prioritize this position, it’s evident - if you fire Rumph, you bring in TRob or you overhaul the whole thing.
 
We still have Telly Lockette on staff maybe he and Rumph can switch roles and we retain the coaching element but improve the recruiting aspect at corner.
 
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