The U Administration's commitment to Miami football...

[CyberCane]

It's pretty easy to initiate a campaign when you're at a school that has a large alumni base…not to mention when you own your stadium. Knock out the stadium renovations from that list and the numbers are much more pedestrian and in-line with UM's spending.

Sure it can be easy for some schools....but it is really hard when you don't even try.

I don't think it is fair to "knock out the stadium renovations". That is a cost that UM does not have. So they should have plenty to spend on other things and make those things elite.

I mean ****, TCU is a tiny ****ing school and they somehow have 160 million to drop on stadiums ****.

anyhow, I've already posted too much. I really just wanted to point out that the OP is a douche thinking that his post is the end of the discussion. That anyone that disagrees with his premise is both stupid and not a fan. I pointed out a few things just to show him that his "points" aren't ****...and she sure as **** has no ground to stand on to be such a condescending piece of ****.

WTF are you talking about? Miami doesn't have a stadium so they have money to spend on other things? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please tell me you're trolling here.

what?

No I did not say they don't have a stadium so they have to spend it on other things. I basically said a stadium is one thing they don't have to dump resources into, so they can invest money that schools typically dump into stadiums into other stuff...you''d think they could do more than maybe one drive for 30 million.

So I guess miami doesn't have any boosters and because of that Shalala can only do a fundraising drive for the football team a few times a decade? i know for a fact Miami does have football fanatical boosters and some very good ones. The "we don't have boosters" stuff is pretty weak. The admin would just rather hit those boosters up for other things, It appears. I don't know...

TCU had to do a booster drive to get 160 million for stadium upgrades. That is something miami doesn't have to do. TCU is a small *** private school and until recently in a small *** conference and (until recently) basically no tv money. I find it extremely hard to believe that miami's finances and boosters are weaker than TCU's

You arent this stupid.



just checked: TCU undergrad enrollment is around 8k vs Miami of 16K

Take a look at average attendance, ticket price, booster participation (at what financial levels), etc…of all of those other schools you mentioned. Would be curious where we stack up.

 

[User-4525]

Miami's undergrad enrollment is 10k.

 

[CyberCane]

To put it in perspective for you:

735,000 people attended 7 ohio state home games last year.
Their average ticket price was $79 in 2013
This does NOT include luxury suites and donations to garner better seats
In order to purchase season tickets, you have to donate a min of $1,500.00

I'm not sure how the math works out, but compare that to Miami...

398,000 people attended 7 Miami home games last year
I couldn't find info on the average price, but call it $30
No donation required to purchase season tickets

 

[bomb]

Maybe only 2 or 3 these schools in the list below have an ounce of the football history or tradition that Miami has. Almost all of them have **** all over Shalalalalala 30 million spending "spree"

the list below is a few years old. Many of these schools have engaged in more spending since then.

Arizona: In the midst of a $378 million north end zone expansion at Arizona Stadium that will add about 7,000 seats.

Arkansas: Recently broke ground on a new, $35 million football operations center.

Baylor: In beginning stages of building new stadium at estimated cost of $250 million.

Boise State: Recently broke ground on a new, $22 million football complex.

California: Completely renovating Memorial Stadium at an estimated cost of $321 million. As of April, the school had raised $35 million with a goal of $270 million in donations by summer 2013.

Florida State: Currently raising funds for new indoor practice facility, with hopes of breaking ground this fall.

Iowa: In phase one of a two-part, $57 million plan to build a new practice facility and operations building.

Kansas State: Has embarked on $75 million project to upgrade west side of Bill Snyder Family Stadium.

LSU: Recently approved $100 million expansion of Tiger Stadium, bringing capacity close to 100,000 seats.

Louisville: Has begun fundraising for a $7.5 million, 18,000-foot addition to its football complex.

Michigan State: Installing new $10 million scoreboard at Spartans Stadium that will be largest in the state.

Mississippi State: Expected to open new, $25 million football complex in January.

Nebraska: Finishing a $63.5 million expansion of the east side of Memorial Stadium that will add about 6,000 seats.

Oklahoma State: Construction underway on a $16 million indoor practice facility, plus new outdoor fields that will cost $3 million.

Ohio State: Spending $7 million for new scoreboard and improved sound system and other touches at Ohio Stadium.

Syracuse: Upgrading locker rooms and other team areas at a cost of $5 million.

Tennessee: In final stages of a $45 million new football complex that will contain 145,000 square feet.

TCU: Expected to complete $164 million expansion and renovation to Amon G. Carter Stadium in time for this year's season opener.

USC: Scheduled to open the $70 million, 110,000-square foot John McKay Center this summer; complex includes locker rooms, training areas, football offices and a two-story video board.

Utah: Coaches are working in trailers as a new, $30 million football complex is being built.

Virginia: Planning $13 million indoor practice facility.

Virginia Tech: Has announced plans to build a $20 million indoor practice facility.

Washington: Work is ongoing on a $250 million renovation of Husky Stadium.

Wisconsin: In beginning stages of an $86 million upgrade to locker rooms, weight training and academic areas at Camp Randall Stadium, which also got new turf this summer.

Yep, and all of them have either one or both of the two key things Miami lacks... public funding, and more importantly, legitimate financial support from its fan base.

 

[bomb]

that list is old.......

That's not the point.

The point is that Token has such a big problem with bomb apparently that he had to run over here and post information when he really doesn't care about Shalala at all. Rustled as *** for whatever reason.

Ya that is it. You are right I don't have a dog in this fight, but I know bull**** when I see it. If the OP wasn't such a condescending douche with his approach i wouldn't have posted anything. He doesn't want a discussion...he just wants to declare his opinion is fact and anyone who disagrees is not a fan. He deserves to be slapped around.

I'm terribly sorry I hurt your feelings. It won't happen again.

Can I go back to class now?

 

[bomb]

Maybe only 2 or 3 these schools in the list below have an ounce of the football history or tradition that Miami has. Almost all of them have **** all over Shalalalalala 30 million spending "spree"

the list below is a few years old. Many of these schools have engaged in more spending since then.

Arizona: In the midst of a $378 million north end zone expansion at Arizona Stadium that will add about 7,000 seats.

Arkansas: Recently broke ground on a new, $35 million football operations center.

Baylor: In beginning stages of building new stadium at estimated cost of $250 million.

Boise State: Recently broke ground on a new, $22 million football complex.

California: Completely renovating Memorial Stadium at an estimated cost of $321 million. As of April, the school had raised $35 million with a goal of $270 million in donations by summer 2013.

Florida State: Currently raising funds for new indoor practice facility, with hopes of breaking ground this fall.

Iowa: In phase one of a two-part, $57 million plan to build a new practice facility and operations building.

Kansas State: Has embarked on $75 million project to upgrade west side of Bill Snyder Family Stadium.

LSU: Recently approved $100 million expansion of Tiger Stadium, bringing capacity close to 100,000 seats.

Louisville: Has begun fundraising for a $7.5 million, 18,000-foot addition to its football complex.

Michigan State: Installing new $10 million scoreboard at Spartans Stadium that will be largest in the state.

Mississippi State: Expected to open new, $25 million football complex in January.

Nebraska: Finishing a $63.5 million expansion of the east side of Memorial Stadium that will add about 6,000 seats.

Oklahoma State: Construction underway on a $16 million indoor practice facility, plus new outdoor fields that will cost $3 million.

Ohio State: Spending $7 million for new scoreboard and improved sound system and other touches at Ohio Stadium.

Syracuse: Upgrading locker rooms and other team areas at a cost of $5 million.

Tennessee: In final stages of a $45 million new football complex that will contain 145,000 square feet.

TCU: Expected to complete $164 million expansion and renovation to Amon G. Carter Stadium in time for this year's season opener.

USC: Scheduled to open the $70 million, 110,000-square foot John McKay Center this summer; complex includes locker rooms, training areas, football offices and a two-story video board.

Utah: Coaches are working in trailers as a new, $30 million football complex is being built.

Virginia: Planning $13 million indoor practice facility.

Virginia Tech: Has announced plans to build a $20 million indoor practice facility.

Washington: Work is ongoing on a $250 million renovation of Husky Stadium.

Wisconsin: In beginning stages of an $86 million upgrade to locker rooms, weight training and academic areas at Camp Randall Stadium, which also got new turf this summer.

You're confusing the commitment of boosters/alumni vs the commitment of the school. Big difference.

All those campaigns are initiated by the school. How many campaigns have been initiated by UM for the football team?

The campaign that paid for the Hecht renovation.

The campaign that paid for the new practice fields.

The campaign that paid for the new training table program ($3M btw).

The campaign that paid for the new uniforms, that the recruits are going ape **** for.

$30MILLION.

 

[bomb]

One of OPs worst threads ever created...if not THE worst. LOL at talking about Miami Dolphins upgrades and some other b/s upgrades. We cant even get upgrades right, how are we gonna get the defense right?

Thanks comma donna.

/I still think you're really a man

You did see where I clearly said she/UM had nothing to do with driving it or accomplishing it, right? Or are you just trying to latch onto any crumb of hope and run with it, truth be damned? Quote the full sentence I wrote.

 

[bomb]

Looks like the U is about to make another killing in land sales here in Sarasota county selling another piece of protected land, this was on the news last night


http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20130604/article/130609871

Selling TO THE COUNTY... not just selling. It protects it even more.

Four pages, mostly of dissension and this THIS is the point you choose to quibble with.

Hard to comment on 4 pages when you've only read about a page... like where his comment was that I responded to. Use your fingers, we're still only at 5 pages.

 

[bomb]

So where am I supposed to go to deactivate my card? Do I get a refund for the last ten years of missteps and suck?

Shalala is well versed in politics. Lots of words and when people finally get fed up, we get a little action. Millions upon millions of dollars short and 10-15 years too late. She should go back to DC where she would fit right in with the rest of the idiots running our country.

Relax. Anyone who actually went to UM post-1970 realizes it was a caf joke.

 

[NMB Cane]

I hope Donna retires soon, her reign of terror has gone on far too long...Coker, Shannon, Golden, Fail, fail, fail

She has stolen from the Golden Goose and given nothing back. Without the U's football success long before her arrival, the troll would never have been able to expand her empire.

 

[De Pinga]

To put it in perspective for you:

735,000 people attended 7 ohio state home games last year.
Their average ticket price was $79 in 2013
This does NOT include luxury suites and donations to garner better seats
In order to purchase season tickets, you have to donate a min of $1,500.00

I'm not sure how the math works out, but compare that to Miami...

398,000 people attended 7 Miami home games last year
I couldn't find info on the average price, but call it $30
No donation required to purchase season tickets

You must sit w/ that gordo, ****ler Ridge Laz in the 400s bro

 

[Fightinibis]

Watch this Golden interview from yesterday. In the first 2 minutes he quickly illustrates $30M+ in football improvements over the last year. This doesn't include the improvements to the Hecht at the start of Golden's tenure, or any other improvements that have occurred before the last year, any of the little stuff like the marketing and video improvements, and of course does not include the $350M in improvements Ross is making to MoonLife Stadium, which UM supported, but certainly didn't drive or fund.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHKeHt8PMZg&feature=youtu.be

$30M.

And there are two more major football capital improvment phases on the agenda.

No other UM President/BOT has overseen such a commitment, during their entire tenure, let alone in a year or so. Anyone who criticizes them with regards to their commitment to UM Football needs to deactivate their CaneCard. The astute folks here may remember that Donna assigned one of her very best fund-raisers to Football/AD a few years ago. This is the result.

Its Great to Be.

Huge props, and it should have begun in 2002 on the back of what should have been 3 consecutive national championships, especially considering the huge savings on 1st time head coaches for almost a decade...would have been cheaper as well.

That said, no sense in looking backwards now...just glad we are finally getting it done.

UM

 

[Consigliere]

let's be honest here.

this is a chicken or egg problem.

Administration isn't spending money because our football program in the recent years haven't proved to be profitable.

recently, they shared some of their massive donations to the football program that essentially built the entire school.

now, we are lagging in facilities, but we DO have the players and SHOULD have a pretty productive season this year and put asses on seats.

If the team fails THIS YEAR, it's not because of facilities. It's because of coaches and/or players.

The football team is profitable.

 

[Consigliere]

Looks like the U is about to make another killing in land sales here in Sarasota county selling another piece of protected land, this was on the news last night


http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20130604/article/130609871

Selling TO THE COUNTY... not just selling. It protects it even more.

Four pages, mostly of dissension and this THIS is the point you choose to quibble with.

I've waited for weeks for his comment on how the "cloud" was the reason we lost 4 out of the last 6.

 

[Consigliere]

It's pretty easy to initiate a campaign when you're at a school that has a large alumni base…not to mention when you own your stadium. Knock out the stadium renovations from that list and the numbers are much more pedestrian and in-line with UM's spending.

Sure it can be easy for some schools....but it is really hard when you don't even try.

I don't think it is fair to "knock out the stadium renovations". That is a cost that UM does not have. So they should have plenty to spend on other things and make those things elite.

I mean ****, TCU is a tiny ****ing school and they somehow have 160 million to drop on stadiums ****.

anyhow, I've already posted too much. I really just wanted to point out that the OP is a douche thinking that his post is the end of the discussion. That anyone that disagrees with his premise is both stupid and not a fan. I pointed out a few things just to show him that his "points" aren't ****...and she sure as **** has no ground to stand on to be such a condescending piece of ****.

WTF are you talking about? Miami doesn't have a stadium so they have money to spend on other things? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please tell me you're trolling here.

what?

No I did not say they don't have a stadium so they have to spend it on other things. I basically said a stadium is one thing they don't have to dump resources into, so they can invest money that schools typically dump into stadiums into other stuff...you''d think they could do more than maybe one drive for 30 million.

So I guess miami doesn't have any boosters and because of that Shalala can only do a fundraising drive for the football team a few times a decade? i know for a fact Miami does have football fanatical boosters and some very good ones. The "we don't have boosters" stuff is pretty weak. The admin would just rather hit those boosters up for other things, It appears. I don't know...

TCU had to do a booster drive to get 160 million for stadium upgrades. That is something miami doesn't have to do. TCU is a small *** private school and until recently in a small *** conference and (until recently) basically no tv money. I find it extremely hard to believe that miami's finances and boosters are weaker than TCU's

You arent this stupid.



just checked: TCU undergrad enrollment is around 8k vs Miami of 16K

Miami's undergrad is actually 10K. So we don't have that many more students.
Also TCU might have already owned the land they were going to build on, or land is much cheaper in that area, so they might not need as much money as Miami would. In fact, I'd assume their stadium is on campus, and that's a huge problem for us to get a stadium...that we have nowhere on campus to put it, so it would have to be off campus.
Also we have never tried raising money for the purpose of building a stadium, But I do know it would gain more support than trying to build an indoor practice facility. We only got 30M because that's in the range of $ we needed for what we were planning.you can't think we would only get 30M if we tried to raise for building an on campus stadium, it's a much more important facility, and would likely get a lot of donor support.

If we only owned 80 acres of land nearby campus. If only we developed said land that we held for DECADES. If only we made football more of a priority.

Hey we did own 80 acres of land nearby campus.

Hey that land is being developed for residences and wal-mart.

Hey we don't make football a priority.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZWqMN-H4ns

 

[Consigliere]

Maybe only 2 or 3 these schools in the list below have an ounce of the football history or tradition that Miami has. Almost all of them have **** all over Shalalalalala 30 million spending "spree"

the list below is a few years old. Many of these schools have engaged in more spending since then.

Arizona: In the midst of a $378 million north end zone expansion at Arizona Stadium that will add about 7,000 seats.

Arkansas: Recently broke ground on a new, $35 million football operations center.

Baylor: In beginning stages of building new stadium at estimated cost of $250 million.

Boise State: Recently broke ground on a new, $22 million football complex.

California: Completely renovating Memorial Stadium at an estimated cost of $321 million. As of April, the school had raised $35 million with a goal of $270 million in donations by summer 2013.

Florida State: Currently raising funds for new indoor practice facility, with hopes of breaking ground this fall.

Iowa: In phase one of a two-part, $57 million plan to build a new practice facility and operations building.

Kansas State: Has embarked on $75 million project to upgrade west side of Bill Snyder Family Stadium.

LSU: Recently approved $100 million expansion of Tiger Stadium, bringing capacity close to 100,000 seats.

Louisville: Has begun fundraising for a $7.5 million, 18,000-foot addition to its football complex.

Michigan State: Installing new $10 million scoreboard at Spartans Stadium that will be largest in the state.

Mississippi State: Expected to open new, $25 million football complex in January.

Nebraska: Finishing a $63.5 million expansion of the east side of Memorial Stadium that will add about 6,000 seats.

Oklahoma State: Construction underway on a $16 million indoor practice facility, plus new outdoor fields that will cost $3 million.

Ohio State: Spending $7 million for new scoreboard and improved sound system and other touches at Ohio Stadium.

Syracuse: Upgrading locker rooms and other team areas at a cost of $5 million.

Tennessee: In final stages of a $45 million new football complex that will contain 145,000 square feet.

TCU: Expected to complete $164 million expansion and renovation to Amon G. Carter Stadium in time for this year's season opener.

USC: Scheduled to open the $70 million, 110,000-square foot John McKay Center this summer; complex includes locker rooms, training areas, football offices and a two-story video board.

Utah: Coaches are working in trailers as a new, $30 million football complex is being built.

Virginia: Planning $13 million indoor practice facility.

Virginia Tech: Has announced plans to build a $20 million indoor practice facility.

Washington: Work is ongoing on a $250 million renovation of Husky Stadium.

Wisconsin: In beginning stages of an $86 million upgrade to locker rooms, weight training and academic areas at Camp Randall Stadium, which also got new turf this summer.

You're confusing the commitment of boosters/alumni vs the commitment of the school. Big difference.

All those campaigns are initiated by the school. How many campaigns have been initiated by UM for the football team?

The campaign that paid for the Hecht renovation.

The campaign that paid for the new practice fields.

The campaign that paid for the new training table program ($3M btw).

The campaign that paid for the new uniforms, that the recruits are going ape **** for.

$30MILLION.

http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2012/09/athletics-recreation-facilities.html

This 30 million is peanuts. This 30 million is long overdue.

THE CLOUD TOOK OUR MONEY! THE CLOUD MADE US LOSE!

 

[CyberCane]

A lot of you guys sound like what I would imagine a wife sounds like complaining about her husband who makes $50k a year not being able to buy the same house, kitchen upgrades, lake house, car, etc…as her friends who's husbands make $2MM+ a year.

It's almost perfectly analogous.

 

[dk72]

I hope Donna retires soon, her reign of terror has gone on far too long...Coker, Shannon, Golden, Fail, fail, fail

University Presidents don't hire coaches. So your post is a fail.

Coker was a last-minute hire after Butch left the team hanging, and he was also the unanimous choice by the players as well. There weren't many other options at the time of his hiring. Shannon at the time was considered a young, up-and-coming coach who also had ties to the University, so it was not a bad choice. Unfortunately he just didn't work out. As for Golden, calling him a failure at this point is just sheer ignorance. He may ultimately be, but he has not had a chance to prove it one way or the other yet.

 

[dk72]

I hope Donna retires soon, her reign of terror has gone on far too long...Coker, Shannon, Golden, Fail, fail, fail

She has stolen from the Golden Goose and given nothing back. Without the U's football success long before her arrival, the troll would never have been able to expand her empire.

Nonsense, and complete ignorance about how a university is run.

 

[CyberCane]

I hope Donna retires soon, her reign of terror has gone on far too long...Coker, Shannon, Golden, Fail, fail, fail

University Presidents don't hire coaches. So your post is a fail.

Coker was a last-minute hire after Butch left the team hanging, and he was also the unanimous choice by the players as well. There weren't many other options at the time of his hiring. Shannon at the time was considered a young, up-and-coming coach who also had ties to the University, so it was not a bad choice. Unfortunately he just didn't work out. As for Golden, calling him a failure at this point is just sheer ignorance. He may ultimately be, but he has not had a chance to prove it one way or the other yet.

Agree with everything you said with a few exceptions. You don't hire the CFO of a failing company. In addition, you certainly don't weigh into account what the players want. They (players) are making an emotion-based decision, not one that is built on a foundation of fact, logic, and business acumen.
In addition, Golden hasn't been a failure to this point, but he also hasn't been a success. That said, I give him the benefit of the doubt because as big a Miami as I am, if I had a son he wouldn't have gone to Miami to play football during the investigation--too many uncertainties. Coach D is the other issue. Don't hire someone you can't fire. If the defense doesn't show dramatic improvement this year and Coach D isn't gone, then it's Golden's ***.