The U Administration's commitment to Miami football...

[dk72]

I hope Donna retires soon, her reign of terror has gone on far too long...Coker, Shannon, Golden, Fail, fail, fail

University Presidents don't hire coaches. So your post is a fail.

Coker was a last-minute hire after Butch left the team hanging, and he was also the unanimous choice by the players as well. There weren't many other options at the time of his hiring. Shannon at the time was considered a young, up-and-coming coach who also had ties to the University, so it was not a bad choice. Unfortunately he just didn't work out. As for Golden, calling him a failure at this point is just sheer ignorance. He may ultimately be, but he has not had a chance to prove it one way or the other yet.

Agree with everything you said with a few exceptions. You don't hire the CFO of a failing company. In addition, you certainly don't weigh into account what the players want. They (players) are making an emotion-based decision, not one that is built on a foundation of fact, logic, and business acumen.
In addition, Golden hasn't been a failure to this point, but he also hasn't been a success. That said, I give him the benefit of the doubt because as big a Miami as I am, if I had a son he wouldn't have gone to Miami to play football during the investigation--too many uncertainties. Coach D is the other issue. Don't hire someone you can't fire. If the defense doesn't show dramatic improvement this year and Coach D isn't gone, then it's Golden's ***.

Who are you equating to the "CFO of a failing company?" At the time Coker was the O-coordinator of a very successful team...successful enough for Butch to be a highly-sought after coach by the NFL. While he wasn't considered a top candidate, again, it was already late in the offseason and most major coaching hires had already been made, so Coker was their choice (I personally wanted Schiano but Coker was just as qualified). Shannon while coaching for a team on the decline, was also widely considered to be a top defensive coach in the nation and an up-and-comer overall as a coach. So while his "company" was failing, he was actually the head of division within that company that was doing quite well. Looking at Shannon in hindsight it's easy to bash him, but at the time of his hire the view of him here and nationally was very different.

As for Golden, I agree he can't be called a success at this time, but again, way too early to call him a failure. This will be his first season with his own players and anything even resembling depth on the team. Meanwhile, he's done a very good job in other areas of managing the team. D'Onofrio, I'm not a fan of so far, but we'll get a better feel now that he's got some actual players. While I disagree with he and Golden sticking with a defensive scheme that didn't fit the existing talent, I can at least understand their thought process. They were looking to establish the type of defense and then recruit into it. Basically working for the future instead of the "win what we can now" mentality knowing that with the lack of talent and the NCAA mess, we aren't going to be winning any championships anyway. Again, I disagree with that but I do understand it. Now it's time for them to move the team forward, or yes, lose their jobs.

 

[Gatorhater]

I hope Donna retires soon, her reign of terror has gone on far too long...Coker, Shannon, Golden, Fail, fail, fail

University Presidents don't hire coaches. So your post is a fail.

Coker was a last-minute hire after Butch left the team hanging, and he was also the unanimous choice by the players as well. There weren't many other options at the time of his hiring. Shannon at the time was considered a young, up-and-coming coach who also had ties to the University, so it was not a bad choice. Unfortunately he just didn't work out. As for Golden, calling him a failure at this point is just sheer ignorance. He may ultimately be, but he has not had a chance to prove it one way or the other yet.

Listen, the captain is always responsible. When she took the wheel, we were on verge of NC and back to back NC games with more talent than any NFL team. Since she has been at the helm, we have been ever increasing disaster. It falls on her, period. NOW, this is not new. Howard wanted an on campus stadium. Administration told him he would have to raise the money. He said fine. As the donors started to line up, administration said, wait a minute, it can't be donors who would otherwise give to other projects, THEY MUST BE NEW DONORS! Now I know Howard have medical care issues for his son and that is often seen as his reason for leaving, but I am willing to bet that it was the stadium thing that lost us that great coach. Notice FAU got their stadium.

Our administration has always sucked and Donna is another in long line of jackass Presidents. She might be the worst, but that would be a tough call. She might be the best, but the bar is very, very low. Take your pick but the administration has never, never, been worthy of the football, or even the baseball team.(I remember Fraser funding the team without university $$ at one time.)

 

[Consigliere]

A lot of you guys sound like what I would imagine a wife sounds like complaining about her husband who just raised 2.5 Billion since 2001 and not being able to buy and upgrade the sports program, upgrades, etc…as her friends who's other husbands who prioritize the sports program to a higher level.

It's almost perfectly analogous.

Now that's more realistic.

 

[Consigliere]

I hope Donna retires soon, her reign of terror has gone on far too long...Coker, Shannon, Golden, Fail, fail, fail

University Presidents don't hire coaches. So your post is a fail.

Coker was a last-minute hire after Butch left the team hanging, and he was also the unanimous choice by the players as well. There weren't many other options at the time of his hiring. Shannon at the time was considered a young, up-and-coming coach who also had ties to the University, so it was not a bad choice. Unfortunately he just didn't work out. As for Golden, calling him a failure at this point is just sheer ignorance. He may ultimately be, but he has not had a chance to prove it one way or the other yet.

President hires the AD who hires the Coaches. CEO oversees all.

Next

 

[De Pinga]

Consigliere throwing haymakers

 

[dk72]

I hope Donna retires soon, her reign of terror has gone on far too long...Coker, Shannon, Golden, Fail, fail, fail

University Presidents don't hire coaches. So your post is a fail.

Coker was a last-minute hire after Butch left the team hanging, and he was also the unanimous choice by the players as well. There weren't many other options at the time of his hiring. Shannon at the time was considered a young, up-and-coming coach who also had ties to the University, so it was not a bad choice. Unfortunately he just didn't work out. As for Golden, calling him a failure at this point is just sheer ignorance. He may ultimately be, but he has not had a chance to prove it one way or the other yet.

President hires the AD who hires the Coaches. CEO oversees all.

Next

So what? Her job is to run the university as a whole. As for the ignorant comments that she is not supportive of the football program, that simply has no basis in reality.

 

[Consigliere]

So what? Her job is to run the university as a whole. As for the ignorant comments that she is not supportive of the football program, that simply has no basis in reality.

I completely understand that she is NOT GM of a sports franchise but president of the WHOLE UNIVERSITY.

As President she hired the AD (or ADs) and in doing so she hired the coaches that they hired (regardless of whether she had anything to do with the specific hiring).

We're going to have to disagree about the level of support she has given the football program.

 

[BigCaneAl]

Sure it can be easy for some schools....but it is really hard when you don't even try.

I don't think it is fair to "knock out the stadium renovations". That is a cost that UM does not have. So they should have plenty to spend on other things and make those things elite.

I mean ****, TCU is a tiny ****ing school and they somehow have 160 million to drop on stadiums ****.

anyhow, I've already posted too much. I really just wanted to point out that the OP is a douche thinking that his post is the end of the discussion. That anyone that disagrees with his premise is both stupid and not a fan. I pointed out a few things just to show him that his "points" aren't ****...and she sure as **** has no ground to stand on to be such a condescending piece of ****.

WTF are you talking about? Miami doesn't have a stadium so they have money to spend on other things? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please tell me you're trolling here.

what?

No I did not say they don't have a stadium so they have to spend it on other things. I basically said a stadium is one thing they don't have to dump resources into, so they can invest money that schools typically dump into stadiums into other stuff...you''d think they could do more than maybe one drive for 30 million.

So I guess miami doesn't have any boosters and because of that Shalala can only do a fundraising drive for the football team a few times a decade? i know for a fact Miami does have football fanatical boosters and some very good ones. The "we don't have boosters" stuff is pretty weak. The admin would just rather hit those boosters up for other things, It appears. I don't know...

TCU had to do a booster drive to get 160 million for stadium upgrades. That is something miami doesn't have to do. TCU is a small *** private school and until recently in a small *** conference and (until recently) basically no tv money. I find it extremely hard to believe that miami's finances and boosters are weaker than TCU's

You arent this stupid.



just checked: TCU undergrad enrollment is around 8k vs Miami of 16K

Miami's undergrad is actually 10K. So we don't have that many more students.
Also TCU might have already owned the land they were going to build on, or land is much cheaper in that area, so they might not need as much money as Miami would. In fact, I'd assume their stadium is on campus, and that's a huge problem for us to get a stadium...that we have nowhere on campus to put it, so it would have to be off campus.
Also we have never tried raising money for the purpose of building a stadium, But I do know it would gain more support than trying to build an indoor practice facility. We only got 30M because that's in the range of $ we needed for what we were planning.you can't think we would only get 30M if we tried to raise for building an on campus stadium, it's a much more important facility, and would likely get a lot of donor support.

If we only owned 80 acres of land nearby campus. If only we developed said land that we held for DECADES. If only we made football more of a priority.

Hey we did own 80 acres of land nearby campus.

Hey that land is being developed for residences and wal-mart.

Hey we don't make football a priority.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZWqMN-H4ns

Well, I'm fine with most of what you have posted.....but, that land was not "nearby"

 

[CyberCane]

I hope Donna retires soon, her reign of terror has gone on far too long...Coker, Shannon, Golden, Fail, fail, fail

University Presidents don't hire coaches. So your post is a fail.

Coker was a last-minute hire after Butch left the team hanging, and he was also the unanimous choice by the players as well. There weren't many other options at the time of his hiring. Shannon at the time was considered a young, up-and-coming coach who also had ties to the University, so it was not a bad choice. Unfortunately he just didn't work out. As for Golden, calling him a failure at this point is just sheer ignorance. He may ultimately be, but he has not had a chance to prove it one way or the other yet.

Agree with everything you said with a few exceptions. You don't hire the CFO of a failing company. In addition, you certainly don't weigh into account what the players want. They (players) are making an emotion-based decision, not one that is built on a foundation of fact, logic, and business acumen.
In addition, Golden hasn't been a failure to this point, but he also hasn't been a success. That said, I give him the benefit of the doubt because as big a Miami as I am, if I had a son he wouldn't have gone to Miami to play football during the investigation--too many uncertainties. Coach D is the other issue. Don't hire someone you can't fire. If the defense doesn't show dramatic improvement this year and Coach D isn't gone, then it's Golden's ***.

Who are you equating to the "CFO of a failing company?" At the time Coker was the O-coordinator of a very successful team...successful enough for Butch to be a highly-sought after coach by the NFL. While he wasn't considered a top candidate, again, it was already late in the offseason and most major coaching hires had already been made, so Coker was their choice (I personally wanted Schiano but Coker was just as qualified). Shannon while coaching for a team on the decline, was also widely considered to be a top defensive coach in the nation and an up-and-comer overall as a coach. So while his "company" was failing, he was actually the head of division within that company that was doing quite well. Looking at Shannon in hindsight it's easy to bash him, but at the time of his hire the view of him here and nationally was very different.

As for Golden, I agree he can't be called a success at this time, but again, way too early to call him a failure. This will be his first season with his own players and anything even resembling depth on the team. Meanwhile, he's done a very good job in other areas of managing the team. D'Onofrio, I'm not a fan of so far, but we'll get a better feel now that he's got some actual players. While I disagree with he and Golden sticking with a defensive scheme that didn't fit the existing talent, I can at least understand their thought process. They were looking to establish the type of defense and then recruit into it. Basically working for the future instead of the "win what we can now" mentality knowing that with the lack of talent and the NCAA mess, we aren't going to be winning any championships anyway. Again, I disagree with that but I do understand it. Now it's time for them to move the team forward, or yes, lose their jobs.

Was referring to Shannon. I wouldn't hire a guy that has zero head coaching experience and was the #2 guy. The fact that the players wanted him is completely irrelevant. They made that mistake with Coker and did it again with Shannon.

The major area that Golden has contradicted himself based on what you said is, "Players not plays". That was the most exciting thing he said upon arrival. Obviously, the thought there is that they are great talent evaluators and going to put players in a position to excel based on their strengths/weaknesses and not to try fit a square in a round hole. That hasn't happened.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

As president of the university, she has done wonders for the school. Which is her job. It sounds pretty petty of us to attack her for our football team struggles. Being frustrated at the AD for not making better hires, sure. Being angry at the fanbase for being so embarrassing that it hurts recruiting is also fair.

 

[dk72]

So what? Her job is to run the university as a whole. As for the ignorant comments that she is not supportive of the football program, that simply has no basis in reality.

I completely understand that she is NOT GM of a sports franchise but president of the WHOLE UNIVERSITY.

As President she hired the AD (or ADs) and in doing so she hired the coaches that they hired (regardless of whether she had anything to do with the specific hiring).

We're going to have to disagree about the level of support she has given the football program.

..and given the situations at the time of each hiring, there was nothing wrong with the hires. Like I said before, Coker was hired when Butch left last minute after promising to stay. By then pretty much all of the major coaching candidates had already found other jobs. Shannon was considered a top DC and an up and coming coach, and given his UM ties, it wasn't a bad choice at the time. Unfortunately he turned out to be a terrible head coach. Golden was widely considered a young up and coming coach (and as far as I'm concerned the verdict on his is far from decided). So it's not like she hired ADs that made terrible decisions in hiring coaches.

 

[dk72]

I hope Donna retires soon, her reign of terror has gone on far too long...Coker, Shannon, Golden, Fail, fail, fail

University Presidents don't hire coaches. So your post is a fail.

Coker was a last-minute hire after Butch left the team hanging, and he was also the unanimous choice by the players as well. There weren't many other options at the time of his hiring. Shannon at the time was considered a young, up-and-coming coach who also had ties to the University, so it was not a bad choice. Unfortunately he just didn't work out. As for Golden, calling him a failure at this point is just sheer ignorance. He may ultimately be, but he has not had a chance to prove it one way or the other yet.

Agree with everything you said with a few exceptions. You don't hire the CFO of a failing company. In addition, you certainly don't weigh into account what the players want. They (players) are making an emotion-based decision, not one that is built on a foundation of fact, logic, and business acumen.
In addition, Golden hasn't been a failure to this point, but he also hasn't been a success. That said, I give him the benefit of the doubt because as big a Miami as I am, if I had a son he wouldn't have gone to Miami to play football during the investigation--too many uncertainties. Coach D is the other issue. Don't hire someone you can't fire. If the defense doesn't show dramatic improvement this year and Coach D isn't gone, then it's Golden's ***.

Who are you equating to the "CFO of a failing company?" At the time Coker was the O-coordinator of a very successful team...successful enough for Butch to be a highly-sought after coach by the NFL. While he wasn't considered a top candidate, again, it was already late in the offseason and most major coaching hires had already been made, so Coker was their choice (I personally wanted Schiano but Coker was just as qualified). Shannon while coaching for a team on the decline, was also widely considered to be a top defensive coach in the nation and an up-and-comer overall as a coach. So while his "company" was failing, he was actually the head of division within that company that was doing quite well. Looking at Shannon in hindsight it's easy to bash him, but at the time of his hire the view of him here and nationally was very different.

As for Golden, I agree he can't be called a success at this time, but again, way too early to call him a failure. This will be his first season with his own players and anything even resembling depth on the team. Meanwhile, he's done a very good job in other areas of managing the team. D'Onofrio, I'm not a fan of so far, but we'll get a better feel now that he's got some actual players. While I disagree with he and Golden sticking with a defensive scheme that didn't fit the existing talent, I can at least understand their thought process. They were looking to establish the type of defense and then recruit into it. Basically working for the future instead of the "win what we can now" mentality knowing that with the lack of talent and the NCAA mess, we aren't going to be winning any championships anyway. Again, I disagree with that but I do understand it. Now it's time for them to move the team forward, or yes, lose their jobs.

Was referring to Shannon. I wouldn't hire a guy that has zero head coaching experience and was the #2 guy. The fact that the players wanted him is completely irrelevant. They made that mistake with Coker and did it again with Shannon.

The major area that Golden has contradicted himself based on what you said is, "Players not plays". That was the most exciting thing he said upon arrival. Obviously, the thought there is that they are great talent evaluators and going to put players in a position to excel based on their strengths/weaknesses and not to try fit a square in a round hole. That hasn't happened.

MANY major, and successful, programs hire head coaches that didn't have head coaching experience. Hiring a top coordinator as a head coach is common practice. At the time Shannon was considered a top coordinator. Jimbo Fisher was a coordinator before FSU gave him the HC position. Charlie Strong was a coordinator before Louisville hired him as HC. There are many such examples out there. Again, bashing the administration in hindsight isn't quite fair, because at the time, it was not a bad hire.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

Besides, would you build us a stadium? We barely filled the Orange Bowl.

 

[CyberCane]

A lot of you guys sound like what I would imagine a wife sounds like complaining about her husband who just raised 2.5 Billion since 2001 and not being able to buy and upgrade the sports program, upgrades, etc…as her friends who's other husbands who prioritize the sports program to a higher level.

It's almost perfectly analogous.

Now that's more realistic.

You do realize that people/companies/trusts/foundations give money for very specific purposes, right? Like the $100 million gift from the Diabetes Research Institute Foundation? Your acting like people just write checks made payable to the University of Miami and tell them to spend it as they see fit. They are lawyers and contracts involved…

 

[CyberCane]

University Presidents don't hire coaches. So your post is a fail.

Coker was a last-minute hire after Butch left the team hanging, and he was also the unanimous choice by the players as well. There weren't many other options at the time of his hiring. Shannon at the time was considered a young, up-and-coming coach who also had ties to the University, so it was not a bad choice. Unfortunately he just didn't work out. As for Golden, calling him a failure at this point is just sheer ignorance. He may ultimately be, but he has not had a chance to prove it one way or the other yet.

Agree with everything you said with a few exceptions. You don't hire the CFO of a failing company. In addition, you certainly don't weigh into account what the players want. They (players) are making an emotion-based decision, not one that is built on a foundation of fact, logic, and business acumen.
In addition, Golden hasn't been a failure to this point, but he also hasn't been a success. That said, I give him the benefit of the doubt because as big a Miami as I am, if I had a son he wouldn't have gone to Miami to play football during the investigation--too many uncertainties. Coach D is the other issue. Don't hire someone you can't fire. If the defense doesn't show dramatic improvement this year and Coach D isn't gone, then it's Golden's ***.

Who are you equating to the "CFO of a failing company?" At the time Coker was the O-coordinator of a very successful team...successful enough for Butch to be a highly-sought after coach by the NFL. While he wasn't considered a top candidate, again, it was already late in the offseason and most major coaching hires had already been made, so Coker was their choice (I personally wanted Schiano but Coker was just as qualified). Shannon while coaching for a team on the decline, was also widely considered to be a top defensive coach in the nation and an up-and-comer overall as a coach. So while his "company" was failing, he was actually the head of division within that company that was doing quite well. Looking at Shannon in hindsight it's easy to bash him, but at the time of his hire the view of him here and nationally was very different.

As for Golden, I agree he can't be called a success at this time, but again, way too early to call him a failure. This will be his first season with his own players and anything even resembling depth on the team. Meanwhile, he's done a very good job in other areas of managing the team. D'Onofrio, I'm not a fan of so far, but we'll get a better feel now that he's got some actual players. While I disagree with he and Golden sticking with a defensive scheme that didn't fit the existing talent, I can at least understand their thought process. They were looking to establish the type of defense and then recruit into it. Basically working for the future instead of the "win what we can now" mentality knowing that with the lack of talent and the NCAA mess, we aren't going to be winning any championships anyway. Again, I disagree with that but I do understand it. Now it's time for them to move the team forward, or yes, lose their jobs.

Was referring to Shannon. I wouldn't hire a guy that has zero head coaching experience and was the #2 guy. The fact that the players wanted him is completely irrelevant. They made that mistake with Coker and did it again with Shannon.

The major area that Golden has contradicted himself based on what you said is, "Players not plays". That was the most exciting thing he said upon arrival. Obviously, the thought there is that they are great talent evaluators and going to put players in a position to excel based on their strengths/weaknesses and not to try fit a square in a round hole. That hasn't happened.

MANY major, and successful, programs hire head coaches that didn't have head coaching experience. Hiring a top coordinator as a head coach is common practice. At the time Shannon was considered a top coordinator. Jimbo Fisher was a coordinator before FSU gave him the HC position. Charlie Strong was a coordinator before Louisville hired him as HC. There are many such examples out there. Again, bashing the administration in hindsight isn't quite fair, because at the time, it was not a bad hire.

Name all of the successful teams that hired the OC/DC from the same team as the head coach they just fired. Of course coordinators get hired for jobs all the time--good lord.
I'll patiently await your response as you do the research it takes to find them.

 

[Consigliere]

As president of the university, she has done wonders for the school. Which is her job. It sounds pretty petty of us to attack her for our football team struggles. Being frustrated at the AD for not making better hires, sure. Being angry at the fanbase for being so embarrassing that it hurts recruiting is also fair.

Listen. I'm alumni and I'm not disputing what she has done for the school academically. In fact I applaud that effort.

But you do realize she hires the AD (or ADs) who then hire the coaches. She essentially controls the hiring regardless of the amount of DIRECT impact involved. You got to think outside the box a little. The CEO is responsible for all.

In addition, I do take issue with the amount of support the ADMIN has done for the sports program.

I don't understand your last sentence.

 

[dk72]

Agree with everything you said with a few exceptions. You don't hire the CFO of a failing company. In addition, you certainly don't weigh into account what the players want. They (players) are making an emotion-based decision, not one that is built on a foundation of fact, logic, and business acumen.
In addition, Golden hasn't been a failure to this point, but he also hasn't been a success. That said, I give him the benefit of the doubt because as big a Miami as I am, if I had a son he wouldn't have gone to Miami to play football during the investigation--too many uncertainties. Coach D is the other issue. Don't hire someone you can't fire. If the defense doesn't show dramatic improvement this year and Coach D isn't gone, then it's Golden's ***.

Who are you equating to the "CFO of a failing company?" At the time Coker was the O-coordinator of a very successful team...successful enough for Butch to be a highly-sought after coach by the NFL. While he wasn't considered a top candidate, again, it was already late in the offseason and most major coaching hires had already been made, so Coker was their choice (I personally wanted Schiano but Coker was just as qualified). Shannon while coaching for a team on the decline, was also widely considered to be a top defensive coach in the nation and an up-and-comer overall as a coach. So while his "company" was failing, he was actually the head of division within that company that was doing quite well. Looking at Shannon in hindsight it's easy to bash him, but at the time of his hire the view of him here and nationally was very different.

As for Golden, I agree he can't be called a success at this time, but again, way too early to call him a failure. This will be his first season with his own players and anything even resembling depth on the team. Meanwhile, he's done a very good job in other areas of managing the team. D'Onofrio, I'm not a fan of so far, but we'll get a better feel now that he's got some actual players. While I disagree with he and Golden sticking with a defensive scheme that didn't fit the existing talent, I can at least understand their thought process. They were looking to establish the type of defense and then recruit into it. Basically working for the future instead of the "win what we can now" mentality knowing that with the lack of talent and the NCAA mess, we aren't going to be winning any championships anyway. Again, I disagree with that but I do understand it. Now it's time for them to move the team forward, or yes, lose their jobs.

Was referring to Shannon. I wouldn't hire a guy that has zero head coaching experience and was the #2 guy. The fact that the players wanted him is completely irrelevant. They made that mistake with Coker and did it again with Shannon.

The major area that Golden has contradicted himself based on what you said is, "Players not plays". That was the most exciting thing he said upon arrival. Obviously, the thought there is that they are great talent evaluators and going to put players in a position to excel based on their strengths/weaknesses and not to try fit a square in a round hole. That hasn't happened.

MANY major, and successful, programs hire head coaches that didn't have head coaching experience. Hiring a top coordinator as a head coach is common practice. At the time Shannon was considered a top coordinator. Jimbo Fisher was a coordinator before FSU gave him the HC position. Charlie Strong was a coordinator before Louisville hired him as HC. There are many such examples out there. Again, bashing the administration in hindsight isn't quite fair, because at the time, it was not a bad hire.

Name all of the successful teams that hired the OC/DC from the same team as the head coach they just fired. Of course coordinators get hired for jobs all the time--good lord.
I'll patiently await your response as you do the research it takes to find them.

Name how often a team with a fired head coach also has a coordinator that is widely considered one of the top coordinators and an up-and-coming coach? Again, hindsight is great, but at the time Shannon was a very highly-regarded coach.

 

[Consigliere]

Besides, would you build us a stadium? We barely filled the Orange Bowl.

Right because that is the only appropriate response to build a X Thousand Stadium. How about a 45-50K stadium?

 

[NMB Cane]

This is a really simple argument. What measurable success have we seen on the field in over a decade? The process is broken and it's systemic. It starts at the top. She inherited a great program and whatever her process is - it's failed for over a decade.

 

[CyberCane]

Who are you equating to the "CFO of a failing company?" At the time Coker was the O-coordinator of a very successful team...successful enough for Butch to be a highly-sought after coach by the NFL. While he wasn't considered a top candidate, again, it was already late in the offseason and most major coaching hires had already been made, so Coker was their choice (I personally wanted Schiano but Coker was just as qualified). Shannon while coaching for a team on the decline, was also widely considered to be a top defensive coach in the nation and an up-and-comer overall as a coach. So while his "company" was failing, he was actually the head of division within that company that was doing quite well. Looking at Shannon in hindsight it's easy to bash him, but at the time of his hire the view of him here and nationally was very different.

As for Golden, I agree he can't be called a success at this time, but again, way too early to call him a failure. This will be his first season with his own players and anything even resembling depth on the team. Meanwhile, he's done a very good job in other areas of managing the team. D'Onofrio, I'm not a fan of so far, but we'll get a better feel now that he's got some actual players. While I disagree with he and Golden sticking with a defensive scheme that didn't fit the existing talent, I can at least understand their thought process. They were looking to establish the type of defense and then recruit into it. Basically working for the future instead of the "win what we can now" mentality knowing that with the lack of talent and the NCAA mess, we aren't going to be winning any championships anyway. Again, I disagree with that but I do understand it. Now it's time for them to move the team forward, or yes, lose their jobs.

Was referring to Shannon. I wouldn't hire a guy that has zero head coaching experience and was the #2 guy. The fact that the players wanted him is completely irrelevant. They made that mistake with Coker and did it again with Shannon.

The major area that Golden has contradicted himself based on what you said is, "Players not plays". That was the most exciting thing he said upon arrival. Obviously, the thought there is that they are great talent evaluators and going to put players in a position to excel based on their strengths/weaknesses and not to try fit a square in a round hole. That hasn't happened.

MANY major, and successful, programs hire head coaches that didn't have head coaching experience. Hiring a top coordinator as a head coach is common practice. At the time Shannon was considered a top coordinator. Jimbo Fisher was a coordinator before FSU gave him the HC position. Charlie Strong was a coordinator before Louisville hired him as HC. There are many such examples out there. Again, bashing the administration in hindsight isn't quite fair, because at the time, it was not a bad hire.

Name all of the successful teams that hired the OC/DC from the same team as the head coach they just fired. Of course coordinators get hired for jobs all the time--good lord.
I'll patiently await your response as you do the research it takes to find them.

Name how often a team with a fired head coach also has a coordinator that is widely considered one of the top coordinators and an up-and-coming coach? Again, hindsight is great, but at the time Shannon was a very highly-regarded coach.

Didn't think you could name any. We did it two hires in a row.