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Official The OC Candidates Thread 2.0

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Lol y’all really think the HC who got blasted by MTSU was going to make a great decision at OC? Y’all been on this site way too long to think otherwise
 
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calinative umstudent said:
Because it’s really good and has had a bunch of quality coaches pass through

So far Sean McVay has had a staff of:
Matt Lafleur - HC Packers
Zac Taylor - HC Bengals
Kevin O’Connell - HC Vikings
Shane Waldron - Seahawks OC
Wes Phillips - Vikings OC
Jedd Fisch - HC Arizona

And that’s just guys that have been promoted offensively.
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On the NFL level. That offense isn't exactly sweeping through college. The offense has also changed depending on personnel. Aaron Rodgers isn't running what Goff was. Stafford is doing things differently than Cousins. None of those guys are college OCs currently and Jedd Fisch was a coordinator and NFL OC before he got hired by McVay.
 
407cane said:
i mean the stats speak for itself right?

he's making good money, i don't have any soft spot for failed OC coaches making north of 500k per year
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Stats only tell part of the story. Lot of different factors at hand. Football outsiders isn't the end all be all, just because a coach doesn't grade out well with them doesn't mean they are a bad coach, lots of different variables. Like for instance when he called plays at West Virginia his QB was Clint Trickett and he improved a ton his final season with Dawson. At Southern miss he didn't really have a QB, at Kentucky he ran what Mark Stoops wanted him to run. The only time he really had a legit QB was at Houston with Tune and the last two years Tune had 77 Total TDs and almost 8000 total yards.
 
ludwig makes 1.25 million at utah which was very surprising to learn

would he leave that to come here with cam rising coming back and the fact that he's from utah? idk
 
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AJCane said:
Best case scenario:
1) Andy Ludwig (The Hailest of Mary’s)
2) Seth Littrell
3) Kevin Johns

If it’s not one of those three then I’d be concerned…
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Mackmiller974 said:
Stats only tell part of the story. Lot of different factors at hand. Football outsiders isn't the end all be all, just because a coach doesn't grade out well with them doesn't mean they are a bad coach, lots of different variables. Like for instance when he called plays at West Virginia his QB was Clint Trickett and he improved a ton his final season with Dawson. At Southern miss he didn't really have a QB, at Kentucky he ran what Mark Stoops wanted him to run. The only time he really had a legit QB was at Houston with Tune and the last two years Tune had 77 Total TDs and almost 8000 total yards.
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At Southern Miss he had Nick Mullens as a senior and returning conference player of the year. The offense and Mullens was worse. Growing pains because of the change in system? Possibly. But Dawson must be the unluckiest coach in the world to have all these things going against him to lead to below average results if he isn't the problem.
 
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Mackmiller974 said:
Stats only tell part of the story. Lot of different factors at hand. Football outsiders isn't the end all be all, just because a coach doesn't grade out well with them doesn't mean they are a bad coach, lots of different variables. Like for instance when he called plays at West Virginia his QB was Clint Trickett and he improved a ton his final season with Dawson. At Southern miss he didn't really have a QB, at Kentucky he ran what Mark Stoops wanted him to run. The only time he really had a legit QB was at Houston with Tune and the last two years Tune had 77 Total TDs and almost 8000 total yards.
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I don’t care who your QB is. If you want to be the OC of my team, you can’t have the 123rd ranked offense. Bad QB play can’t be all it takes for you to have literally the exact same results I would have at OC.
 
TimeBum said:
10-0? Maybe not. But he went on a 7-0 run in 2013, including a win over #12 Florida. Miami then got flattened by a FSU team that ended up winning the national championship. And don't fool yourself into thinking that 10-0 run was dominant- it took miracles to beat GT and FSU, and we almost lost to a 1 win UNC team.
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Golden’s magical 7-0 run in 2013 had some games that could have easily gone the other way, too. We all remember having to rely on an improbable performance by Dallas Crawford to eke out a win at UNC. The win over the Crocs required a crazy number of turnovers to squeak out. And then there was the 3 point win over Wake. I know you don’t believe any of that was “dominant” either.

Golden wasn’t capable. Richt was. And he was capable in a way that Golden never could be. Unfortunately, he was also on the downside of his career and was in the middle of developing very serious health issues.
 
Ghandi said:
So that’s the reason you don’t hire Dawson.

He’s a known Neanderthal appeaser.
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I mean if that Neanderthal is the reason you’re getting paychecks…

It should also be said that UK hasn’t had a legit QB until now with Will Levis. The last guy with some talent was Andre Woodson.
 
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407cane said:
and now with all those people gone this year the rams had the last ranked offense in the entire nfl

granted injuries...but still, very very bad

so hopefully he's not too impressed with anyone that current staff
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It was all injuries… offensive line bad a different starter every week
 
Cribby said:
John’s is the one I heard in coaching circles , that was a couple weeks ago. Littrell’s name has been thrown around the last week but I never took it too serious. Some folks think it’s an option , just not my end. I’d be thrilled with either.
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Any interest from Johns side? Or just Miami reached out to him?
 
fincane said:
At Southern Miss he had Nick Mullens as a senior and returning conference player of the year. The offense and Mullens was worse. Growing pains because of the change in system? Possibly. But Dawson must be the unluckiest coach in the world to have all these things going against him to lead to below average results if he isn't the problem.
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Mullens had similar seasons

2015
41TDs 12INTs in 14 games

2016
28 total TDs 11 INTs in 11 games

Also Southern Miss lost 3 of it's top weapons from 2015.

Jalen Richard 1400 Total Yards 16TDs
Michael Thomas 1400 yards 14TDs
Casey Martin 925 Yards 7TDs.

So yes variables
 
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mossmadness said:
I don’t care who your QB is. If you want to be the OC of my team, you can’t have the 123rd ranked offense. Bad QB play can’t be all it takes for you to have literally the exact same results I would have at OC.
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Man you really are into football outsiders lol
 
mossmadness said:
lets pretend what you’re saying is correct.

He was given the 41st ranked offense was a superstar at QB that was now an upperclassman, and did nothing with it?

And yeah, I think context is always helpful.

I think at some point it becomes silly. Like if there’s always an excuse, and that excuse is always outside of your control.

But I think starting with a baseline metric is good. And seeing if there are things might explain outliers is helpful.
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Pretending? This is verifiable fact. Taggert called the plays throughout his tenure at Oregon. It is known, Khaleesi.

And your second paragraph as much spin as it is context. Superstar or not, he did just as well with him as Taggert did in Arroyo's first year calling plays, then the offense impoved from 41st to 19th his next season.

Context is great. But when context is provided in some instances and ignored in others, you run the risk of appearing biased.

As far as F+, let us not ignore how heavily it skews in favor of talented teams. It's components (FEI and SP+) are essentially designed to predict scoring advantage and efficiency against an "average opponent" (whatever subjective ranking methodology that entails) on a neutral field. But if you are a below average college football team, talent wise, it should come as no surprise that your team isn't ranked very high in F+.

This makes it a less-than-stellar metric for comparing coaching resumes, especially G5 coaches. And I suspect there are at least a dozen coaches with teams ranked in the bottom half of DF+ who could show up at UGA tomorrow and field a top 20 DF+ 2023 season while chasing co-eds.

Comparing stats within the conference utilizing only conference games, looking at how teams performed before/during/after a coach arrives, and using advanced stats like @Lance Roffers does to determine how a coach performed compared to his opponents' average performance on the season in critical categories (like YPP and PPG) is far more persuasive to me.

But to each his own.
 
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