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Official The OC Candidates Thread 2.0

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Memnon said:
I wouldn’t characterize it as infinite bags, UGA certainly did have big bags & paid recruits during his tenure, but it wasn’t anywhere close to what they’re doing now with Kirby.

But the fact that Richt rolled out of bed with half a heart valve & managed to have 2 winning seasons with mostly Folden recruits does not make Folden out to be some excellent talent evaluator, it simply highlights how bad of a Coach he was that a dude **** near on his Deathbed could have more winning seasons than him in just 2 years than he did in 5.

Folden didn’t win sh*t at Temple & he didn’t win sh*t at Miami either, whatever his talent eval skills were didn’t help him one bit at Miami.

Richt for whatever his shortcomings were is still the most successful Coach we had here in 8 years.
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Bro, Golden was a better talent evaluator at UM. Compare a roster with all Richt recruits at UM to a roster of Al Golden recruits at UM and tell me you'd actually pick the Richt roster. You know you wouldn't. Did Golden get the most out of that talent? Not even close. He still gets credit for finding the talent in my book, though. Look at how many Golden recruits went onto the NFL- quite a few of them are still in the league. Again, I'm not saying he was a better overall recruiter and evaluator than Richt. I am saying he was a better recruiter and evaluator AT UM than Richt was at UM.

Richt was a far, far superior coach. There is no denying that. Golden was married to his DC. And even if he had fired D'No, the next guy would still have run Golden's Al Groh-lite 3-4 Defense that was a terrible fit. Richt success should have given UM fans some semblance of hope- a coach who was knocking on death's door still managed to win 10 games simply by being competent and a quality gameday coach.
 
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
You've also mentioned Littrell in passing. Is he still a possibility in your opinion or are you not optimistic that he's in consideration?
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John’s is the one I heard in coaching circles , that was a couple weeks ago. Littrell’s name has been thrown around the last week but I never took it too serious. Some folks think it’s an option , just not my end. I’d be thrilled with either.
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
Show me the 4- 1st round QBs Littrell put into the NFL....Plus Yost played against tougher competition the majority of his time.
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Can’t speak on the qbs. But the competition is relatively similar in the years shown. You do this thing where you are right and everyone and everything that disagrees with you is wrong. I’m not sure why you can’t see Yost as a good OC and Littrell as a good OC.
 
Cribby said:
I never took it too serious. He doesn’t seem like the type of guy to leave Utah for Miami. I’d be thrilled with the hire though.
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Yeah, much more likely to jump from a Mormon area to a Catholic area, as opposed to a heathen town like Miami...
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Correct, and that's the point.

To turn it into "Ferman has inside info" is to also ignore how hard he pushed Nussmeier as an OC candidate. That's all.

Any one of these guys can find a nut once in a while, or be "first" once a year.

But @Cribby has the much higher batting average, even if he expected Campanile over Guidry.
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Yep. I knew the day it was being announced but I assumed Campanelli since I knew they’d had contact. I never posted a name but he would‘ve been my guess.

Maybe the contact was to gauge his interest in dc or a co dc / lb role. I know there was contact though.
 
Mackmiller974 said:
Crazy thing is the offense improved a ton with Streeter and he still got fired.

2021 with Tony Elliott as OC
Scoring 82nd Total 100th
DJ 13 Total TDs 10INTs 55%

2022 with Brandon Streeter as OC
Scoring 30th Total 48th
DJ 29 Total TDs 7INTs 62%

Maybe they only fired him because they knew they could get Garrett Riley? It all happened pretty fast
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That's actually a pretty good improvement so what's the deal then? 8 years with program and the offense significantly improves, doesn't seem to add up or pass the smell test.

Their QB did them no favors and they absolutely had no WR's like the used to, and the RB's definitely weren't Etienne level. They've missed there at recruiting the last few years, WR diamonds were like their thing during their 2014-2018 run.
 
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Cribby said:
Yep. I knew the day it was being announced but I assumed Campanelli since I knew they’d had contact. I never posted a name but he would‘ve been my guess.

Maybe the contact was to gauge his interest in dc or a co dc / lb role. I know there was contact though.
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No problem, I know that you do the absolute best with the info you have.

Right now, the info is spinning around like in the movie "Twister". I'm expecting to see a cow go by any minute.
 
Category69 said:
That's actually a pretty good improvement so what's the deal then? 8 years with program and the offense significantly improves, doesn't seem to add up or pass the smell test.

Their QB did them no favors and they absolutely had no WR's like the used to, and the RB's definitely weren't Etienne level. They've missed there at recruiting the last few years, WR diamonds were like their thing during their 2014-2018 run.
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None of us will ever really know but it feels like once Dabo got word that he could hire GR he jumped on it and didn't look back. There's no way Dabo could truly blame the entire season on his OC when the only QB he could depend on for 75+% of the season was DJU.
 
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Category69 said:
That's actually a pretty good improvement so what's the deal then? 8 years with program and the offense significantly improves, doesn't seem to add up or pass the smell test.

Their QB did them no favors and they absolutely had no WR's like the used to, and the RB's definitely weren't Etienne level. They've missed there at recruiting the last few years, WR diamonds were like their thing during their 2014-2018 run.
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I remember when it went down and they hired Riley, my first thought was "poor Streeter, he's a Clemson grad and they recruited over him. That's savage."

If Dabo had fired him and started a search it would be one thing, but the fact that he clearly had Riley hired before he axed Streeter lends credence to the hypothesis that Riley was just too good of an opportunity to pass up. It doesn't mean Streeter is suddenly a bad OC.

Almost all of the best coaches at every level of football have been fired at one point or another. Everyone was pretty surprised when Streeter was cut. Until Riley was announced.
 
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mossmadness said:
Because of context. Because of the entire story.

I don’t really feel like digging into for you. If you’re actually interested, I’m sure you can take the time and do the research.

But it looks like Toledo’s defense was very good in 2021 based on F+.

If I had to guess, Toledo went up against a bunch of absolutely sh*tty defenses in 2021. Much like they do every year in the MAC.
Toledo’s defense completely dominated the sh*tty offenses on the schedule.
So Toledo’s offense was getting a lot of possessions, a lot of really good field position, and going up against sh*t defenses.
And yet, only scored 34 PPG and had 440 yards per game. So more like bulk of opportunity thanks to the defense, rather than competent offensive efficiency and explosiveness.

If I get 10 shots from a 3 point line, and hit 5 of them.
And you get 100 shots and hit 7 of them.
I’m a better shot than you are. Even though you will have made more and have more points than I do.

What you’re doing is wiping out the context, and just looking at the point total in the stat line.
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Arroyo in his second season calling plays as OC at Oregon ended up 19th in OF+ in 2019 (after ending up 41st in 2018). Does that make him a good name, in your view? Why or why not?

I'll hang up and listen.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Correct, and that's the point.

To turn it into "Ferman has inside info" is to also ignore how hard he pushed Nussmeier as an OC candidate. That's all.

Any one of these guys can find a nut once in a while, or be "first" once a year.

But @Cribby has the much higher batting average, even if he expected Campanile over Guidry.
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Don't care if Mario Mendoza has the inside info, just end this misery.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
I remember when it went down and they hired Riley, my first thought was "poor Streeter, he's a Clemson grad and they recruited over him. That's savage."

If Dabo had fired him and started a search it would be one thing, but the fact that he clearly had Riley hired before he axed Streeter lends credence to the hypothesis that Riley was just too good of an opportunity to pass up. It doesn't mean Streeter is suddenly a bad OC.

Almost all of the best coaches at every level of football has been fired at one point or another. Everyone was pretty surprised when Streeter was cut. Until Riley was announced.
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I suspect he would be **** upon by the majority of the board if he was hired but I would be excited with this guy. He's been around a winning program for a long time and he even had DJU improving.
 
RedPill Stepdad said:
Shannon Dawson offense (w/o Dana)

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Kentucky was 58th in offense the year before him.

Fell to 77th with him. Fired his ***.

Improved to 56th the next year without him.

He sucks so much.

And it’s crazy to hear people say, “I don’t want Streeter, he got fired after one season at Clemson. But I would take the dude that got fired after one year at Kentucky, and had no history of offensive success anywhere he has been.”
 
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