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pacusmc said:
I believe candle is a distraction and a way to get his extension.
Dudes in here say he and Mario have the same agent.
If that’s true then Mario knows 100 wether he wants the job or not and also has the green light to put his name out there 2 years in a row.

The issue imo is a distraction for who?

He got Gattis after the cfb season was over.
The only season left is Sunday.
If nobody on either of those 2 team’s staffs gets announced then there is definitely a problem getting an OC. I don’t see a reason why announcing a college coach would be taking this long or a reason to keep it quiet for this long.

So I’m guessing B Johnson.
That’s as far as my mind is willing to do mental Gymnastics. I’ll leave the real gymnastics to my daughter.
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It takes awhile to conduct 6,000 interviews and zero background checks.
 
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Cribby said:
He gutted him quick. Some guys are good position coaches but not everyone picks up play calling. Just look at coley. He was really good at game planning and scripting plays but had no feel for calling plays live.
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Streeter had been a playcaller for 6 seasons at the FCS level before going back to Clemson to coach. The evidence of what he is or isn't stretches beyond Clemson and what happened with a bad QB and poor WR play. Dabo made a move he had to make mostly because of previous season's mistakes. Tony Elliott would've been the one fired if he hadn't taken the UVA job last offseason. Clemson's system has grown stale and they don't have first round picks at WR and QB to bail them out right now. So Dabo got the biggest coordinator in the game and is gonna change what Clemson does on offense.

You stink at QB and outside WR in an offense that hasn't changed in about a decade you'll see a decline.
 
TimeBum said:
Not denying the body of work at UGA. But there were a few of us who didn't like the idea of hiring a coach who had just been fired due to mediocrity and who was planning to retire or at the very least sit out a couple years to recharge his batteries. Moreover, my concern at the time was that UM didn't have nearly the resources or the bag game that UGA did, so what he accomplished recruiting wise at UGA (with virtually infinite bags) wasn't a good barometer for what he'd achieve at Miami. Golden had to recruit and evaluate different at a small school, and it turned out to be a more successful strategy for UM than Richt's. You know as well as I do that most of the 10 win 2017 team were Golden recruits. Even though Richt wins on paper with class rank, the teams he left behind were bereft of talent- part of the reason we are where we are is that Diaz wasn't good enough at recruiting (or coaching) to dig himself out of the recruiting hole that he played a part in digging with Richt.
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Golden wouldn’t have gone on a 10-0 run with his guys, though. Not even if two of the teams on the schedule forfeited their games. He was incapable of getting his team ready to play & win games. It didn’t matter how good his evals were.
 
JZCane0825 said:
Lake insinuated that more candidates have interviewed but he isn't at liberty to disclose who they are. Perhaps Streeter, Dawson and Coley's names are being leaked strategically and the eventual guy is going to come out of left field like Guidry did.
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Could be NFL guys where contact with other teams has to be treated extra carefully contract-wise.
 
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JZCane0825 said:
Lake insinuated that more candidates have interviewed but he isn't at liberty to disclose who they are. Perhaps Streeter, Dawson and Coley's names are being leaked strategically and the eventual guy is going to come out of left field like Guidry did.
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Mackmiller974 said:
Crazy the amount of talent we had on some of those all golden offenses. Just look at 2013

QB Stephen Morris
RB Duke Johnson
WR Allen Hurns
WR Phillip Dorsett
WR Stacey Coley
TE Clive Warford
LT Ereck Flowers
LG Jon Feliciano
C Brandon Linder
RG Danny Isodora
RT Sentrel Henderson

That entire offense outside of maybe Morris went on to play in the NFL and actually play
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Morris played for the Jags
 
fincane said:
Streeter had been a playcaller for 6 season at the FCS level before going back to Clemson to coach. The evidence of what he is or isn't stretches beyond Clemson and what happened with a bad QB and poor WR play. Dabo made a move he had to make mostly because of previous season's mistakes. Tony Elliott would've been the one fired if he hadn't taken the UVA job last offseason. Clemson's system has grown stale and they don't have first round picks at WR and QB to bail them out right now. So Dabo got the biggest coordinator in the game and is gonna change what Clemson does on offense.

You stink at QB and outside WR in an offense that hasn't changed in about a decade you'll see a decline.
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Thank you for articulating this better than me. I'd rather create pointless meme's & talk like a caveman.
 
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TimeBum said:
Not denying the body of work at UGA. But there were a few of us who didn't like the idea of hiring a coach who had just been fired due to mediocrity and who was planning to retire or at the very least sit out a couple years to recharge his batteries. Moreover, my concern at the time was that UM didn't have nearly the resources or the bag game that UGA did, so what he accomplished recruiting wise at UGA (with virtually infinite bags) wasn't a good barometer for what he'd achieve at Miami. Golden had to recruit and evaluate different at a small school, and it turned out to be a more successful strategy for UM than Richt's. You know as well as I do that most of the 10 win 2017 team were Golden recruits. Even though Richt wins on paper with class rank, the teams he left behind were bereft of talent- part of the reason we are where we are is that Diaz wasn't good enough at recruiting (or coaching) to dig himself out of the recruiting hole that he played a part in digging with Richt.
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I wouldn’t characterize it as infinite bags, UGA certainly did have big bags & paid recruits during his tenure, but it wasn’t anywhere close to what they’re doing now with Kirby.

But the fact that Richt rolled out of bed with half a heart valve & managed to have 2 winning seasons with mostly Folden recruits does not make Folden out to be some excellent talent evaluator, it simply highlights how bad of a Coach he was that a dude **** near on his Deathbed could have more winning seasons than him in just 2 years than he did in 5.

Folden didn’t win sh*t at Temple & he didn’t win sh*t at Miami either, whatever his talent eval skills were didn’t help him one bit at Miami.

Richt for whatever his shortcomings were is still the most successful Coach we had here in 8 years.
 
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Cribby said:
He gutted him quick. Some guys are good position coaches but not everyone picks up play calling. Just look at coley. He was really good at game planning and scripting plays but had no feel for calling plays live.
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Agreed. He did a great job with Kaaya as QB coach but like you said after the first opening script nothing ever got in rhythm. I’d love him to be QB coach or WR coach. Or give him co-OC non play caller depending on who the head OC is.
 
My2Sense said:
So I googled it like you suggested and here's what I came up with. This is Yost's PPG and YPG each year he's been an OC vs the same for Littrell:

Yost
SchoolPPGYPG
2009Missouri29412.5
2010Missouri29.8409.6
2011Missouri32.8475.5
2012Missouri25.8356.4
2017Utah St30.2397.4
2018Utah St47.5498.6
2019Texas Tech30.5474.3
2020Texas Tech29.1430.1
2021Texas Tech30.3416.5
2022FIU18.7323.8
AVG30.4419.47
Littrell
SchoolPPGYPG
2010Arizona28.2439.4
2011Arizona30.8465.3
2012Indiana30.8442
2013Indiana38.4508.5
2014North Carolina33.2429.8
2015North Carolina40.7486.9
AVG33.7462.0

So yes - based on resume, Littrell has a better OC resume.
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Show me the 4- 1st round QBs Littrell put into the NFL....Plus Yost played against tougher competition the majority of his time.
 
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wnycanesfan said:
Not my top choice but if Dabo had played Cade from day 1 Clemson is in the CFP and Streeter is very well still employed by Clemson. DJ and his inconsistent to flat bad play last year killed that team.
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Crazy thing is the offense improved a ton with Streeter and he still got fired.

2021 with Tony Elliott as OC
Scoring 82nd Total 100th
DJ 13 Total TDs 10INTs 55%

2022 with Brandon Streeter as OC
Scoring 30th Total 48th
DJ 29 Total TDs 7INTs 62%

Maybe they only fired him because they knew they could get Garrett Riley? It all happened pretty fast
 
Mackmiller974 said:
Who do you think is the betting favorite as OC?

Brian Johnson
Jason Candle
James Coley
Shannon Dawson
Brandon Streeter
Other
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Imo

If Candle wanted the job it’s his. If he passes I’d roll with “ other “. I’d be willing to bet there’s a name / names out there that none of us have a clue about. The names being leaked out have interviewed and have obviously been approved to do so. I know one name that no media has entertained or paid much attention to. I’ve posted his name in passing once or twice. I know that from people in coaching circles , he‘d been contacted by UM.

The remainder of that list would be Dawson then Streeter. Once again that’s going off your list.
 
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