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The myth of Mario the recruiter

he is an elite recruiter we dont shell out the money that oregon, bama, texas, and all the elite programs do. when he was at oregon NIL wasn't a thing until he left. the problem is his evaluations and player development because few of his own recruits from high school are making progress. OJ is an exception but let's see him progress into year 2.
 
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252cane said:
He was bringing in the the best classes Oregon ever has had at that time. Lanning has had 1 top 3 class but he is doing a good job there
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And Mario's best class was 6th. Lanning's recruiting while at Oregon so far ***** all over what Mario did recruiting wise while at Oregon.

Mario's classes at Oregon:

2018: 13th (89.18 average rating)
2019: 7th (90.85 average rating)
2020: 13th (90.44 average rating)
2021: 6th (92.48 average rating)
Average Player Rating: 90.73

Lannings classes at Oregon:
2023: 9th (90.90 average rating)
2024: 3rd (92.19 average rating)
2025: currently 7th (93.60 average rating which is best in the country)
Average Player Rating: 92.23

Mario has NEVER been an "elite recruiter" like some of you claim. He had the same money, same backing, same facilities, that Lanning has. If Mario is "elite", what the **** is Lanning?

Mario's classes at Miami:
2023: 7th (91.78)
2024: 4th (91.00)
2025: currently 10th (91.02)

So in 7 years between Oregon and Miami this "elite" recruiter has managed 1 top 5 class? In 3 of the 7, he will finish outside the top 10. Where the **** do you guys get elite? And the 2024 class which finished 4th (because of total points), was 11th in average player rating. Why? Because as has been mentioned before, he gets some splash recruits but always has a plethora of bottom feeders. His classes are never balanced.

When you look at the metric that really matters, which is average player rating, over 7 full classes between Oregon and Miami his recruits have an average player rating of 90.9. That puts you on average around the 10th best class in the country. That is not even remotely close to elite. He is in the 2nd tier of recruiting, and towards the bottom of it. Results are results. The numbers don't lie.
 
STG said:
And Mario's best class was 6th. Lanning's recruiting while at Oregon so far ***** all over what Mario did recruiting wise while at Oregon.

Mario's classes at Oregon:

2018: 13th (89.18 average rating)
2019: 7th (90.85 average rating)
2020: 13th (90.44 average rating)
2021: 6th (92.48 average rating)
Average Player Rating: 90.73

Lannings classes at Oregon:
2023: 9th (90.90 average rating)
2024: 3rd (92.19 average rating)
2025: currently 7th (93.60 average rating which is best in the country)
Average Player Rating: 92.23

Mario has NEVER been an "elite recruiter" like some of you claim. He had the same money, same backing, same facilities, that Lanning has. If Mario is "elite", what the **** is Lanning?

Mario's classes at Miami:
2023: 7th (91.78)
2024: 4th (91.00)
2025: currently 10th (91.02)

So in 7 years between Oregon and Miami this "elite" recruiter has managed 1 top 5 class? In 3 of the 7, he will finish outside the top 10. Where the **** do you guys get elite? And the 2024 class which finished 4th (because of total points), was 11th in average player rating. Why? Because as has been mentioned before, he gets some splash recruits but always has a plethora of bottom feeders. His classes are never balanced.

When you look at the metric that really matters, which is average player rating, over 7 full classes between Oregon and Miami his recruits have an average player rating of 90.9. That puts you on average around the 10th best class in the country. That is not even remotely close to elite. He is in the 2nd tier of recruiting, and towards the bottom of it. Results are results. The numbers don't lie.
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So bring in Lanning?
 
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
NIL has killed the one thing Marry does kinda well
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NIL is the main reason we’ve been able to land back to back top seven classes. Without an NIL, the SEC is still Handing out McDonald’s bags full of cash and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. NIL has put us back in the game, so I completely disagree with your post.
 
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I think this narrative is too subjective.. it's hard to know how handcuffed we are by being in the ACC (and he was in the Pac12 when at Oregon)...

Now Oregon is in the B10 and has absolutely increased resources to keep up with the new and stronger conference...

Mario has pretty much always been the best recruiter in the conference he was a head coach in.. Nick Saban also made him his recruiting coordinator and Assistant Head Coach... that does mean something...

as long as we're in the ACC, it's going to be hard to keep up with the SEC and B10, even if the NIL $$$ is the same, which would be asking a lot from our boosters...
 
STG said:
And Mario's best class was 6th. Lanning's recruiting while at Oregon so far ***** all over what Mario did recruiting wise while at Oregon.

Mario's classes at Oregon:

2018: 13th (89.18 average rating)
2019: 7th (90.85 average rating)
2020: 13th (90.44 average rating)
2021: 6th (92.48 average rating)
Average Player Rating: 90.73

Lannings classes at Oregon:
2023: 9th (90.90 average rating)
2024: 3rd (92.19 average rating)
2025: currently 7th (93.60 average rating which is best in the country)
Average Player Rating: 92.23

Mario has NEVER been an "elite recruiter" like some of you claim. He had the same money, same backing, same facilities, that Lanning has. If Mario is "elite", what the **** is Lanning?

Mario's classes at Miami:
2023: 7th (91.78)
2024: 4th (91.00)
2025: currently 10th (91.02)

So in 7 years between Oregon and Miami this "elite" recruiter has managed 1 top 5 class? In 3 of the 7, he will finish outside the top 10. Where the **** do you guys get elite? And the 2024 class which finished 4th (because of total points), was 11th in average player rating. Why? Because as has been mentioned before, he gets some splash recruits but always has a plethora of bottom feeders. His classes are never balanced.

When you look at the metric that really matters, which is average player rating, over 7 full classes between Oregon and Miami his recruits have an average player rating of 90.9. That puts you on average around the 10th best class in the country. That is not even remotely close to elite. He is in the 2nd tier of recruiting, and towards the bottom of it. Results are results. The numbers don't lie.
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Mario did not have NIL. Lanning did.
STG said:
And Mario's best class was 6th. Lanning's recruiting while at Oregon so far ***** all over what Mario did recruiting wise while at Oregon.

Mario's classes at Oregon:

2018: 13th (89.18 average rating)
2019: 7th (90.85 average rating)
2020: 13th (90.44 average rating)
2021: 6th (92.48 average rating)
Average Player Rating: 90.73

Lannings classes at Oregon:
2023: 9th (90.90 average rating)
2024: 3rd (92.19 average rating)
2025: currently 7th (93.60 average rating which is best in the country)
Average Player Rating: 92.23

Mario has NEVER been an "elite recruiter" like some of you claim. He had the same money, same backing, same facilities, that Lanning has. If Mario is "elite", what the **** is Lanning?

Mario's classes at Miami:
2023: 7th (91.78)
2024: 4th (91.00)
2025: currently 10th (91.02)

So in 7 years between Oregon and Miami this "elite" recruiter has managed 1 top 5 class? In 3 of the 7, he will finish outside the top 10. Where the **** do you guys get elite? And the 2024 class which finished 4th (because of total points), was 11th in average player rating. Why? Because as has been mentioned before, he gets some splash recruits but always has a plethora of bottom feeders. His classes are never balanced.

When you look at the metric that really matters, which is average player rating, over 7 full classes between Oregon and Miami his recruits have an average player rating of 90.9. That puts you on average around the 10th best class in the country. That is not even remotely close to elite. He is in the 2nd tier of recruiting, and towards the bottom of it. Results are results. The numbers don't lie.
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Mario did not have NIL at Oregon in which he handed Lanning a winning program that was already turned around. Here he does not have the money to compete with the big boys.
 
caneknight7575 said:
Mario did not have NIL. Lanning did.



Mario did not have NIL at Oregon in which he handed Lanning a winning program that was already turned around. Here he does not have the money to compete with the big boys.
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He had under the table FU money while at Oregon. Stop with the **** excuses. And by year 2 Lanning had completley flipped Mario's roster.

NIL has brought parity to recruiting. It was easier to dominate recruiting doing it under the table. Again, stop with the **** excuses.

Even when provided with facts, some of you still can't cope with the truth. Nobody says Mario isn't a good recruiter, bit he is nowhere near ELITE and every metric supports that.
 
STG said:
And Mario's best class was 6th. Lanning's recruiting while at Oregon so far ***** all over what Mario did recruiting wise while at Oregon.

Mario's classes at Oregon:

2018: 13th (89.18 average rating)
2019: 7th (90.85 average rating)
2020: 13th (90.44 average rating)
2021: 6th (92.48 average rating)
Average Player Rating: 90.73

Lannings classes at Oregon:
2023: 9th (90.90 average rating)
2024: 3rd (92.19 average rating)
2025: currently 7th (93.60 average rating which is best in the country)
Average Player Rating: 92.23

Mario has NEVER been an "elite recruiter" like some of you claim. He had the same money, same backing, same facilities, that Lanning has. If Mario is "elite", what the **** is Lanning?

Mario's classes at Miami:
2023: 7th (91.78)
2024: 4th (91.00)
2025: currently 10th (91.02)

So in 7 years between Oregon and Miami this "elite" recruiter has managed 1 top 5 class? In 3 of the 7, he will finish outside the top 10. Where the **** do you guys get elite? And the 2024 class which finished 4th (because of total points), was 11th in average player rating. Why? Because as has been mentioned before, he gets some splash recruits but always has a plethora of bottom feeders. His classes are never balanced.

When you look at the metric that really matters, which is average player rating, over 7 full classes between Oregon and Miami his recruits have an average player rating of 90.9. That puts you on average around the 10th best class in the country. That is not even remotely close to elite. He is in the 2nd tier of recruiting, and towards the bottom of it. Results are results. The numbers don't lie.
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Saban said he was and fong said he was the best recruiting hc. Those guys have been around a while
 
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252cane said:
Saban said he was and fong said he was the best recruiting hc. Those guys have been around a while
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I don't give a **** what someone else says. The results are the results. Jeezus you guys find anything to cope.

Again, the results show NOTHING close to elite results.

Oh yeah, didn't Mario say TVD was the best QB in the country when he took over? What have the results shown?
 
STG said:
He had under the table FU money while at Oregon. Stop with the **** excuses. And by year 2 Lanning had completley flipped Mario's roster.

NIL has brought parity to recruiting. It was easier to dominate recruiting doing it under the table. Again, stop with the **** excuses.

Even when provided with facts, some of you still can't cope with the truth. Nobody says Mario isn't a good recruiter, bit he is nowhere near ELITE and every metric supports that.
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It wasn’t easier and it hasn’t brought parity because the same big schools who dominated recruiting have all the money and are still dominating
 
STG said:
I don't give a **** what someone else says. The results are the results. Jeezus you guys find anything to cope.

Again, the results show NOTHING close to elite results.

Oh yeah, didn't Mario say TVD was the best QB in the country when he took over? What have the results shown?
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I don’t need to cope wíth shít. When people who have been around the game especially a saban who knows what the man is capable of says it then to me it’s fúck your metrics. Metrics ain’t in these kids living rooms or on these visits.

What does a coach hyping up his player have to do with people in the coaching and recruiting business saying what they said?
 
252cane said:
It wasn’t easier and it hasn’t brought parity because the same big schools who dominated recruiting have all the money and are still dominating
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It absolutely was easier. Lol at saying it was not. Only certain schools had the money to pay top recruits, while also knowing they would never get in trouble for it. Now every school can throw money around and raise it in all different manners were people don't have to worry about participating in anything illegal. We are a PRIME EXAMPLE of NIL making it easier.

Do you actually believe we land some of the guys we have without NIL? You can't be serious.
 
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252cane said:
I don’t need to cope wíth shít. When people who have been around the game especially a saban who knows what the man is capable of says it then to me it’s fúck your metrics. Metrics ain’t in these kids living rooms or on these visits
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Yet he will have 3 classes out of 7 now outside of the top 10 between UM and Oregon. How have those visits gone? LMAO!

But, but Saban said.
 
STG said:
It absolutely was easier. Lol at saying it was not. Only certain schools had the money to pay top recruits, while also knowing they would never get in trouble for it. Now every school can throw money around and raise it in all different manners were people don't have to worry about participating in anything illegal. We are a PRIME EXAMPLE of NIL making it easier.

Do you actually believe we land some of the guys we have without NIL? You can't be serious.
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So what schools has nil helped in recruiting? Show me the schools that wasn’t recruiting at a high level before that are now
 
Mario has landed numerous 4 and 5 star guys in the 2023 and 2024 classes. Many have failed to contribute. Our overall hit rate has been much lower than what you need to succeed.

Whether this is missed eval's, poor scheme, poor development, a combination...I'm not really sure. But the below is alarming:

C/O 2023 4 and 5 stars

Hits
Francis
Bain
Fletcher

TBD (these guys have flashed in limited PT)
Riley Williams
Malik Bryant
Popo
Damari Brown

No impact (too soon to say bust?)
Samson
Robby Washington
Ray Ray
Robert Stafford
Jayden Wayne (transferred)
Collins Achaempong (transferred)

C/O 2024 4 and 5 stars

Immediate hits
Lyle
Pruitt (criminal he got just 4 snaps vs. Cuse)
Lofton

TBD
Scott
Lightfoot
Blount
Patterson
Trader
Carr
Robinson
Pickett
Jones
Hayes
Rudolph

It's absolutely critical Miami develops this class of 2024. To me, it's just as important as landing a star portal class. What's the point in "stacking talent" if said talent doesn't do anything but disappoint?
 
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STG said:
Yet he will have 3 classes out of 7 now outside of the top 10 between UM and Oregon. How have those visits gone? LMAO!

But, but Saban said.
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You put up the money needed to get these top 3 classes or take your metrics and just stfu
 
I’m not here to argue whether he is the guy for Miami or not.

But he won 12 games and a conference title at Oregon, 10 games here, and he led FIU to its best season ever.

Considering what most people on here feel about his coaching, he must be doing something right in talent acquisition.
 
Marios biggest problem with recruiting is that his philosophy at certain positions suck ***. Many notable posters have said the same thing for years.. CBs we target are slow or leave us scratching our heads. He puts an emphasis on DL recruiting but we lack those bigger tackles that we need. The idea of going cheap on a QB makes sense but having a top QB commit or promising QB attracts more talent. Emory is a gamer but he is not moving the needle with recruits.

TE, RB, and OL have been pretty good. I think we can all agree the LB recruiting is on the come up. Also, if Dennis is making the calls that falls on Mario, simple as that.
 
252cane said:
So what schools has nil helped in recruiting? Show me the schools that wasn’t recruiting at a high level before that are now
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Schools that recruited at high level are only going to get better. NIL isn't going to take a mid level program to new heights. They aren't going to raise money, or get huge committments from boosters for schools that have never won or will never win anything.

But how about we start with us. We have improved recruiting. Off the top of my head I know Auburn has, so has Tennessee, and looks like Michigan may go nuclear now with Ellison going in big.
 
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