The defense is hopeless...

[GhostofVenice01]

Says who? Have you been around since the off season? AG said in year one we were gonna be a tough, hardnosed smash mouth team built like Alabama


Jesus Marion Joseph, its like yall only see what you wanna see

Last year we couldn't pick up 1 yard when we needed it. This year we were all of a suddenly going to be a smash mouth team? Not sure where you're getting that from.

So....2 times last year we didnt convert our short yardage situations without our headcoaches S/C program implemented that means we abandon the run for the rest of his career here? Do me a favor and see what type of offense Golden ran at Temple before coming here...


And Goldens first interview here after being signed he said that to the press...so apparently im not sure where youve been getting your info from

Dude, we do not have the personnel to run a "smash mouth" offense. I have no doubt that this is AG's long term plan. We do not have a quality RB with the size to handle pounding the ball between the tackles 20 times a game. We have JAGs and Duke Johnson. Additionally, our O-line doesn't seem to be terribly adept at run blocking. Fisch is working with the cards he was dealt and he is doing the best job he can do. Has his play calling been perfect? Of course not. But I like what he's done. The offense is not the problem.

The ******* offense scored 3 points last week

LOL

NOT THE PROBLEM

 

[tcgrad1014]

Says who? Have you been around since the off season? AG said in year one we were gonna be a tough, hardnosed smash mouth team built like Alabama


Jesus Marion Joseph, its like yall only see what you wanna see

Last year we couldn't pick up 1 yard when we needed it. This year we were all of a suddenly going to be a smash mouth team? Not sure where you're getting that from.

So....2 times last year we didnt convert our short yardage situations without our headcoaches S/C program implemented that means we abandon the run for the rest of his career here? Do me a favor and see what type of offense Golden ran at Temple before coming here...


And Goldens first interview here after being signed he said that to the press...so apparently im not sure where youve been getting your info from

Dude, we do not have the personnel to run a "smash mouth" offense. I have no doubt that this is AG's long term plan. We do not have a quality RB with the size to handle pounding the ball between the tackles 20 times a game. We have JAGs and Duke Johnson. Additionally, our O-line doesn't seem to be terribly adept at run blocking. Fisch is working with the cards he was dealt and he is doing the best job he can do. Has his play calling been perfect? Of course not. But I like what he's done. The offense is not the problem.

The ******* offense scored 3 points last week

Without Fisch's offense we would be 1-5. It's not even a discussion. The offense is obviously carrying the team. It's also clear that we're not good enough to compete with teams like K State and ND, on either side of the ball.

 

[bbcane]

hard to run when your down by 3 scores. that said sure dont hurt pats, giant, , gb well you get point

top is last years offense

We abandoned the run after the 1st drive. Pretty sure we werent down 3 tds then.


And way to compare an NFL team with the 3 best quarterbacks in the league and loaded with talent at the WR position to our situation. SEEMS LEGIT.

well our oc is from the nfl so..
to me the little slip screens are pretty much a run, so you want last years offense when it comes to top and run plays
as far as nd game they hit over the top twice so why not try and come back. oh and where were you in the wins over nc state, gt, and bc with all this

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Says who? Our O-line has been overrated for at least 5 years. Our RBs consist of 2 JAGS and an undersized freshman. Who's the 4th RB?

Says who? Have you been around since the off season? AG said in year one we were gonna be a tough, hardnosed smash mouth team built like Alabama


Jesus Marion Joseph, its like yall only see what you wanna see

Last year we couldn't pick up 1 yard when we needed it. This year we were all of a suddenly going to be a smash mouth team? Not sure where you're getting that from.

So....2 times last year we didnt convert our short yardage situations without our headcoaches S/C program implemented that means we abandon the run for the rest of his career here? Do me a favor and see what type of offense Golden ran at Temple before coming here...


And Goldens first interview here after being signed he said that to the press...so apparently im not sure where youve been getting your info from

Dude, we do not have the personnel to run a "smash mouth" offense. I have no doubt that this is AG's long term plan. We do not have a quality RB with the size to handle pounding the ball between the tackles 20 times a game. We have JAGs and Duke Johnson. Additionally, our O-line doesn't seem to be terribly adept at run blocking. Fisch is working with the cards he was dealt and he is doing the best job he can do. Has his play calling been perfect? Of course not. But I like what he's done. The offense is not the problem.

LOLOLOL. We don't have the personnel? Are you ******* kidding me?

 

[tcgrad1014]

Says who? Have you been around since the off season? AG said in year one we were gonna be a tough, hardnosed smash mouth team built like Alabama


Jesus Marion Joseph, its like yall only see what you wanna see

Last year we couldn't pick up 1 yard when we needed it. This year we were all of a suddenly going to be a smash mouth team? Not sure where you're getting that from.

So....2 times last year we didnt convert our short yardage situations without our headcoaches S/C program implemented that means we abandon the run for the rest of his career here? Do me a favor and see what type of offense Golden ran at Temple before coming here...


And Goldens first interview here after being signed he said that to the press...so apparently im not sure where youve been getting your info from

Dude, we do not have the personnel to run a "smash mouth" offense. I have no doubt that this is AG's long term plan. We do not have a quality RB with the size to handle pounding the ball between the tackles 20 times a game. We have JAGs and Duke Johnson. Additionally, our O-line doesn't seem to be terribly adept at run blocking. Fisch is working with the cards he was dealt and he is doing the best job he can do. Has his play calling been perfect? Of course not. But I like what he's done. The offense is not the problem.

LOLOLOL. We don't have the personnel? Are you ******* kidding me?

Who's the smash mouth ball control RB? Duke is obviously too small. So are we talking James or Clements?

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Last year we couldn't pick up 1 yard when we needed it. This year we were all of a suddenly going to be a smash mouth team? Not sure where you're getting that from.

So....2 times last year we didnt convert our short yardage situations without our headcoaches S/C program implemented that means we abandon the run for the rest of his career here? Do me a favor and see what type of offense Golden ran at Temple before coming here...


And Goldens first interview here after being signed he said that to the press...so apparently im not sure where youve been getting your info from

Dude, we do not have the personnel to run a "smash mouth" offense. I have no doubt that this is AG's long term plan. We do not have a quality RB with the size to handle pounding the ball between the tackles 20 times a game. We have JAGs and Duke Johnson. Additionally, our O-line doesn't seem to be terribly adept at run blocking. Fisch is working with the cards he was dealt and he is doing the best job he can do. Has his play calling been perfect? Of course not. But I like what he's done. The offense is not the problem.

LOLOLOL. We don't have the personnel? Are you ******* kidding me?

Who's the smash mouth ball control RB? Duke is obviously too small. So are we talking James or Clements?

Mike James, with Duke getting some carries? This is the ACC, not the SEC. We don't need Mark Ingram man.

Now who else on our offense isn't suited for a smash mouth offense? Our huge OL? Our FB? Our TE's that block better than they catch? Please do elaborate.

 

[bigmont80]

Venice, Larry...it's no use.

This football board is filling up quickly with some real trogs. Its like they don't even watch the games or have never seen a football in their lives.

Or they're watching a different game than I am.

 

[bbcane]

Venice, Larry...it's no use.

This football board is filling up quickly with some real trogs. Its like they don't even watch the games or have never seen a football in their lives.

Or they're watching a different game than I am.

seriously you guys would have more clout if you brought this up after bc.gt, or nc state

 

[bigmont80]

Last year we couldn't pick up 1 yard when we needed it. This year we were all of a suddenly going to be a smash mouth team? Not sure where you're getting that from.

So....2 times last year we didnt convert our short yardage situations without our headcoaches S/C program implemented that means we abandon the run for the rest of his career here? Do me a favor and see what type of offense Golden ran at Temple before coming here...


And Goldens first interview here after being signed he said that to the press...so apparently im not sure where youve been getting your info from

Dude, we do not have the personnel to run a "smash mouth" offense. I have no doubt that this is AG's long term plan. We do not have a quality RB with the size to handle pounding the ball between the tackles 20 times a game. We have JAGs and Duke Johnson. Additionally, our O-line doesn't seem to be terribly adept at run blocking. Fisch is working with the cards he was dealt and he is doing the best job he can do. Has his play calling been perfect? Of course not. But I like what he's done. The offense is not the problem.

LOLOLOL. We don't have the personnel? Are you ******* kidding me?

Who's the smash mouth ball control RB? Duke is obviously too small. So are we talking James or Clements?

It doesn't have to be smash mouth. Just don't completely abandon the run in the 1st quarter. IIRC after ND scored either their 1st or 2nd TD in the second half, we come on the field and go three and out on three incomplete passes and take less than 1:00 of time off the clock. And then our D runs back on the field and promply gives up another TD in about 4 plays.

 

[bbcane]

So....2 times last year we didnt convert our short yardage situations without our headcoaches S/C program implemented that means we abandon the run for the rest of his career here? Do me a favor and see what type of offense Golden ran at Temple before coming here...


And Goldens first interview here after being signed he said that to the press...so apparently im not sure where youve been getting your info from

Dude, we do not have the personnel to run a "smash mouth" offense. I have no doubt that this is AG's long term plan. We do not have a quality RB with the size to handle pounding the ball between the tackles 20 times a game. We have JAGs and Duke Johnson. Additionally, our O-line doesn't seem to be terribly adept at run blocking. Fisch is working with the cards he was dealt and he is doing the best job he can do. Has his play calling been perfect? Of course not. But I like what he's done. The offense is not the problem.

LOLOLOL. We don't have the personnel? Are you ****ing kidding me?

Who's the smash mouth ball control RB? Duke is obviously too small. So are we talking James or Clements?

It doesn't have to be smash mouth. Just don't completely abandon the run in the 1st quarter. IIRC after ND scored either their 1st or 2nd TD in the second half, we come on the field and go three and out on three incomplete passes and take less than 1:00 of time off the clock. And then our D runs back on the field and promply gives up another TD in about 4 plays.

at that point we are down 3 scores

 

[JHallCanes]

You guys are dead nuts about running the ball and TOP but seriously stop making it sound so simple.

KSU was up 14-21 before we could blink.

Our defense is so ******* bad I honestly don't think it even matters. That's how ******* pathetic it is.

 

[sniffin94]

I just gotta make sue I am clear now. So even though we only managed to score 16 points against the 2 good defenses that we played, the offense is not at all responsible for these losses? 7 of those points came in garbage time, so really we scored 9 points in our 2 biggest games of the year. 3 and outs contribute to the defense giving up 16,423 yards per game and 81.8 points. The problem is not only the defense. The offense needs to move the ball, give the defense a rest and control field position.

 

[JHallCanes]

I just gotta make sue I am clear now. So even though we only managed to score 16 points against the 2 good defenses that we played, the offense is not at all responsible for these losses? 7 of those points came in garbage time, so really we scored 9 points in our 2 biggest games of the year. 3 and outs contribute to the defense giving up 16,423 yards per game and 81.8 points. The problem is not only the defense. The offense needs to move the ball, give the defense a rest and control field position.

Our offense isnt overloaded with talent either so we can't forget that. They just are making more with what they got than the defense.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

Venice, Larry...it's no use.

This football board is filling up quickly with some real trogs. Its like they don't even watch the games or have never seen a football in their lives.

Or they're watching a different game than I am.

seriously you guys would have more clout if you brought this up after bc.gt, or nc state

Oh you mean the games we barely squeaked out?

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

I just gotta make sue I am clear now. So even though we only managed to score 16 points against the 2 good defenses that we played, the offense is not at all responsible for these losses? 7 of those points came in garbage time, so really we scored 9 points in our 2 biggest games of the year. 3 and outs contribute to the defense giving up 16,423 yards per game and 81.8 points. The problem is not only the defense. The offense needs to move the ball, give the defense a rest and control field position.

People REALLY believe that we can do what we did offensively against NC St. every week. That's what's hilarious to me...thinking that type of **** is sustainable.

 

[canes1977]

Controlling the TOP when you have a porous defense is basic football 101. Aint noone gonna tell with me otherwise

Our offense hinges too much on momentum, its either cold and we cant convert to save our lives or its hot and were completing receptions. This is not what you run when your defense is a sieve.

I thought having the offense score points is basic football 101. We may not have 2 blowout defeats, but nobody is going to convince me we would be 3-0 in the ACC if we put restraints on the offense. You want to fix the defense..work on execution, dont destroy the one thing that is working for us. Fact is, if the defense was respectable, we wouldnt have to score 40 a game. An extra 5 mins of TOP isnt going to fix anything.

I think you are missing the point.

Ball Control, is not so much about limiting your offense, as it is about keeping a game close. When your defense is weak, you want to keep them off the field. If you are doing this, then the game will be close. That means, even if you blow a few drives, you are still in position to win every game you are in with a solid 4th quarter. This was what we did last year. This year, we are trying to score points in a hurry, but leaving our weak D too exposed for TOO long on the field. This is letting them get worn down, and it almost makes out offene one of feast or famine. We arent getting in any kind of rythym on offense, running, passing, sustaining long drives. Its all a fast paced attack that either works, or blows up. Thus putting most of the pressure on the defense to slow the game down for us. Exactly the OPPOSITE of what you want to do here.

Seems to me that Fisch and Donofrio are on totally different wavelengths here.

With all due respect, our coaches who have more football knowledge than you and I combine, seem to agree with me, so I am not sure I am the one missing the point.

 

[Redmen7805]

Sorry but the defense needs to help themselves by getting off the field. Not including the Bethune game, we are allowing teams to convert 48% of 3rd/4th downs. We are also giving up 40 pts/game (not including bethune).

If we slow the game up we would be 1-5. The offense needs to score 40+ points for us to have a chance of winning.

You need to accept the sobering reality that the defense can not help themselves. So, other, more competent units need to compensate for it. The passing game needs to become more efficient and we need to run the football a little more.

Miami ranks current 116th in Time Of Possession, my dude. 116th. Averaging a little under 25mpg.

That can not continue. It yields a very inefficient offense that makes the team rather one dimensional and adds a LOT of pressure on a defense that straight up is the drizzling ****s in the first place.

Whether we take our time on offense or run the two minute drill the entire game, the offense is going to have to score points on the majority of our drives for us to win.

Fisch has to run this offense to maximize points per possession which is what I believe he is doing. Fish is a smart dude and I have to believe he would be calling a ground and pound game if he thought it would yield more points per possession.

We have a better chance of winning scoring 40 pts/ game with a time of possession of 25 mpg than holding the ball for 35 MPG and only scoring 17 pts.

 

[Redmen7805]

You can also play Devil's Advocate and say we need to run up-tempo to score more, since it's a virtual certainty our D will give up 30+ points.

No doubt. The defense is clearly the glaring issue here.

At the end of the day, the offense is goign to have to score on most of their possessions for us to win. It doesn't matter if we play keep away or a hurry-up offense.

If Jedd beleives we are more likely to achieve this by throwing the ball and playing up tempo than that is what he needs to call.

 

[AlexCane]

Says who? Have you been around since the off season? AG said in year one we were gonna be a tough, hardnosed smash mouth team built like Alabama


Jesus Marion Joseph, its like yall only see what you wanna see

Last year we couldn't pick up 1 yard when we needed it. This year we were all of a suddenly going to be a smash mouth team? Not sure where you're getting that from.

So....2 times last year we didnt convert our short yardage situations without our headcoaches S/C program implemented that means we abandon the run for the rest of his career here? Do me a favor and see what type of offense Golden ran at Temple before coming here...


And Goldens first interview here after being signed he said that to the press...so apparently im not sure where youve been getting your info from

Dude, we do not have the personnel to run a "smash mouth" offense. I have no doubt that this is AG's long term plan. We do not have a quality RB with the size to handle pounding the ball between the tackles 20 times a game. We have JAGs and Duke Johnson. Additionally, our O-line doesn't seem to be terribly adept at run blocking. Fisch is working with the cards he was dealt and he is doing the best job he can do. Has his play calling been perfect? Of course not. But I like what he's done. The offense is not the problem.

LOLOLOL. We don't have the personnel? Are you ******* kidding me?

Agree with McGahee. We do have the personnel. Across the board, it's a big, fairly experienced OL with talent. Plus, Hagens. I'd actually suggest we have the personnel to play more I-formation than spread the ball going 5 wide.

Frankly, I don't think Fisch is on board with a smash mouth offense and he has shown no inclination to do so. He gets away from the running game quickly.

Edit: I posted something similar after GTech, where I suggested that IMO, Fisch's offense doesn't meet the current personnel of this team.

2nd edit: And for an example of this, when we were up 23-7 against NCST, we started to run the ball well, as NCST was tired from the heat and being on the field. We pounded it down, and then 1st and goal at the 2, Fisch calls a ridiculous pass play that results in INT. IMO, Fisch doesn't have the "smash mouth" mentality.

 

[JHallCanes]

What is clear is that our coaches don't trust a couple of career 3ypc guys to carry our offense.

We are definitely in a mode where we want to score early and force the other team to dumb down their offense. ******* pathetic but it is what it is.