The defense is hopeless...

You can also play Devil's Advocate and say we need to run up-tempo to score more, since it's a virtual certainty our D will give up 30+ points.

Plenty of teams score 30+ with a slower pace.

And Controlling the ball 5 minutes longer per game would mean our defense has 5 less minutes to get scored on.

Net results would be better if we A) Ran the ball more and B) slowed the tempo.

Plus, I think Morris's erratic play is due to this up tempo. The game might just be moving to fast for him to process everything he needs too.

GOlden and Fisch need to go back and check what they are doing and slow the **** down.
 
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When we need to score 35+ points in a game to stand a chance, a run first offense with Mike James as the featured back is a gigantic fail.

Our huge offensive line has been huge since Butch Davis. Being huge and being good is not the same thing. The current group is decent at pass blocking, not so much at run blocking. Our TEs are JAGs (at everything). Hagens is a JAG too.

Fisch has put in an offense that maximizes the skills of the players he has. He's doing a good job.

You can't fault this OL for not being good at run blocking when we have an OC that isn't committed to running the ball.

And I strongly disagree w/ the bolded, for the reasons that I've stated throughout this thread.
Thank you. Besides, how do we even know how good the line truly is at run blocking when there is no commitment to the run?

What would you consider a "commitment" to the run?

When you're up 23-7 at home and on a 23-0 run, and the other team is tired, and you have 1st and goal at the 2, you run the ******* ball. You don't throw the ******* ball, not after your OL is starting to wear down the opposing team's line and open up holes.

Hindsight is 20/20. If I'm in my second season as OC of this team, I have seen the offensive line fail to get any push on vital short yardage run plays. K State last year has to haunt Fisch. In retrospect it's easy to say it was a bad play call because the end result was a disaster. Throwing on first down from the 2 will usually catch the defense off guard. I have no problem with it.
 
It has nothing to do with hindsight or looking at things in retrospect. It's football 101. When you are in that situation, passing the ball every down is asinine. I would love to be down in a game against a team you coached. Giving me mad opportunities to close that deficit, exactly what happened against NC St.
 
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running the ball is a mindset. A mindset that this team doesn't have right now.
And no one will convince me we don't have the players to run smash mouth.
But Fisch is too pass happy to stick the the run and make it an identity.

Right now we're passing 60% of the time.
UF is rushing more than 60% of the time. Do they have more of a smash mouth players than we do? Heck no.

Out of all the things that Golden has signed off on this to me is the most perplexing. He needs to tell Fisch to balance out the offense.
 
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running the ball is a mindset. A mindset that this team doesn't have right now.
And no one will convince me we don't have the players to run smash mouth.
But Fisch is too pass happy to stick the the run and make it an identity.

Right now we're passing 60% of the time.
UF is rushing more than 60% of the time. Do they have more of a smash mouth players than we do? Heck no.


Out of all the things that Golden has signed off on this to me is the most perplexing. He needs to tell Fisch to balance out the offense.


1) UF actually has a big lack of proven WRs and a young QB that has clearly proven that he's not ready for primetime against top defenses (they had to run the ball 15 straight times or something vs LSU to win, and did, good for them.) He's thrown for less than 800 yards in 5 games with just 4 TDs. If Morris did that with our current W/L record, there would be a march on Hecht of ****ed off fans demanding to know why we didn't throw it more often. The Turds' best option is to run it a lot (they average about 210ypg) and lean on the defense, so you're dead wrong in your assessment of them.

2) While a little more balance against better competition would be helpful to keep the defense fresh with more time of possession, the OL has had problems creating holes against good and not-so-good defenses. You can't run the ball if you can't run block effectively. On top of that, Mike James is not an explosive player that can make something out of nothing, and the smarter teams we've faced have keyed on Duke in his limited touches, so that really puts us in a hole whenever we try to run. We're just not that good at it, for whatever reason you want to think of.

That leaves us with what we ARE good at: throwing it medium-to-deep (and often) to a group of talented but inconsistent receivers. And deep throws naturally suffer from a lower completion rate, so if we misfire more than a couple times (exhibits A and B the KSU and ND games and the number of blown opportunities) then the offense REALLY stalls out and puts even more pressure on the defense.


There are two issues that are more important than being able to run the ball that's hurting us IMO; Morris' inconsistency on short throws and the lack of a reliable TE threat. You can get away with throwing the ball 50 times a game in college these days and still win a bunch of games, but only if you can complete the majority of those 6 and 7 yard gimmes that extend drives and chew clock. We miss far too many of those, or if they're completed, they are not on target and take running momentum away from the receiver, instead of letting them go upfield quickly. Not having a tight end is crippling in the red zone, because receivers can get chucked off routes and can be stifled and double-teamed in close, but a 250lb TE is going to get whatever he wants against a corner or safety and can't normally be covered by a LB. Heck, we've actually seen this happen, except ours have their hands covered in Crisco and wear cement shoes.

Great post. Spot on.
 
You can't fault this OL for not being good at run blocking when we have an OC that isn't committed to running the ball.

And I strongly disagree w/ the bolded, for the reasons that I've stated throughout this thread.
Thank you. Besides, how do we even know how good the line truly is at run blocking when there is no commitment to the run?

What would you consider a "commitment" to the run?

When you're up 23-7 at home and on a 23-0 run, and the other team is tired, and you have 1st and goal at the 2, you run the ******* ball. You don't throw the ******* ball, not after your OL is starting to wear down the opposing team's line and open up holes.

Hindsight is 20/20. If I'm in my second season as OC of this team, I have seen the offensive line fail to get any push on vital short yardage run plays. K State last year has to haunt Fisch. In retrospect it's easy to say it was a bad play call because the end result was a disaster. Throwing on first down from the 2 will usually catch the defense off guard. I have no problem with it.

On first down?! You're trying too hard.
 
It has nothing to do with hindsight or looking at things in retrospect. It's football 101. When you are in that situation, passing the ball every down is asinine. I would love to be down in a game against a team you coached. Giving me mad opportunities to close that deficit, exactly what happened against NC St.
it has everything to do with hindsight .. If that ball is caught, like it should have been, there's not a single person *****ing not running there.. You can't judge the call based on the negative result..also, I've seen what happens when we try to run in short yardage situations, not pretty.
 
Thank you. Besides, how do we even know how good the line truly is at run blocking when there is no commitment to the run?

What would you consider a "commitment" to the run?

When you're up 23-7 at home and on a 23-0 run, and the other team is tired, and you have 1st and goal at the 2, you run the ******* ball. You don't throw the ******* ball, not after your OL is starting to wear down the opposing team's line and open up holes.

Hindsight is 20/20. If I'm in my second season as OC of this team, I have seen the offensive line fail to get any push on vital short yardage run plays. K State last year has to haunt Fisch. In retrospect it's easy to say it was a bad play call because the end result was a disaster. Throwing on first down from the 2 will usually catch the defense off guard. I have no problem with it.

On first down?! You're trying too hard.

Especially on first down.
 
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It has nothing to do with hindsight or looking at things in retrospect. It's football 101. When you are in that situation, passing the ball every down is asinine. I would love to be down in a game against a team you coached. Giving me mad opportunities to close that deficit, exactly what happened against NC St.
it has everything to do with hindsight .. If that ball is caught, like it should have been, there's not a single person *****ing not running there.. You can't judge the call based on the negative result..also, I've seen what happens when we try to run in short yardage situations, not pretty.

Yes. You can. It was the wrong call.
 
It has nothing to do with hindsight or looking at things in retrospect. It's football 101. When you are in that situation, passing the ball every down is asinine. I would love to be down in a game against a team you coached. Giving me mad opportunities to close that deficit, exactly what happened against NC St.
it has everything to do with hindsight .. If that ball is caught, like it should have been, there's not a single person *****ing not running there.. You can't judge the call based on the negative result..also, I've seen what happens when we try to run in short yardage situations, not pretty.

Yes. You can. It was the wrong call.

So I assume the right call was what Fisch did against K State last year at the end of the game? 3 straight runs up the middle?
 
It has nothing to do with hindsight or looking at things in retrospect. It's football 101. When you are in that situation, passing the ball every down is asinine. I would love to be down in a game against a team you coached. Giving me mad opportunities to close that deficit, exactly what happened against NC St.
it has everything to do with hindsight .. If that ball is caught, like it should have been, there's not a single person *****ing not running there.. You can't judge the call based on the negative result..also, I've seen what happens when we try to run in short yardage situations, not pretty.

Yes. You can. It was the wrong call.

So I assume the right call was what Fisch did against K State last year at the end of the game? 3 straight runs up the middle?

Yeah. Watch football. Typically teams pound the ball in these situations, unless you are Oregon or WVU

OR perhaps do something like call a screen or PA dump off. Going to the shotgun from the 2 yardline on 1st down is simply mind boggling and an example of where Fisch is outthinking himself.
 
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It has nothing to do with hindsight or looking at things in retrospect. It's football 101. When you are in that situation, passing the ball every down is asinine. I would love to be down in a game against a team you coached. Giving me mad opportunities to close that deficit, exactly what happened against NC St.
it has everything to do with hindsight .. If that ball is caught, like it should have been, there's not a single person ****ing not running there.. You can't judge the call based on the negative result..also, I've seen what happens when we try to run in short yardage situations, not pretty.

Yes. You can. It was the wrong call.


so if he catches it for a TD... Wrong Call? .. If he runs it 3 times and gets stuffed for no TD.. right call? Really?
 
It has nothing to do with hindsight or looking at things in retrospect. It's football 101. When you are in that situation, passing the ball every down is asinine. I would love to be down in a game against a team you coached. Giving me mad opportunities to close that deficit, exactly what happened against NC St.
it has everything to do with hindsight .. If that ball is caught, like it should have been, there's not a single person ****ing not running there.. You can't judge the call based on the negative result..also, I've seen what happens when we try to run in short yardage situations, not pretty.

Yes. You can. It was the wrong call.


so if he catches it for a TD... Wrong Call? .. If he runs it 3 times and gets stuffed for no TD.. right call? Really?
If he catches it then I am happy with the outcome. Still would question the playcall though. Sorry I don't lose all sense of rationality just because I am watching the Canes.
 
It was the wrong call. I can't believe you are defending it. We had NCST on its back, with our foot on its throat and rather than pound, we decide to throw the ball into the middle of the end zone to our TE who has failed to establish himself as a consistent and reliable receiver, particularly in the middle of the field. It was a bad call any way you look at it, in particular considering the circumstances.
 
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I will shut up if someone can name me the last team to win a championship that featured an offense based primarily on the pass. I'm looking at the list from 1998-present and I don't see one team that operated like that.
 
It has nothing to do with hindsight or looking at things in retrospect. It's football 101. When you are in that situation, passing the ball every down is asinine. I would love to be down in a game against a team you coached. Giving me mad opportunities to close that deficit, exactly what happened against NC St.
it has everything to do with hindsight .. If that ball is caught, like it should have been, there's not a single person ****ing not running there.. You can't judge the call based on the negative result..also, I've seen what happens when we try to run in short yardage situations, not pretty.

I was *****ing about not running as the **** play was developing. **** I was even thinking in my head, I bet Fisch tries to throw it before the ball was snapped. Stupid ******* call.
 
I will shut up if someone can name me the last team to win a championship that featured an offense based primarily on the pass. I'm looking at the list from 1998-present and I don't see one team that operated like that.

fsu in 99 was a little under a 3-1 ratio of passing yards to rushing yards.
Their leading rusher ran for 815 yards. That doesn't seem like a non-existent running game to me.
 
It has nothing to do with hindsight or looking at things in retrospect. It's football 101. When you are in that situation, passing the ball every down is asinine. I would love to be down in a game against a team you coached. Giving me mad opportunities to close that deficit, exactly what happened against NC St.
it has everything to do with hindsight .. If that ball is caught, like it should have been, there's not a single person *****ing not running there.. You can't judge the call based on the negative result..also, I've seen what happens when we try to run in short yardage situations, not pretty.
YES there ARE people *****ing. As soon as we lined up (like weown said), I was ******* ****ed because I knew what was coming. Everyone in my section was expressing the same frustration. Like I said, if the ball is caught, of course I am happy with the TD, but I still am pretty upset at the risky playcall. It's called being able to rationally watch a football game. I guess you can't take your orange and green glasses off.

I've also seen what happens in short yardage situations. I was on the field, in the endzone Jacory couldn't convert in, during the K-State game. Guess what? That was last year. I'm trying to think of short yardage situations on the goal line where we got stuffed this year. Remind me if you can think of some.
 
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