Tell me why Wisconsin, Michigan, and UNC...

I really don't understand reporters picking us at 8 wins. We lost Scott, Burns and Bush. That's it. We won 4 games last year with a TE coach and they see no improvement? Sure they say we'll be better and then still pick 8 games. Looking at you Porter.

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Makes no sense to me how anyone who calls himself a football fan or reporter could go into this season expecting us to have the same record we had last year.

Not only were we coachless for half the season, but the toxicity surrounding the program was unprecedented in history. The players were completely beat down and unmotivated by the circus that UM had allowed to continue.

We have one of the best QBs in college football, yet no one wants to account for that huge advantage.

The same idiot talking heads will come back from the previous segment of saying "ALL you need is a good QB to win at this level...." and then will do predictions and have us winning like 7 games as "Mark Richt tries to right the ship in Miami...". These dolts would be jerking each other off if ANY SEC school had a junior QB like Kaaya. Jesuchristo, they'd be dark-horsing Arky as a 2nd SEC team into the Playoff if he was at that dump of a program.

So how many games do you think we'd win if we didn't have Kaaya then? I'd bet 95% of you guys would still be predicting a 9-10 win season if Kaaya was out for some reason, so It's kinda a double standard.
Comparing our position groups to others in the ACC -
RB core is good. OLine is solid. WR group is good. TE group is great.
DT's are good. DE's are average. LB group is below average until they prove anything. Safety is good. Corner is above average.
That tells me, we are going to have a good Offense and an average Defense and we have no depth anywhere which is not good.
With an average QB, we'd probably be a 6/7 win team. With Kaaya we are a 8/9 win team.

95% of people would be idiots then but methinks you overestimate the optimism that'd be around here if Kaaya wasn't available. I think you overestimate it by a lotttttttt.

only because we have no one to replace him really. But imagine instead of having Kaaya we just had an average QB instead. **** even if allison was starting everyone would be saying something like "yeah but we have pretty much everyone on Offense returning."
 
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Last Year: Team wins 8 games during the regular season without any "coaching" and against a tougher schedule.

This Year: Better coach comes in and we have an easier schedule.

Richt isn't a first time coach. We open with 3 jokes and then have a week off before playing GT. Plenty of time to get things going before it matters. 10 wins (before the bowl) isn't some monumental achievement either. Get it done Richt.

...And a worse team. Everyone glosses over the fact we've lost a lot of people.
And yes last years schedule was harder, but not by all that much. We trade Clemson for ND. Away at App St is tougher than Nebraska or Cincinnati were last year. GTech, VTech, and Pitt will all be better while UNC is going to be slightly worse. It's like you guys assume we are the only ACC team that can improve from one year to another.

How are we a worse team? Nobody glosses over it. We lost some players, we have better coaches. For the first time, in a long time, we have actual coaching.

Yes. Better Coaches. Not as many good players.

Again, how are we a worse team? You really thing this team is worse than last year? How would you possibly know when these kids haven't had a shred of coaching for the last _____ years? You could have all-americans, you could have quality players and nobody would ***ing know.
 
only because we have no one to replace him really. But imagine instead of having Kaaya we just had an average QB instead. **** even if allison was starting everyone would be saying something like "yeah but we have pretty much everyone on Offense returning."

Well we don't so why does it matter?
 
I really don't understand reporters picking us at 8 wins. We lost Scott, Burns and Bush. That's it. We won 4 games last year with a TE coach and they see no improvement? Sure they say we'll be better and then still pick 8 games. Looking at you Porter.

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Makes no sense to me how anyone who calls himself a football fan or reporter could go into this season expecting us to have the same record we had last year.

Not only were we coachless for half the season, but the toxicity surrounding the program was unprecedented in history. The players were completely beat down and unmotivated by the circus that UM had allowed to continue.

We have one of the best QBs in college football, yet no one wants to account for that huge advantage.

THE best qb, let's make that clear
 
only because we have no one to replace him really. But imagine instead of having Kaaya we just had an average QB instead. **** even if allison was starting everyone would be saying something like "yeah but we have pretty much everyone on Offense returning."

Well we don't so why does it matter?

The comment was directly referring to how a qb affect analysts W/L prediction. Why don't you go an read what was said.
 
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only because we have no one to replace him really. But imagine instead of having Kaaya we just had an average QB instead. **** even if allison was starting everyone would be saying something like "yeah but we have pretty much everyone on Offense returning."

Well we don't so why does it matter?

The comment was directly referring to how a qb affect analysts W/L prediction. Why don't you go an read what was said.

The porst was bad in several places. Continue.
 
Last Year: Team wins 8 games during the regular season without any "coaching" and against a tougher schedule.

This Year: Better coach comes in and we have an easier schedule.

Richt isn't a first time coach. We open with 3 jokes and then have a week off before playing GT. Plenty of time to get things going before it matters. 10 wins (before the bowl) isn't some monumental achievement either. Get it done Richt.

...And a worse team. Everyone glosses over the fact we've lost a lot of people.
And yes last years schedule was harder, but not by all that much. We trade Clemson for ND. Away at App St is tougher than Nebraska or Cincinnati were last year. GTech, VTech, and Pitt will all be better while UNC is going to be slightly worse. It's like you guys assume we are the only ACC team that can improve from one year to another.

How are we a worse team? Nobody glosses over it. We lost some players, we have better coaches. For the first time, in a long time, we have actual coaching.

Yes. Better Coaches. Not as many good players.

Again, how are we a worse team? You really thing this team is worse than last year? How would you possibly know when these kids haven't had a shred of coaching for the last _____ years? You could have all-americans, you could have quality players and nobody would ***ing know.

We are a worse team because we lost good players who were seniors or entered the draft last year. Then we lost a WR most thought would be competing for the starting job to an ACL injury in Cager. Then we lost our two best players on defense in AQM and Grace and a solid LB who had experience in Young. I don't care what you say about us being able to handle those losses, that hurts the overall talent on our team. I do think our players will improve, but if you think the talent on our team currently is better than it was last year, you're crazy. I'm not saying these Freshman aren't going to eventually be better than the players they replace but they aren't yet.
 
The problem with the number crunchers is that right now, all the pre-season power ranking numbers are based on last season's statistics. If Miami were returning last seasons' coaches and schemes, then yes, 7-8 wins would bbe easily predictable. The x factor is an entirely new staff and philosophy. If you believe Richt and co. are no better than the previous abortion, then put your money on under 7.5 wins. If intangibles like having a superstar at the most important position don't mean anything, figure on 7-8 wins. Now, if you believe there's been a significant upgrade in staff and the overall talent of a team returning a majority of it's starters has improved, then 9+ wins seems very manigable.
 
I really don't understand reporters picking us at 8 wins. We lost Scott, Burns and Bush. That's it. We won 4 games last year with a TE coach and they see no improvement? Sure they say we'll be better and then still pick 8 games. Looking at you Porter.

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Makes no sense to me how anyone who calls himself a football fan or reporter could go into this season expecting us to have the same record we had last year.

Not only were we coachless for half the season, but the toxicity surrounding the program was unprecedented in history. The players were completely beat down and unmotivated by the circus that UM had allowed to continue.

We have one of the best QBs in college football, yet no one wants to account for that huge advantage.

THE best qb, let's make that clear

Are you saying Kaaya is the best QB in college football? The potential is there for this year but there were a dozen or more that were better passers last year and about a 100 or so that were better runners.
 
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We are a worse team because we lost good players who were seniors or entered the draft last year. Then we lost a WR most thought would be competing for the starting job to an ACL injury in Cager. Then we lost our two best players on defense in AQM and Grace and a solid LB who had experience in Young. I don't care what you say about us being able to handle those losses, that hurts the overall talent on our team. I do think our players will improve, but if you think the talent on our team currently is better than it was last year, you're crazy. I'm not saying these Freshman aren't going to eventually be better than the players they replace but they aren't yet.

I will give you Burns, Grace and AQM. Cager, we will miss those 70 yards from last year. How will we manage with targets like Njoku and Cooley? If we only had an older Heisman candidate at QB, that would be great. The O-Line and D-Line are older and better. We have some new kids (like Willis) on the DL too. Elder is still here and getting better coaching.

We have some issues at LB and nobody will deny that. I don't think the talent, assuming there were no coaching changes, is such a dramatic difference from last year.

I don't think you truly realize how bad the coaching was at Miami. Especially on defense. *** that, the offensive coaching was trash too. These kids get three warm up games and an off week before the season starts.
 
We are a worse team because we lost good players who were seniors or entered the draft last year. Then we lost a WR most thought would be competing for the starting job to an ACL injury in Cager. Then we lost our two best players on defense in AQM and Grace and a solid LB who had experience in Young. I don't care what you say about us being able to handle those losses, that hurts the overall talent on our team. I do think our players will improve, but if you think the talent on our team currently is better than it was last year, you're crazy. I'm not saying these Freshman aren't going to eventually be better than the players they replace but they aren't yet.

I will give you Burns, Grace and AQM. Cager, we will miss those 70 yards from last year. How will we manage with targets like Njoku and Cooley? If we only had an older Heisman candidate at QB, that would be great. The O-Line and D-Line are older and better. We have some new kids (like Willis) on the DL too. Elder is still here and getting better coaching.

We have some issues at LB and nobody will deny that. I don't think the talent, assuming there were no coaching changes, is such a dramatic difference from last year.

I don't think you truly realize how bad the coaching was at Miami. Especially on defense. *** that, the offensive coaching was trash too. These kids get three warm up games and an off week before the season starts.

Don't forget about Deon Bush. Willis will heavily be in the rotation, but he's not a starter. We lost our best Defensive Lineman. The person replacing him just broke his hand; Sure he'll be able to play with a cast, but he won't be as good with it. Elder is here, but Colbert is new at CB, and it's not like Redwine's proved anything yet. A couple months ago we were all in agreement that CB was going to be our weakest position on Defense and DL was going to be our strongest. Now we are in a position of starting all FR LBs and that has overtaken CB as weakest position. Then we lost our best player at our strongest position. Honestly the only net positive addition to our defense has really been Shaq.

I know just how bad coaches we had. And I understand the difference in coaching Richt and Co (Especially Kool) will make. We will be better on Offense than we were last year talent wise. But I don't think we will be better on Defense talent wise. But that is where coaching comes in. I also don't know why you think App State away is a cupcake game. It's a huge setup game to lose. Going against GTech's run game with FR LB's isn't exactly easy. VTech on a short week with ND right after is a trap game. And obviously FSU and ND are going to be hard to win period.
10 Wins in the regular season would be a huge deal for us, We haven't won 10 games in over a decade. 10 Wins would be an absolutely great season for us, and probably as good as we could hope for.
 
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10 Wins in the regular season would be a huge deal for us, We haven't won 10 games in over a decade. 10 Wins would be an absolutely great season for us, and probably as good as we could hope for.

Wow. I don't know how to respond seriously because your logic is so flawed.

I am just going to disagree.
 
10 Wins in the regular season would be a huge deal for us, We haven't won 10 games in over a decade. 10 Wins would be an absolutely great season for us, and probably as good as we could hope for.

Wow. I don't know how to respond seriously because your logic is so flawed.

I am just going to disagree.

Makes perfect sense to me.

10 wins when you havent won 10 games in forever is a big deal.
 
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10 Wins in the regular season would be a huge deal for us, We haven't won 10 games in over a decade. 10 Wins would be an absolutely great season for us, and probably as good as we could hope for.

Wow. I don't know how to respond seriously because your logic is so flawed.

I am just going to disagree.

Makes perfect sense to me.

10 wins when you havent won 10 games in forever is a big deal.

Tin Foil Club?
 
10 Wins in the regular season would be a huge deal for us, We haven't won 10 games in over a decade. 10 Wins would be an absolutely great season for us, and probably as good as we could hope for.

Wow. I don't know how to respond seriously because your logic is so flawed.

I am just going to disagree.

Makes perfect sense to me.

10 wins when you havent won 10 games in forever is a big deal.

Tin Foil Club?

I mean I'm not saying 10 wins will always be considered a great season or such a big deal for us. But this year, it definitely would be.
 
10 Wins in the regular season would be a huge deal for us, We haven't won 10 games in over a decade. 10 Wins would be an absolutely great season for us, and probably as good as we could hope for.

Wow. I don't know how to respond seriously because your logic is so flawed.

I am just going to disagree.

Makes perfect sense to me.

10 wins when you havent won 10 games in forever is a big deal.

Tin Foil Club?

I mean I'm not saying 10 wins will always be considered a great season or such a big deal for us. But this year, it definitely would be.

You're confusing why I commented on that part of your porst. We have had some of the worst coaching in the past _____ years. Some of those atrocious coaches (so bad they may never get similar employment) were able to win 9 games. Not only were they able to win 9 games, they had the opportunity to win 10 (Golden was 9-3 before the bowl game, Shannon was the same).

Winning 10 games, especially after some potatoes almost did it, is not an achievement at all. I don't think some of you realize how awful these coaches were. These coaches were so ***ing useless that the kids were able to coach themselves and win 8 games during the regular season. They even had the opportunity to match Golden and Shannon.

So to repeat:

1. Two potatoes almost won 10 games

2. Kids without coaches almost won 9 games.

3. Regardless of the talent, the schedule is much easier (over 2015).

4. Richt and his staff are a tremendous upgrade over anything we have had in the last _____ years.

Now that these kids have competent coaches and time (3 cupcakes and an off-week), there is no reason to think that this is such a great season.
 
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Kaaya gives me confidence in any game. FSU has way more talent but Kaaya vs the freshmen will equal a win for us. As I watch Tennessee struggle with App State, I'm just thinking Kaaya would light this secondary up. It's just a game changer to have an elite pocket passing QB.
 
...can win 10+ games last year but we can't expect 10 here.

Wisconsin was on its 3rd HC in 4 years. First year HC. No QB. Zero passing threat. P5 conference. 10 wins.

New HC at Michigan. Bad QB that Iowa dumped. Coming off a 5 win season. They won 10.

UNC was engulfed in NCAA ****. Coming off a 7 or 8 win season. Embattled HC. They win 11.

Poor mouthers, tell me why UM can't expect to do at least as well as sorry *** Wisconsin.

Every fan still around is within 4 generations of Larry Coker, twice removed.

Apathy comes with the territory, one-drop rule and all.
 
Very familiar. Threads like this are exceptionally popular on fan sites, as opposed to wagering oriented sites where the mathematical aspect is better understood.

Wisconsin, Michigan and North Carolina were all favored by 6 points or more 9 times last season, per the consensus closing line. Contrast to the 2015 Canes, who were favored by 6+ only 4 times. Right now the over/under on the 2016 Canes would be 5 games favored by 6+.

Again, it's not all that complicated. In our best recent season -- 2013 -- we won 9 games while being favored by 6+ in 8 games. Believe it or not, those season win over/unders are not a wild subjective stab, an impression they hey the 2016 Miami Hurricanes seem like a 7.5 team so let's hang that number. Pointspread projections are made of every game, and the associated money lines attached. Those money lines when applied to the appropriate formula spit out the logical season win forecast. In 2013 with a favorable schedule and a relatively high power rating we were projected to be considerable favorite quite often, hence our season win over/under was initially 9.5, although it was bet down to 9 in some spots in late August.

Wisconsin in 2015 didn't do anything remarkable. Their season win over/under (regular season only) opened at 10 despite being a double digit underdog in the opener against Alabama. Some spots were bet down to 9.5 late. North Carolina was 8 while Michigan was 7.5 then bet up to 8 at many joints in the late weeks.

When I first was hired as sportsbook supervisor in 1989 but didn't know much about the applicable math toward those season win totals and future book odds, one of the chief oddsmakers pulled me aside and tutored. It was really an eye opener. His first advice on football was to look at those games in which a team was projected to be favored by a touchdown. Those games, he explained carried roughly -250 win expectancy, or theoretically 5 chances in 7. Once it reaches that level there begins to be some substantial advantage, as opposed to 3 or 4 point spreads. Besides, he said, the games with a touchdown projected spread in preseason are more likely to reach double digits at actual gametime than they were to reverse favoritism at gametime. None of this is linear. The advantage swells upward as the pointspread increases.

BTW, NFL favorites win more dependably than college favorites, so those NFL money lines are higher at the same spread than college favorites. Basketball favorites win more dependably than football chalk so those basketball money line charts are higher than football charts. Regardless, the money line fits very well at each pointspread. Plug and play. If you evaluate hundreds or thousands of results at each spread and in each sport as a block, you'll see that the favorite won the game almost exactly as often as the money line predicted they would. That in itself shoots down the laughably ignorant notion that the pointspread is not a prediction of the outcome, but merely serves to balance the action. I always have to chuckle at geniuses who supply that line. Power ratings and home field provide the spread. The spread points to the money line. The money line provides win likelihood. And a scatter plot of results in relation to the spread reveals normal and logical distribution over time.

The 2016 Canes can certainly win 10 games. But it will require our power rating shooting up a full touchdown or more during the course of the season, like Michigan's did last year. Otherwise we are relying on outliers and upsets and coin flips. Only knuckleheads rely on outliers and upsets and coin flips. That was one of the jolts I received upon joining message boards in the late '90s. I had no idea that despicable cats were so popular, and I had no idea outliers were so prized. In my Las Vegas sportsbook environment sure you hear about outliers but the people touting them have to grasp and announce the 8/1 burden, or 15/1 burden, or 30/1 burden, or whatever. Otherwise they will be laughed of the stage, and rightfully so.

Somehow on message boards, particularly sports message boards, it is popular and accepted to try to deflect a pronouncement via use of an outlier example. One relatively meaningless exception and the poster somehow believes the point has been diffused, that the 90%+ foundation holds no worth. Hilarious. But I've learned to accept it. It goes on everywhere, not merely here. Those posters know there is a market for the high decibel outliers, just like certain political authors know they can lap up SAM sales and SAM acclaim via use of blunt titles like "Outrage" and "Slander."

The ACC Coastal is unusually condensed. That's one of our hurdles toward 10 wins or nearby. The power ratings of every team in that division are within 10 points of each other entering 2016. North Carolina tops the Sagarin numbers at 81 then it drops no lower than 71. You won't find congestion like that in any other conference or division. It's the reason the 2016 Canes can't rely on normalcy...wonderful normalcy...as opposed to outliers and upsets and coin flips. Richt's job -- now and more likely toward future seasons -- is to bump the power rating to the degree that road games like Georgia Tech, Virginia and North Carolina State carry 6+ point theoretical advantage. Those road games against mid level conference teams dot the schedule every season. That's where the extra wins show up, when those games are comfortably taken.

So give us your predictions, dilweed. lulz. Prove you're as smart as you're trying to sound.

Assy Booger is known as the biggest blowhard in the history of UM sites. All he does is tell you how smart and great and successful he is. He never shows you though. Never provides any actual substance.

lol **** yeah. I have never ONCE seen this shyster actually back up his mega rants with actual PREDICTIONS. Not even ONCE.

Yo Dooger, give us peons slow witted neanderthals some help, bruh. Let's see you put up some actual bets for everyone to see so we can all sit slack jawed with amazement at your giant brain.
 
Wow. I don't know how to respond seriously because your logic is so flawed.

I am just going to disagree.

Makes perfect sense to me.

10 wins when you havent won 10 games in forever is a big deal.

Tin Foil Club?

I mean I'm not saying 10 wins will always be considered a great season or such a big deal for us. But this year, it definitely would be.


1. Two potatoes almost won 10 games

2. Kids without coaches almost won 9 games.

3. Regardless of the talent, the schedule is much easier (over 2015).

4. Richt and his staff are a tremendous upgrade over anything we have had in the last _____ years.

Now that these kids have competent coaches and time (3 cupcakes and an off-week), there is no reason to think that this is such a great season.

1. Not really, Golden was fired mid way during the year, which IMO definitely helped us win more games than we would have.
2. Talent always wins games. But we aren't as talented this year as we were last year, and I already explained why.
3. No, the schedule isn't Much Easier. It's basically the same difficulty, which I explained earlier.
4. Obviously this is undeniable.

Once again, if you saw anything that happened today you'd know App State isn't a cupcake, especially on the road. Not saying we're going to lose, but it's not an easy game. We still have a difficult October, just like last year. We are a young team with a new coaching staff. You're the one failing to understand that to go from us winning 8 games last year to winning 10 games this year is a big improvement still.
Like I've been saying. If we beat FSU, Make the ACC Championship game, and win a bowl game, the season is a success, regardless if we get 10 W's or not.
 
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