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TheToadSage said:
He hired green after green after green assistants and its killing him esp on the recruiting trail
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It’s defintely a questionable strategy. Is it cause Miami won’t give him the money, he prefers to have complete control or he truly believes these are the best hires?
 
The Franchise said:
Yep. And Diaz made the defense this year. The players had nothing to do with it. You guys are so dopey logic just flies out the window when you ham-handedly attempt to negotiate your way through any discussion.
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hows shannons defense look with UCF

craig krenzel still running for 1st downs somewhere
 
skeeter said:
I'm talking the shannon years as a head coach. But yes we did have better defenses in the championship years of course...Also, I would prob argue with you that outside of the 1-3 year span with the 1st round monsters everywhere Shannon's defenses started to go downhill in the mid-late Coker years...When there were only like 3-5 1st rounders out there instead of 8. Overall I think Shannon was very average, but yeah miscommunication on my part...In our original comparison, I meant him as a HC aka "The Shannon Years"
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The defenses weren’t great for the most part when Shannon was HC. They weren’t great under Diaz either except for this year. Not sure how much of the success this year had to do with us facing one of the worst list of offenses in recent memory.

Back to the original point. Diaz didn’t invent good defense at UM. UM made Diaz, not the other way. Diaz was a journeyman DC with very spotty results and no top defenses on his resume. After 3 years coaching these dogs he’s a HC.
 
The Franchise said:
Yep. And Diaz made the defense this year. The players had nothing to do with it. You guys are so dopey logic just flies out the window when you ham-handedly attempt to negotiate your way through any discussion.
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Diaz has inexplicably become this board legend over showing up and being an slightly above average DC in this last stint after struggling at his last two spots. Did we field good defenses the last few years? Yes we did but there were issues as well. We werent that dominant and LSU and Clemson exposed that.
 
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The Franchise said:
Nah. I’m no Shannon fan, but Shannon’s UM defenses **** on Diaz’s. His 2001 defense is far superior, and the 2003 defense was one of the best I’ve ever seen. That was a truly championship defense, but Berlin made Malik look like Elway.
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The dozen or so top draft choices and future HOF’s would make anyone’s defense look otherworldly...Shannon has sucked since all those guys left and he’s had to coach with normal players..
 
bobbydigius said:
Diaz has inexplicably become this board legend over showing up and being an slightly above average DC in this last stint after struggling at his last two spots. Did we field good defenses the last few years? Yes we did but there were issues as well. We werent that dominant and LSU and Clemson exposed that.
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He struggled at one spot, and the program was falling apart (Texas), was he Brett Venables at La.Tech and Miss State, no? But he was an above average DC.
 
skeeter said:
He struggled at one spot, and the program was falling apart (Texas), was he Brett Venables at La.Tech and Miss State, no? But he was an above average DC.
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I don't think anyone seriously thinks Diaz wasn't an above average DC. I think people (rightfully so) are trying to be realistic when people try to put Diaz on the same level of say Venerables of Aranda. Diaz was good while he was with Miami and knew what a successful defense would look like at Miami, unlike his predecessor. Doesn't mean that Diaz walks on water.
 
orange&green84 said:
I don't think anyone seriously thinks Diaz wasn't an above average DC. I think people (rightfully so) are trying to be realistic when people try to put Diaz on the same level of say Venerables of Aranda. Diaz was good while he was with Miami and knew what a successful defense would look like at Miami, unlike his predecessor. Doesn't mean that Diaz walks on water.
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I hear ya. He did establish a defensive culture here (half of cfb honestly doesn’t care about D anymore so that’s an accomplishment)...and i do think he took the next step in approaching that upper echelon.

He has a distinct defensive style and it worked here
 
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HurricaneHauk said:
hows shannons defense look with UCF

craig krenzel still running for 1st downs somewhere
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As a DC, total Defense Ranking
2001 – 6th
2002 – 7th
2003 – 2nd
2004 – 28th
2005 – 4th
2006 – 7th
2015- 15th (co-DC)
2016- 8th (co-DC)
2017- 5th
2018- 86th - but wait there's more: #23 scoring defense (by comparison, Miami had the #15 scoring defense)

Shannon pulled his weight in 2018 despite the total defense numbers.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to claim that Randy Shannon isn't an elite DC.
 
TimeB0mb said:
As a DC, total Defense Ranking
2001 – 6th
2002 – 7th
2003 – 2nd
2004 – 28th
2005 – 4th
2006 – 7th
2015- 15th (co-DC)
2016- 8th (co-DC)
2017- 5th
2018- 86th - but wait there's more: #23 scoring defense (by comparison, Miami had the #15 scoring defense)

Shannon pulled his weight in 2018 despite the total defense numbers.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to claim that Randy Shannon isn't an elite DC.
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Why are you going by total defense? Scoring defense matters, you know like not letting the opponent get on the board.

2017 Gators gave up 27.3 points a game, good for 62nd in the country

2015-2016, Geoff Collins was the DC, known fact.

2018 they were 36 at 23.2 ppg giving up 36 to FAU, 30/41 memphis, 40 to temple..they literally faced nobodies

Not even going to bother going back to 2001-2006 because the game has evolved so much, unless using your logic you're happy with richt because those years he'd be considered a very good coach.

There's a reason why "elite" randy shannon is at freaking UCF
 
bobbydigius said:
Diaz has inexplicably become this board legend over showing up and being an slightly above average DC in this last stint after struggling at his last two spots. Did we field good defenses the last few years? Yes we did but there were issues as well. We werent that dominant and LSU and Clemson exposed that.
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Exactly. They’ve turned him into some sort of deity. He was pretty average for two years and had a very good year this year against horrific offenses.
 
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I keep scratching my head and asking who we played this year that had any type of offensive fire power that we stopped cold (besides LSU and they took their foot off of the gas in the 4th qtr). Great year statistically against a weak division.
 
LMAO. People are still playing the extremes on Diaz after he's gone?

For those who dug their heels (and there are plenty of quoted posts in our archives) on him being ****tier than what he ended up being, there are still pot shots based on nothing more than message board opinion. The types who probably still don't believe in yards/play as a truer measure of defense than total D.

To those anchored to him being a superhero, there's a weird belief his results (perhaps not his approach or style) are going to be impossible to duplicate. A good DC who adjusts can get excellent results at Miami. That's what I think Coach Diaz was here. His style fit and he finally adjusted to what the numbers said were weaknesses in his defense. There's really no debating that aspect.

Glad we can keep up the solid, cyclical discussion and defend old, stale, sometimes incorrect positions. Good times.
 
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Let’s get back to Stevenson....and let’s look at the offers

Has there been anymore offs given out any safety’s since he was supposed to sign? That will tell us everything.
 
LuCane said:
LMAO. People are still playing the extremes on Diaz after he's gone?

For those who dug their heels (and there are plenty of quoted posts in our archives) on him being ****tier than what he ended up being, there are still pot shots based on nothing more than message board opinion. The types who probably still don't believe in yards/play as a truer measure of defense than total D.

To those anchored to him being a superhero, there's a weird belief his results (perhaps not his approach or style) are going to be impossible to duplicate. A good DC who adjusts can get excellent results at Miami. That's what I think Coach Diaz was here. His style fit and he finally adjusted to what the numbers said were weaknesses in his defense. There's really no debating that aspect.

Glad we can keep up the solid, cyclical discussion and defend old, stale, sometimes incorrect positions. Good times.
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More than anything, Diaz implemented a mentality. Me and you had been asking for it for 15 years. He preached it, recruited it and schemed it.

That’s why I think Richt promoted from within. He wanted to maintain the mentality.
 
DMoney said:
More than anything, Diaz implemented a mentality. Me and you had been asking for it for 15 years. He preached it, recruited it and schemed it.

That’s why I think Richt promoted from within. He wanted to maintain the mentality.
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That’s a nice way to spin it; however, I firmly believe he hired from w/in b/c it was easier and it was nice comfort level for him. Richt has always preached continuity and hiring a staff he’s comfortable w. That’s a **** poor mentality, imo, and it’s why the culture is stagnant. Everyone knew Diaz was bouncing b/c u could tell there was a little frustration brewing. With two guys who have 0 experience, who’s going to check Richt?
 
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