Stadium renovation

[Calinative]

Can someone explain why one would still complain about the seats not being closer? Isn't the plan to add seats closer, something like an additional 10 rows is what I thought I read. So if you sit in row one, it will be row 11 in the new setup. If you want to be closer, you would then request the new row 1.

Yes, they could move closer, but what you aren't understanding is that that does nothing for every other seat in the stadium. Literally what should have happened from the beginning is the physical stadium should never have been so far away from the sideline in the first place. Everything should have been packed tighter to the field. and that doesn't affect how much leg room you have either by the way for that person that was saying he's 6'4"

 

[eliteproxy]

6 rows of seats that are "closer" ?

the entire stadium is so flat that there is no such thing as a good seat. if I REALLY want to watch a game and see every play.. i stay home.. i actually prefer traveling to games with some really cool college stadiums where I can see the games.

I never understood these stadium architects that don't fulfill the #1 goal ... fan experience of the game.

 

[canes1977]

6 rows of seats that are "closer" ?

the entire stadium is so flat that there is no such thing as a good seat. if I REALLY want to watch a game and see every play.. i stay home.. i actually prefer traveling to games with some really cool college stadiums where I can see the games.

I never understood these stadium architects that don't fulfill the #1 goal ... fan experience of the game.

Fan experience is the #1 goal now since high-def, big screen TVs are keeping fans at home. It wasnt the top goal in the 80's when this stadium was constructed. It was constructed to maximize revenue by making it a multi-sport stadium.

 

[TheCaneShow]

6 rows of seats that are "closer" ?

the entire stadium is so flat that there is no such thing as a good seat. if I REALLY want to watch a game and see every play.. i stay home.. i actually prefer traveling to games with some really cool college stadiums where I can see the games.

I never understood these stadium architects that don't fulfill the #1 goal ... fan experience of the game.

There are a lot of schools who play in far more awful buildings than ours if you want to talk in terms of strictly the building they play in and not the fan experience.

 

[CaneStuck@USF]

Our fans are the worst. They come up with any excuse to not go to a game. There are no good seats in the stadium, I'm too far away from the field, the sun is too bright, I don't like the music, the defense doesn't show up so why should I, etc etc. Just excuses to not support the team. Granted, Sun Life doesn't have the magic and mystique of the OB, but the stadium is not as bad as everyone constantly makes it out to be. My season tickets are in the 8th row of section 154 and I have absolutely no problem seeing everything on the field. And when a play is over, I look up and have a replay on a monstrous HD screen. On top of that, the tailgating is great. The parking lots are huge. I don't have to park in some illegal's backyard for $40 because there is no parking available in the stadium lots. There are tons of concessions and tons of bathrooms that don't leak overflowing urine on to patrons as they enter the stadium. And it is probably one of the easiest stadiums in the country to commute to and from given its convenient location off the turnpike. There are a lot of things that could be better about the situation. But listening to some of our fans ***** and moan you would think that we are playing in some dirt bowl in a third world country.

 

[MizCane]

better than nothing, but still blows. 98% of seats will still be way too far.

The atmosphere and crowd noise should improve dramatically with the addition of the roof. Plus, it won't be as scorchingly hot and sunny in the So Fla summers.

If the only thing left to complain about is that most of the seats are too far away, I'd say they've done pretty well and fixed about 75-80% of the problems.

he is literally pulling that out of his a$$. the whole idea of this renovation is to move seats closer to the field and there are plenty of good seats now. certainly enough for the amount of fans that show up.

How exactly would they move seats closer to the field? They are adding seats closer, but the existing stands, which will still account for 95+% of the seats will still be far as **** from the field! like they've always been. The playing surface at Sunlife is so wide you can literally fit two fields side by side in there. It's too **** big. It was a stupid design.

It was made for football and baseball you ******* idiot. You think they thought it was a good idea to make it like that just for football? rocks for brains!

 

[Dingaan1828]

It was built as a multipurpose stadium. Most of those were round and sucked for every sport they could be used for. This one is almost square, and also sucks for almost all sports it could be used for, except soccer. The renovation will make it better. Will it make it a true football stadium? Probably, most likely, no.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

The atmosphere and crowd noise should improve dramatically with the addition of the roof. Plus, it won't be as scorchingly hot and sunny in the So Fla summers.

If the only thing left to complain about is that most of the seats are too far away, I'd say they've done pretty well and fixed about 75-80% of the problems.

he is literally pulling that out of his a$$. the whole idea of this renovation is to move seats closer to the field and there are plenty of good seats now. certainly enough for the amount of fans that show up.

How exactly would they move seats closer to the field? They are adding seats closer, but the existing stands, which will still account for 95+% of the seats will still be far as **** from the field! like they've always been. The playing surface at Sunlife is so wide you can literally fit two fields side by side in there. It's too **** big. It was a stupid design.

It was made for football and baseball you ******* idiot. You think they thought it was a good idea to make it like that just for football? rocks for brains!

Dumb****, it was made for football and soccer, and so that it could be modified for baseball later, and it was a bad idea to begin with beacuse it sucks for all three (except maybe soccer, and who ******* cares about soccer). I know what they were thinking, it was still stupid. Thanks for your contribution, now stfu and let the adults talk.

Actually, no. It was made for football and baseball, and so that it could potentially be modified for soccer. I've posted the link from when the stadium was build that describes this more than once on this board; I'll see if I can find it again. Whatever the case, rest assured that football and baseball were the main reasons, with the additional hopeful benefit that the stadium might also occasionally host a soccer game.

 

[BigCaneAl]

he is literally pulling that out of his a$$. the whole idea of this renovation is to move seats closer to the field and there are plenty of good seats now. certainly enough for the amount of fans that show up.

How exactly would they move seats closer to the field? They are adding seats closer, but the existing stands, which will still account for 95+% of the seats will still be far as **** from the field! like they've always been. The playing surface at Sunlife is so wide you can literally fit two fields side by side in there. It's too **** big. It was a stupid design.

It was made for football and baseball you ******* idiot. You think they thought it was a good idea to make it like that just for football? rocks for brains!

Dumb****, it was made for football and soccer, and so that it could be modified for baseball later, and it was a bad idea to begin with beacuse it sucks for all three (except maybe soccer, and who ******* cares about soccer). I know what they were thinking, it was still stupid. Thanks for your contribution, now stfu and let the adults talk.

Actually, no. It was made for football and baseball, and so that it could potentially be modified for soccer. I've posted the link from when the stadium was build that describes this more than once on this board; I'll see if I can find it again. Whatever the case, rest assured that football and baseball were the main reasons, with the additional hopeful benefit that the stadium might also occasionally host a soccer game.

Well, since we are wildly off topic...might as well keep going. Can you clarify how it was "built" for baseball yet was later modified at millions in expense to accommodate...and exactly what modifications took place for soccer?

It was built so it could be modified for baseball, which it was. Day 1 was football and soccer.

Anyway, I think the point is multi purpose equals ****** for all. Especially when it's too **** big for all three.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

How exactly would they move seats closer to the field? They are adding seats closer, but the existing stands, which will still account for 95+% of the seats will still be far as **** from the field! like they've always been. The playing surface at Sunlife is so wide you can literally fit two fields side by side in there. It's too **** big. It was a stupid design.

It was made for football and baseball you ******* idiot. You think they thought it was a good idea to make it like that just for football? rocks for brains!

Dumb****, it was made for football and soccer, and so that it could be modified for baseball later, and it was a bad idea to begin with beacuse it sucks for all three (except maybe soccer, and who ******* cares about soccer). I know what they were thinking, it was still stupid. Thanks for your contribution, now stfu and let the adults talk.

Actually, no. It was made for football and baseball, and so that it could potentially be modified for soccer. I've posted the link from when the stadium was build that describes this more than once on this board; I'll see if I can find it again. Whatever the case, rest assured that football and baseball were the main reasons, with the additional hopeful benefit that the stadium might also occasionally host a soccer game.

Well, since we are wildly off topic...might as well keep going. Can you clarify how it was "built" for baseball yet was later modified at millions in expense to accommodate...and exactly what modifications took place for soccer?

It was built so it could be modified for baseball, which it was. Day 1 was football and soccer.

Anyway, I think the point is multi purpose equals ****** for all. Especially when it's too **** big for all three.

I don't think we're off topic.

The person you responded to said it was built for football and baseball. You got snippy and said it was built for football and soccer, with baseball as an afterthought. I'm saying that you're wrong, that Joe Robbie intended it as a football/baseball stadium, and that soccer was the afterthought.

Here's a snippet from wiki...not the best source, but it gets to my point:

"Robbie believed it was only a matter of time before a Major League Baseball team came to South Florida. At his request, the stadium was built so only minimal renovations would be necessary to ready it for a baseball team.Most notably, the field was made somewhat wider than is normally the case for an NFL stadium. The wide field also makes it fairly easy to convert the stadium for soccer."

In other words, Robbie's first concern after football was to make sure that it could potentially house a new baseball team. Soccer was an added bonus, but was not a great concern because it wouldn't have been in use as often or have generated as much revenue as a baseball stadium in which fans show up to ~80 games/yr.

That said, yes I agree that multipurpose stadiums suck.

 

[BigCaneAl]

It was made for football and baseball you ******* idiot. You think they thought it was a good idea to make it like that just for football? rocks for brains!

Dumb****, it was made for football and soccer, and so that it could be modified for baseball later, and it was a bad idea to begin with beacuse it sucks for all three (except maybe soccer, and who ******* cares about soccer). I know what they were thinking, it was still stupid. Thanks for your contribution, now stfu and let the adults talk.

Actually, no. It was made for football and baseball, and so that it could potentially be modified for soccer. I've posted the link from when the stadium was build that describes this more than once on this board; I'll see if I can find it again. Whatever the case, rest assured that football and baseball were the main reasons, with the additional hopeful benefit that the stadium might also occasionally host a soccer game.

Well, since we are wildly off topic...might as well keep going. Can you clarify how it was "built" for baseball yet was later modified at millions in expense to accommodate...and exactly what modifications took place for soccer?

It was built so it could be modified for baseball, which it was. Day 1 was football and soccer.

Anyway, I think the point is multi purpose equals ****** for all. Especially when it's too **** big for all three.

I don't think we're off topic.

The person you responded to said it was built for football and baseball. You got snippy and said it was built for football and soccer, with baseball as an afterthought. I'm saying that you're wrong, that Joe Robbie intended it as a football/baseball stadium, and that soccer was the afterthought.

Here's a snippet from wiki...not the best source, but it gets to my point:

"Robbie believed it was only a matter of time before a Major League Baseball team came to South Florida. At his request, the stadium was built so only minimal renovations would be necessary to ready it for a baseball team.Most notably, the field was made somewhat wider than is normally the case for an NFL stadium. The wide field also makes it fairly easy to convert the stadium for soccer."

In other words, Robbie's first concern after football was to make sure that it could potentially house a new baseball team. Soccer was an added bonus, but was not a great concern because it wouldn't have been in use as often or have generated as much revenue as a baseball stadium in which fans show up to ~80 games/yr.

That said, yes I agree that multipurpose stadiums suck.

Well, you're wrong...read my post about baseball and tell me where I said afterthought? I said "built so it could modified for baseball afterwards"....how is that wrong exactly? It's pretty much exactly what Wikipedia says, and I appreciate you making my point.

If anyone is off base it was your comment about being built for football and baseball and potentially modified for soccer....so here's me getting snippy again, you're wrong and you appear to lack reading comprehension skills. So do you want to go another lap on this or can we move on?

 

[INCaneFan]

Also, if I'm not mistaken, they're supposed to be putting in a lot of big-*** TV's (see pics above) to help with the fact that you can't see the action clearly.

No offense, but the idea of "big *** tv's" so you can see the action clearly is somewhat laughable. Stay home in that case.

Anyhow, an improvement will be getting some of the sun off of people and we'll see about the rest. The outside look is certainly an improvement though.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Dumb****, it was made for football and soccer, and so that it could be modified for baseball later, and it was a bad idea to begin with beacuse it sucks for all three (except maybe soccer, and who ******* cares about soccer). I know what they were thinking, it was still stupid. Thanks for your contribution, now stfu and let the adults talk.

Actually, no. It was made for football and baseball, and so that it could potentially be modified for soccer. I've posted the link from when the stadium was build that describes this more than once on this board; I'll see if I can find it again. Whatever the case, rest assured that football and baseball were the main reasons, with the additional hopeful benefit that the stadium might also occasionally host a soccer game.

Well, since we are wildly off topic...might as well keep going. Can you clarify how it was "built" for baseball yet was later modified at millions in expense to accommodate...and exactly what modifications took place for soccer?

It was built so it could be modified for baseball, which it was. Day 1 was football and soccer.

Anyway, I think the point is multi purpose equals ****** for all. Especially when it's too **** big for all three.

I don't think we're off topic.

The person you responded to said it was built for football and baseball. You got snippy and said it was built for football and soccer, with baseball as an afterthought. I'm saying that you're wrong, that Joe Robbie intended it as a football/baseball stadium, and that soccer was the afterthought.

Here's a snippet from wiki...not the best source, but it gets to my point:

"Robbie believed it was only a matter of time before a Major League Baseball team came to South Florida. At his request, the stadium was built so only minimal renovations would be necessary to ready it for a baseball team.Most notably, the field was made somewhat wider than is normally the case for an NFL stadium. The wide field also makes it fairly easy to convert the stadium for soccer."

In other words, Robbie's first concern after football was to make sure that it could potentially house a new baseball team. Soccer was an added bonus, but was not a great concern because it wouldn't have been in use as often or have generated as much revenue as a baseball stadium in which fans show up to ~80 games/yr.

That said, yes I agree that multipurpose stadiums suck.

Well, you're wrong...read my post about baseball and tell me where I said afterthought? I said "built so it could modified for baseball afterwards"....how is that wrong exactly? It's pretty much exactly what Wikipedia says, and I appreciate you making my point.

If anyone is off base it was your comment about being built for football and baseball and potentially modified for soccer....so here's me getting snippy again, you're wrong and you appear to lack reading comprehension skills. So do you want to go another lap on this or can we move on?

LOL...ok, you win, chief. I lack reading comprehension, despite the fact that you clearly said it was made for football and soccer, while the Wiki post clearly says the the main motivation was football and baseball.

You're clearly right.

Yes, let's move on.

 

[niner]

Can someone explain why one would still complain about the seats not being closer? Isn't the plan to add seats closer, something like an additional 10 rows is what I thought I read. So if you sit in row one, it will be row 11 in the new setup. If you want to be closer, you would then request the new row 1.

Yes, they could move closer, but what you aren't understanding is that that does nothing for every other seat in the stadium. Literally what should have happened from the beginning is the physical stadium should never have been so far away from the sideline in the first place. Everything should have been packed tighter to the field. and that doesn't affect how much leg room you have either by the way for that person that was saying he's 6'4"

Legit Complaint: Row 1 seats are not close enough

Resolution via Renovation : Adding seats closer to field, you can now be closer in the new row 1. Everyone else can also move up.

New Complaint 1: My row 40 seats in the upper deck are not being moved closer, does nothing for me.
New/Old Complaint 2: Why was this done that way in the first place.

 

[Dingaan1828]

I don't think any seats in the upper deck, club level, or suites will be closer. That's 48,000 seats that aren't affected. Of the remaining 27,000 or so lower deck seats, only the sideline seats are affected. So, unless you sit in the lower deck, sideline seats, you won't be any closer.

Mathematically, the average UD seat will be closer because they are removing the seats that are farthest away (the upper corners). But there are no closer seats.

I think I've got that right. Does anyone see it differently?

 

[rok]

Can someone explain why one would still complain about the seats not being closer? Isn't the plan to add seats closer, something like an additional 10 rows is what I thought I read. So if you sit in row one, it will be row 11 in the new setup. If you want to be closer, you would then request the new row 1.

Yes, they could move closer, but what you aren't understanding is that that does nothing for every other seat in the stadium. Literally what should have happened from the beginning is the physical stadium should never have been so far away from the sideline in the first place. Everything should have been packed tighter to the field. and that doesn't affect how much leg room you have either by the way for that person that was saying he's 6'4"

Legit Complaint: Row 1 seats are not close enough

Resolution via Renovation : Adding seats closer to field, you can now be closer in the new row 1. Everyone else can also move up.

New Complaint 1: My row 40 seats in the upper deck are not being moved closer, does nothing for me.
New/Old Complaint 2: Why was this done that way in the first place.

Those new seats on the sideline will be so low that you won't be able to see any action. The slope/grade of the lower bowl is the problem.

 

[niner]

Can someone explain why one would still complain about the seats not being closer? Isn't the plan to add seats closer, something like an additional 10 rows is what I thought I read. So if you sit in row one, it will be row 11 in the new setup. If you want to be closer, you would then request the new row 1.

Yes, they could move closer, but what you aren't understanding is that that does nothing for every other seat in the stadium. Literally what should have happened from the beginning is the physical stadium should never have been so far away from the sideline in the first place. Everything should have been packed tighter to the field. and that doesn't affect how much leg room you have either by the way for that person that was saying he's 6'4"

Legit Complaint: Row 1 seats are not close enough

Resolution via Renovation : Adding seats closer to field, you can now be closer in the new row 1. Everyone else can also move up.

New Complaint 1: My row 40 seats in the upper deck are not being moved closer, does nothing for me.
New/Old Complaint 2: Why was this done that way in the first place.

Those new seats on the sideline will be so low that you won't be able to see any action. The slope/grade of the lower bowl is the problem.

If they will be lower, I am not sure. I keep hearing they will be re-doing the lower bowl so not sure if that means they will adjust the the height. Lets say they dont. The current first row is higher than that of the OB first row, I've sat in both first rows. I was always under the impression the problem was that the first row was further away from the sideline, which it is.

You can see the first sideline row is lower at the OB, see the wall, compared to Sun Life.

 

[Lingo]

New features will include:

Open air canopy to provide shade/cover
Brand new seats in the entire stadium
Completely renovated concourses and concessions,
Brand new suites
Several brand new/unique seating & club options for fans, businesses and families
4 new high-definition video boards in each corner of the stadium
The stadium will be modernized in two phases, in a manner that will not impact any football games. Many of the renovations will be done for the 2015 season and the remainder will be completed by the 2016 season.

 

[itsacanething]

New features will include:

Open air canopy to provide shade/cover
Brand new seats in the entire stadium
Completely renovated concourses and concessions,
Brand new suites
Several brand new/unique seating & club options for fans, businesses and families
4 new high-definition video boards in each corner of the stadium
The stadium will be modernized in two phases, in a manner that will not impact any football games. Many of the renovations will be done for the 2015 season and the remainder will be completed by the 2016 season.

as far as i am concerned reducing the capacity of the stadium by itself will go a long way in improving the atmosphere. its the vastness and the empty seats the always stand out to me when i attend an average 40-45,000 game. now combine that with a redesign of the lower seating area, including at least some seats closer to the field and the other improvements and the stadium is better. is it in the ideal location or the best stadium for us? probably not. but the whining and *****ing here is truly astounding. the place is going to be nicer than pretty much every college stadium when they complete these renovations. its up to the fans to fill the place. the school can't do that for us.

 

[4th-and-14]

no mention of moving seats closer to the field

http://www.miamidolphins.com/newstadium.html

New features will include:

Open air canopy to provide shade/cover
Brand new seats in the entire stadium
Completely renovated concourses and concessions,
Brand new suites
Several brand new/unique seating & club options for fans, businesses and families
4 new high-definition video boards in each corner of the stadium
The stadium will be modernized in two phases, in a manner that will not impact any football games. Many of the renovations will be done for the 2015 season and the remainder will be completed by the 2016 season.