Sonny Odogwu is a Cane!

The determining factor we all have to recognize is that Sunny is 6'8" 311lbs of good weight, with a basketball players athleticism and long arms.
Are there any other physical attributes you'd like in an offensive tackle?
Talent and attitude? If he didn't have talent and a good/great attitude Golden would never have offered him.
Don't forget Golden doesn't just carpet bomb the country with scholarship offers. Golden is probably the most selective Head Coach from a major college football program in regards to scholarship offering in the country.
Compare Sunny to Seantrel physically and do you see much of a difference? Sunny actually has better physical attributes then Seantrel did at the same age.
So it all comes down to talent and attitude. The talent level is up in the air because none of us non insiders know. The coach's know this kid's ceiling which is why they offered him. I'm guessing his ceiling is through the roof and is only a matter of Sunny working his tail off to develop, and everything I've read about him points to the fact that Sunny has a great attitude.
So the only thing Sunny seems to be missing in blog posters minds is stars next to his name.

On a side note it seems that every time I have turned on a pro football game the past decade or so there is always a Sunny Odagwu type of player not only playing but starring be it Priest Holmes, Arian Foster, Colin Kapaernick etc.,
Just goes to show that from high school on to the pro's that so called experts get it wrong all the time. Just ask a Dallas Cowboys' fan how much he thinks of Jerry Jone's talent judgement.

Excellent post. Most of the OL and DL in the NFL are 3 stars. Fact.

It's a tough position to project from HS to college because a lot of the big kids just push smaller kids around in HS without much effort or technique. You need to find good athletes with the right attitude. The hard part is the attitude evaluation. Seems like Sunny has that in boatloads along with a great frame and good athletic ability.

Freckles Davis used to put a premium on finding big kids who played basketball in HS. Sunny fits that bill too.

I don't see the downside here at all. If you're concerned about his offer list take solace in Sumlin offering him. Sumlin is a pretty smart dude and an offensive wizard.

Your first statement is a bit overzealous...sure, its fact, but that is by proxy of sheer volume. There is usually over 300 "3-star" kids every year...roughly 50 "5-stars" and 150 "4-stars". Give or take a few depending on the service and how they rate players. 5 and 4 star players hit at a higher percentage and trend to play at a higher level than the 3* in any given year.

Sumlin's teams haven't exactly produced NFL talent on the OL...he walked into TAMU with the two best tackles in the country...but, I do agree with what you are getting at...he's not being recruited like a scrub. He's got legit interest/offers. As Mike Bakas would say...he's being recruited like a three star.

With that said, and not pertaining to your post...I think we are all aware that the kid is developmental...Kehoe obviously feels confident in the kid as he's been after him for two years. I like what I've seen from him in regards to growth...glad to see he was able to do that on his "own time" at prep...so he's coming in with a full clock and already grew a ton during that year. That's basically a saved year of development.
 
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Christian Okoye? Check.
****mbe Mutumbo? Check.
Joseph Addai? Check.
hakeem olajuwon? Check.

Don't get me wrong, I think this kid is going to be a winner for us. The hardship he's gone through and the obstacles he's overcome could barely be comprehended by the entitled 5 stars who think they are already in the NFL.
This kid seems like he's going to run through a wall for us and then look for another wall after that.
 
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when I first heard that we were still on him, I wasnt too excited about the thought of him joining this class. That was until I saw his Hargrave picture and saw he morphed from Kevin Durant into Orlando Magic Shaq. Dude is an absolute monster, clearly has some athletic ability as a bball player and has a good head on his shoulders. You really can't ask for anything more than that to work with in an OL prospect. Only thing he lacks is experience, which may not be a horrible thing as he hasnt had much to time to develop bad habits. Kehoe is essentially working with a clean slate on a kid that has elite tangibles. I love this pickup and I dont think anyone should be worrying about numbers because its pretty clear that we are signing around 20 kids. He is not going to be taking a spot from Collins, Coley, Kirkland, AQM, T.Williams, Bryant, Bostwick, 6, Grace or R.Robinson. All those kids want in, you can bet they are in.
 
Just a little logic here. This kid has time to grow (develop as a OL for awhile) and won't be needed in 2013.

We have Mr. Flowers and he finished his freshman season, he will be playing college football for AT LEAST two more years. That is one tackle spot secured up till AT LEAST the 2015 season. Then we have a bunch of kids who could play tackle and will be older and more mature than Sunny (Gadbois or Bunche) in 2014 on the other side. Honestly, lineman aren't supposed to get serious burn from day one and they should be redshirted.

2013 Tackles
Henderson (assuming he stays)
Flowers
Bunche

These 3 are going to get the heavy burn and maybe Gadbois might start getting into the rotation.

2013 OL Depth Chart

C: McDermott (Rd-Jr) and Wheeler (Rd-Sr)
G: Linder (Sr), Felicano (Rd-Jr), Wheeler (Rd-Sr), Isadora (Rd-Fr), Wells (Rd-So)
T: Henderson (Sr), Flowers (So), Bunche (Rd-Jr) and Gadbois (Rd-Fr)

Gall (Fr)
Odogwu (Fr)
Kirkland (Fr) *Assuming he commits*

That looks pretty good.
 
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One more thing, how many lineman do you think we SHOULD have? How many should we have if we lose 5 scholarships?

I normally say a 3 deep at most and maybe that kid who could be a TE or a Tackle (3 C, 6 G, 6 T)

With sanctions, maybe 14 in total (4 T, 2 C, 4 G and 2 kids who can flex 1 C/G and 1 C/T)

I think many of you are concerned with the wrong thing, the numbers are good. It should be the development. After 2013, we lose some good kids (Linder, Henderson) and others will need to step up.
 
The determining factor we all have to recognize is that Sunny is 6'8" 311lbs of good weight, with a basketball players athleticism and long arms.
Are there any other physical attributes you'd like in an offensive tackle?
Talent and attitude? If he didn't have talent and a good/great attitude Golden would never have offered him.
Don't forget Golden doesn't just carpet bomb the country with scholarship offers. Golden is probably the most selective Head Coach from a major college football program in regards to scholarship offering in the country.
Compare Sunny to Seantrel physically and do you see much of a difference? Sunny actually has better physical attributes then Seantrel did at the same age.
So it all comes down to talent and attitude. The talent level is up in the air because none of us non insiders know. The coach's know this kid's ceiling which is why they offered him. I'm guessing his ceiling is through the roof and is only a matter of Sunny working his tail off to develop, and everything I've read about him points to the fact that Sunny has a great attitude.
So the only thing Sunny seems to be missing in blog posters minds is stars next to his name.

On a side note it seems that every time I have turned on a pro football game the past decade or so there is always a Sunny Odagwu type of player not only playing but starring be it Priest Holmes, Arian Foster, Colin Kapaernick etc.,
Just goes to show that from high school on to the pro's that so called experts get it wrong all the time. Just ask a Dallas Cowboys' fan how much he thinks of Jerry Jone's talent judgement.

Excellent post. Most of the OL and DL in the NFL are 3 stars. Fact.

It's a tough position to project from HS to college because a lot of the big kids just push smaller kids around in HS without much effort or technique. You need to find good athletes with the right attitude. The hard part is the attitude evaluation. Seems like Sunny has that in boatloads along with a great frame and good athletic ability.

Freckles Davis used to put a premium on finding big kids who played basketball in HS. Sunny fits that bill too.

I don't see the downside here at all. If you're concerned about his offer list take solace in Sumlin offering him. Sumlin is a pretty smart dude and an offensive wizard.

Your first statement is a bit overzealous...sure, its fact, but that is by proxy of sheer volume. There is usually over 300 "3-star" kids every year...roughly 50 "5-stars" and 150 "4-stars". Give or take a few depending on the service and how they rate players. 5 and 4 star players hit at a higher percentage and trend to play at a higher level than the 3* in any given year.

Sumlin's teams haven't exactly produced NFL talent on the OL...he walked into TAMU with the two best tackles in the country...but, I do agree with what you are getting at...he's not being recruited like a scrub. He's got legit interest/offers. As Mike Bakas would say...he's being recruited like a three star.

With that said, and not pertaining to your post...I think we are all aware that the kid is developmental...Kehoe obviously feels confident in the kid as he's been after him for two years. I like what I've seen from him in regards to growth...glad to see he was able to do that on his "own time" at prep...so he's coming in with a full clock and already grew a ton during that year. That's basically a saved year of development.

It's not really overzealous when you view it in light of the fact that there are only 32 NFL teams compared to the reams of college programs out there and all the kids who get recruited every year. You'd think that the 4 and 5 star DL and OL would rise to the top and take those limited jobs on those 32 teams, but they don't.

As as Sumlin goes, he's proven that he's a very good offensive mind. For those feeling any trepidation over Sunny's offers they should be assuaged by Sumlin feeling good about him.
 
Christian Okoye? Check.
****mbe Mutumbo? Check.
Joseph Addai? Check.
hakeem olajuwon? Check.

Don't get me wrong, I think this kid is going to be a winner for us. The hardship he's gone through and the obstacles he's overcome could barely be comprehended by the entitled 5 stars who think they are already in the NFL.
This kid seems like he's going to run through a wall for us and then look for another wall after that.

Exactly. It's not like this dude is some clumsy stumble bum who weighs 240 pounds. He's a 300 pounder already with excellent athletic skills. I'm not really seeing all this "project" talk.

If his name was Jerry Jackmeat with those measurables and basketball background guys would be treating him like any other great prospect. They hear Odogwu and think all of a sudden he's going to run out on the practice field in a loin cloth with a spear yelling "oongawaaa!".
 
The determining factor we all have to recognize is that Sunny is 6'8" 311lbs of good weight, with a basketball players athleticism and long arms.
Are there any other physical attributes you'd like in an offensive tackle?
Talent and attitude? If he didn't have talent and a good/great attitude Golden would never have offered him.
Don't forget Golden doesn't just carpet bomb the country with scholarship offers. Golden is probably the most selective Head Coach from a major college football program in regards to scholarship offering in the country.
Compare Sunny to Seantrel physically and do you see much of a difference? Sunny actually has better physical attributes then Seantrel did at the same age.
So it all comes down to talent and attitude. The talent level is up in the air because none of us non insiders know. The coach's know this kid's ceiling which is why they offered him. I'm guessing his ceiling is through the roof and is only a matter of Sunny working his tail off to develop, and everything I've read about him points to the fact that Sunny has a great attitude.
So the only thing Sunny seems to be missing in blog posters minds is stars next to his name.

On a side note it seems that every time I have turned on a pro football game the past decade or so there is always a Sunny Odagwu type of player not only playing but starring be it Priest Holmes, Arian Foster, Colin Kapaernick etc.,
Just goes to show that from high school on to the pro's that so called experts get it wrong all the time. Just ask a Dallas Cowboys' fan how much he thinks of Jerry Jone's talent judgement.

Excellent post. Most of the OL and DL in the NFL are 3 stars. Fact.

It's a tough position to project from HS to college because a lot of the big kids just push smaller kids around in HS without much effort or technique. You need to find good athletes with the right attitude. The hard part is the attitude evaluation. Seems like Sunny has that in boatloads along with a great frame and good athletic ability.

Freckles Davis used to put a premium on finding big kids who played basketball in HS. Sunny fits that bill too.

I don't see the downside here at all. If you're concerned about his offer list take solace in Sumlin offering him. Sumlin is a pretty smart dude and an offensive wizard.

Your first statement is a bit overzealous...sure, its fact, but that is by proxy of sheer volume. There is usually over 300 "3-star" kids every year...roughly 50 "5-stars" and 150 "4-stars". Give or take a few depending on the service and how they rate players. 5 and 4 star players hit at a higher percentage and trend to play at a higher level than the 3* in any given year.

Sumlin's teams haven't exactly produced NFL talent on the OL...he walked into TAMU with the two best tackles in the country...but, I do agree with what you are getting at...he's not being recruited like a scrub. He's got legit interest/offers. As Mike Bakas would say...he's being recruited like a three star.

With that said, and not pertaining to your post...I think we are all aware that the kid is developmental...Kehoe obviously feels confident in the kid as he's been after him for two years. I like what I've seen from him in regards to growth...glad to see he was able to do that on his "own time" at prep...so he's coming in with a full clock and already grew a ton during that year. That's basically a saved year of development.

It's not really overzealous when you view it in light of the fact that there are only 32 NFL teams compared to the reams of college programs out there and all the kids who get recruited every year. You'd think that the 4 and 5 star DL and OL would rise to the top and take those limited jobs on those 32 teams, but they don't.

As as Sumlin goes, he's proven that he's a very good offensive mind. For those feeling any trepidation over Sunny's offers they should be assuaged by Sumlin feeling good about him.

Marcus Forston......you conveniently left out that 5 star stud.
 
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Generally Kehoe's projects (and the blue chips, for that matter) flamed out due to conditioning. Its no surprise that this trend coincided with the glory years of the Coker Country Club. The "Kehoe Specials" should be in a position to succeed since our current coaching staff will hold them accountable for their conditioning.
 
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The "3 star" NFL OL comment has to be a troll job. This isnt the lounge, but no way anyone not named zone3cane is that oblivious to probability and statistics.

There is a huge pool of 3 star guys. Some make the nfl. Overwhelmingly, most dont. So there is zero positive predictive info in respect of assessing this kid that he's a three star as opposed to a four star or five star. The odds of him making the nfl would be higher were he higher ranked.

I'm not saying we should be chasing rankings, either. Just that talking ourselves into thinking being a three star is a positive (relative to higher rated kids) attribute is crazy.
 
Just a little logic here. This kid has time to grow (develop as a OL for awhile) and won't be needed in 2013.

We have Mr. Flowers and he finished his freshman season, he will be playing college football for AT LEAST two more years. That is one tackle spot secured up till AT LEAST the 2015 season. Then we have a bunch of kids who could play tackle and will be older and more mature than Sunny (Gadbois or Bunche) in 2014 on the other side. Honestly, lineman aren't supposed to get serious burn from day one and they should be redshirted.

2013 Tackles
Henderson (assuming he stays)
Flowers
Bunche

These 3 are going to get the heavy burn and maybe Gadbois might start getting into the rotation.

2013 OL Depth Chart

C: McDermott (Rd-Jr) and Wheeler (Rd-Sr)
G: Linder (Sr), Felicano (Rd-Jr), Wheeler (Rd-Sr), Isadora (Rd-Fr), Wells (Rd-So)
T: Henderson (Sr), Flowers (So), Bunche (Rd-Jr) and Gadbois (Rd-Fr)

Gall (Fr)
Odogwu (Fr)
Kirkland (Fr) *Assuming he commits*

That looks pretty good.

Think you forgot Knighton
 
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