Someone Who Knows Things

Yall, Miami fans, this fan base! Are you fan of the Miami hurricanes or not?...

Yall as in the posters that spin everything away from holding the current staff accountable. The rest is from a great post from the OP of the thread following up on the season and it is spot on. Miami fans, CIS, us - are so starved to be great we overrate our players and coaches -- either because as fans we are dying to see us be great again or because it is great for clicks if we run a website.
 
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Two points that should be obvious, but are subject to debate in here:

1) We aren't going to win anything with Emory handing the ball off. Our defense won't be good enough, and even if it was, we need more from the QB position.

2) Cam, while clearly the best QB in the America, wasn't a one-man show here. His offense at Wazzu was 53rd in scoring offense and 72nd in yards per play. And that's with an innovative OC and two legit 1,000-yard receivers. They actually won more games before he got there. We helped him and he helped us.

We have made big strides on defense this offseason. There are three big items on the agenda: QB, WR and Xavier Lucas. I'd personally add linebacker to that, as well. Lots of work to do before Notre Dame.
 
Yall as in the posters that spin everything away from holding the current staff accountable. The rest is from a great post from the OP of the thread following up on the season and it is spot on. Miami fans, CIS, us - are so starved to be great we overrate our players and coaches -- either because as fans we are dying to see us be great again or because it is great for clicks if we run a website.
Now! That is facts, I'm guilty as charged with propping up high school results like they translate automatically to college! I realized after 04-05 maybe 06 that good ole days is gone!!
 
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Two points that should be obvious, but are subject to debate in here:

1) We aren't going to win anything with Emory handing the ball off. Our defense won't be good enough, and even if it was, we need more from the QB position.

2) Cam, while clearly the best QB in the America, wasn't a one-man show here. His offense at Wazzu was 53rd in scoring offense and 72nd in yards per play. And that's with an innovative OC and two legit 1,000-yard receivers. They actually won more games before he got there. We helped him and he helped us.

We have made big strides on defense this offseason. There are three big items on the agenda: QB, WR and Xavier Lucas. I'd personally add linebacker to that, as well. Lots of work to do before Notre Dame.
We lost top our RB and 7 out 8 pass catchers. Last year was an isolated event and in no way shape or form will contribute or indicate future success. We aren't building off of last year. We are creating from scratch.
 
Two points that should be obvious, but are subject to debate in here:

1) We aren't going to win anything with Emory handing the ball off. Our defense won't be good enough, and even if it was, we need more from the QB position.

2) Cam, while clearly the best QB in the America, wasn't a one-man show here. His offense at Wazzu was 53rd in scoring offense and 72nd in yards per play. And that's with an innovative OC and two legit 1,000-yard receivers. They actually won more games before he got there. We helped him and he helped us.

We have made big strides on defense this offseason. There are three big items on the agenda: QB, WR and Xavier Lucas. I'd personally add linebacker to that, as well. Lots of work to do before Notre Dame.
Say it louder so they can hear you in the Hecht.

Linebacker is at "will lose us a game" level. Need a plug n play starter. Could use a backup, too.
 
Two points that should be obvious, but are subject to debate in here:

1) We aren't going to win anything with Emory handing the ball off. Our defense won't be good enough, and even if it was, we need more from the QB position.

2) Cam, while clearly the best QB in the America, wasn't a one-man show here. His offense at Wazzu was 53rd in scoring offense and 72nd in yards per play. And that's with an innovative OC and two legit 1,000-yard receivers. They actually won more games before he got there. We helped him and he helped us.

We have made big strides on defense this offseason. There are three big items on the agenda: QB, WR and Xavier Lucas. I'd personally add linebacker to that, as well. Lots of work to do before Notre Dame.
Agreed

Also wanted to note guys that committed here in the spring portal last year despite the (true maybe) idea that there’s slim pickings in the spring

Damien Martinez
Tyler Baron
Simeon Barrow
Sam Brown

The glaring one obviously is the QB and no one would argue that
 
Spring Portal season will have guys that stick around, get an NFL grade they don't agree with and then got a business decision to make.

Martinez, Baron, Barrow, and Brown were all business decision late portal takes, ya. Should be room for a Miami residency for these types every year., Just need to realize these guys do have warts. Martinez showed up a little out of shape. Baron stopped playing. Brown couldn't catch a cold at times and overthought most of the time. Barrow was good, but the DL unit as a whole underperformed. Others like Marley Cook and CJ Clark were run of the mil players that couldn't play up during money making season.

But these guys are available and we should have room for a few every year. Mercenaries are good. Keeps everyone on their toes.
 
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I don’t post much as I am not as plugged into UM as I used to be. I wrote the above before the season and I thought it might be useful to look back.

Biggest disappointment for me is the DL. Should have been very good, was average. Internal issues played a role here, but I was wrong on this. We should have been a top unit and we were not.

Glad Arroyo delivered on all his promise. Lofton is a different style of player, but he looks strong.

Martinez was as advertised. Will miss him.

Safeties were godawful.

I am writing this because there are some wild narratives on this board, and I thought I’d throw my two cents in.

I have written several times about the difference between good and elite. Miami fans have forgotten what great coaching and players look like in my opinion, and a tendency to overrate coaches/players sets this fan base up for disappointment constantly.


We finally saw what elite looks like: Cam Ward was better than advertised and showed that Dawson/Cristobal are not QB killers. The other elite player was Borregales IMO.

Restrepo, Martinez were very good. Several OL played very well and that unit, while not elite, was very good. The offense AS A GROUP was elite. Should have made a playoff run with an elite side of the ball. We did not because we lost to teams we shouldn’t have, which is a Mario constant. He is who he has always been: a mediocre coach who recruits well. He’s Ron Zook, and NIL has eroded his recruiting advantage and so we are left with a mediocre coach with a mediocre overall football operations staff.

What about next year? We have a personnel problem — I see no room that has a chance of being elite, and several that will struggle to be average. Some posters seem to believe otherwise, which is fueling classic Miami fan delusion.

Reuben Bain is a perfect example. He had a very good freshman year, UM fans say he is elite and then he struggles his sophomore year (a Miami specialty) and now he “sucks”. Of course he doesn’t he just got
Immediately overrated by our fan base.

RB room is another example. I’ve read about how stacked we are at running back. Fletcher is an average ACC back, Lyle shows some promise. How is that stacked?

Ohio State has an elite player or an elite group at almost every position group. We will have zero next year.

We do not have the coaching acumen to overcome this. I like Dawson, think he is a good coordinator but not a magician. The offense will take a step back. DC is to be determined but an average defense, while an improvement, seems like the ceiling.

Miami needs more elite players. Whether portal or high school, we simply aren’t getting enough of them. We have had how many elite players in the past decade? 5, maybe? OSU has 3 this year. Player development at UM has been a problem for 20 years, across multiple coaches, and it continues today. But UM will not be back under Mario unless there are wholesale changes to the way UM approaches football. Cribby and others know what I mean.

Sorry for long post.

Good post but I don’t think UM can get talent like Ohio State. We can’t buy players like they do.

A more realistic model is Notre Dame. They have one 5 star on the roster, but lots of high 4 stars. we can do that. They dominated a UGA team with 14x more 5 stars on their roster. They did it by having smart disciplined players and exceptional coaching. It’s good enough to make it to the playoffs consistently , and if you catch lightning in a bottle and 2-3 of those 4 stars become elite (like Bain in freshman year) you can win a title. The fatal flaw in the model is we have Cristobal as HC, so the only way he can make a competitive team is by trying to be Bama or Ohio State with less NIL money and a bad staff.
 
Two points that should be obvious, but are subject to debate in here:

1) We aren't going to win anything with Emory handing the ball off. Our defense won't be good enough, and even if it was, we need more from the QB position.

2) Cam, while clearly the best QB in the America, wasn't a one-man show here. His offense at Wazzu was 53rd in scoring offense and 72nd in yards per play. And that's with an innovative OC and two legit 1,000-yard receivers. They actually won more games before he got there. We helped him and he helped us.

We have made big strides on defense this offseason. There are three big items on the agenda: QB, WR and Xavier Lucas. I'd personally add linebacker to that, as well. Lots of work to do before Notre Dame.
I have no problems with those points BUT all of that should’ve been crystal clear BEFORE the first portal window and Wario should’ve take actions accordingly (for the “he went after Mateer” crowd: going after 1 QB without a plan B ready only it is not enough).

Now we are running out of good options and we are probably waiting for a miracle like last year, which is not a smart strategy IMHO.
 
Cam, while clearly the best QB in the America, wasn't a one-man show here. His offense at Wazzu was 53rd in scoring offense and 72nd in yards per play. And that's with an innovative OC and two legit 1,000-yard receivers. They actually won more games before he got there. We helped him and he helped us.
Yeah, keep deluding yourself into actually believing that.

You'll see next year. Can't wait.
 
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Believe what? The clear-as-day stats that I posted?
True, just forget the O-Line at WSU that did not exist or those two 1000-yard-receivers who didn't obtain 1000 yards when Ward played. But you can believe that, obviously.

And you can't wait for us to be a lot worse than last year? Really?
Nah, I can't wait for stupid people to realize the stupid **** they spouted when they realized that Cam Ward was running the show on his shoulders. Apparently Iowa State wasn't enough of a tell for people.
 
True, just forget the O-Line at WSU that did not exist or those two 1000-yard-receivers who didn't obtain 1000 yards when Ward played. But you can believe that, obviously.
Nobody "forgot" that Wazzu had a bad OL. That's the main reason Cam came here. He wanted to play with a great OL. I expect to that group to stay consistent here, given Mario and Mirabal's track record going back to Oregon.

As for the WRs, Josh Kelly had 1K this year with Texas Tech and Kyle Williams had almost 1,200 yards this year with John Mateer. So yes, they were legit 1K-yard receivers.

You should have checked that before the snarky response.

Nah, I can't wait for stupid to realize the stupid **** they spouted when they realized that Cam Ward was running the show on his shoulders. Apparently Iowa State wasn't enough of a tell for people.

Everybody knows Cam is the man, and everybody expects the offense to take a step back without him.

But your point that our offense was a one-man show falls apart when you look at the numbers. We scored more points with the corpse of TVD than Washington State scored in 2023.
 
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Cam went from playing with no real next level talent to 3rd and 4th round guys. If you wanna say the o-line here was a blessing then absolutely but cam woulda went off with just about anyone if he had this o-line. The cam helped us and we helped him argument is largely overblown. Cam helped us exponentially more. He also had the most to gain from it
 
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