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cway313 said:
If Martinez went to Chaminade or Central we would be having a different discussion.
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Indeed. If Fletcher and Kyle were OOS kids we would have wanted to attack the portal with Martinez heading to the NFL and not be laying “budget” tracks
 
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Fox305 said:
I agree but the offense only performed at optimal level because of the genius play of Cam Ward. (A gourmet player). It’s not overstating, the issues that plagued the team existed. A sneak peek into the future was the 3rd quarter of the bowl game. With the lead Ward gave, we were able to attempt to play keep away and steal a drive with a run dominated TD led by the OL. The OL is losing a great VET center and we did thankfully replace him.

Yet, the inability of a QB to make off script plays, which will still be needed with the new WR/TE group was obvious and it derailed the strengths of the OL. It’s just hard to get run room when teams will stack the box 8-9 deep. Unless a serviceable QB is on tap, we just don’t have the proven hitters outside besides lofton and trader who can scare people. They will only be soph in impact games played. Need more seasoning likely.

The table just don’t look good right now. Yes we could get some unseen impact guys in the portal, but until then, as quiet as it is, we are on tap to take a huge step back. Plus, we have a projected tougher path next year with scheduling. 5 wins can happen, 7-8 wins, or 10. It’s a wide spectrum but you gotta steer towards the middle if we being rational.
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Every team is in the same boat as us! They Just need different things as opposed to us...you just focusing on us instead of fsu- needs a QB , so does bama, uga, OSU I believe Howard is done, and nd- Leonard is done,....etc
 
Damiencane86 said:
We haven't recruited any 5 star sure things since Coker was coaching here. Plenty of good players but sure things like the Jeremiah Smith level, none like that for 20 years.
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I'd argue the last player that came out of Florida that was on the Jeremaih Smith level was Derrick Henry. You get one of those every decade where the kid can walk into an NFL lockeroom and not be out of place.

For the 5 stars Miami has signed recently, 2 guys were played out of position in JW and LT. At least Francis looks to finally be Marios first 1st rounder to show for.
 
DC3 said:
I'd argue the last player that came out of Florida that was on the Jeremaih Smith level was Derrick Henry. You get one of those every decade where the kid can walk into an NFL lockeroom and not be out of place.

For the 5 stars Miami has signed recently, 2 guys were played out of position in JW and LT. At least Francis looks to finally be Marios first 1st rounder to show for.
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That man was scary at 17. I witnessed the fear firsthand. Those children were terrified every time he touched the ball at Yulee.
 
YLCANE said:
💯
Bain was a bust
Let’s just keep it real
I didn’t hear his name more than 5-6 times ALL SEASON
The rest are Jags
Where are the twitchy DEs that meet at the QB then play on Sundays like vintage Miami teams had?
Where is the g d speed on defense that tracks down EVERY offensive player and they run sideline to sideline?
Where is the hard hitting safety that strikes fear into opposing WRs and QBs?

Anyone older than 45-50 understands what I’m saying…..we lack about 5-10 more dudes at every level on D, not just DL to be “Miami” again!
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Angry Ibis said:
Yes. The gap from Martinez to Fletcher and Lyle is the difference between winning and losing the bowl game. Martinez scores from the 7 on that drive.

Part of the point being we need elite RBs to have an elite RB room, not roster fillers.
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I get that, but the depth needs to be addressed in that room regardless. Add a rb that’s better than CJJ and Allen, hopefully Lyle and Fletcher develop a little more, and ride with what u got. RB isn’t the only position that UM is far from being elite in.
 
DC3 said:
I'd argue the last player that came out of Florida that was on the Jeremaih Smith level was Derrick Henry. You get one of those every decade where the kid can walk into an NFL lockeroom and not be out of place.

For the 5 stars Miami has signed recently, 2 guys were played out of position in JW and LT. At least Francis looks to finally be Marios first 1st rounder to show for.
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Agreed. LT was a talent but still required a lot of physical development and JW was misused terribly. Great example with Henry. To OP, we haven't landed " those " guys with Francis being the only exception.
 
twes.305 said:
I get that, but the depth needs to be addressed in that room regardless. Add a rb that’s better than CJJ and Allen, hopefully Lyle and Fletcher develop a little more, and ride with what u got. RB isn’t the only position that UM is far from being elite in.
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Nearly all positions we are far from elite in. Odd for a talent acquisition and roster management guru year 4.

But back to RBs, if we are going to rely on a heavy rushing attack we need an RB1 not merely adding stock to the shelves.
 
twes.305 said:
I get that, but the depth needs to be addressed in that room regardless. Add a rb that’s better than CJJ and Allen, hopefully Lyle and Fletcher develop a little more, and ride with what u got. RB isn’t the only position that UM is far from being elite in.
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There was another freshman running back last year.
Any hopes for him?
Had a good high school career.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
Semantics. OK, we lost our clear #1, then our #4 and CJJ from the room. The room is not "stacked" to convert back to a rushing, ground and pound team or enough to compensate for a massive drop off from Cam. (And no, I am not expecting a Cam 2.0 to walk through the door)
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Apparently Lyle controls the depth chart

Nothing to see there at all I guess

All teams have freshmen that barely play dictate who we recruit right?
 
umfire2005 said:
I don’t post much as I am not as plugged into UM as I used to be. I wrote the above before the season and I thought it might be useful to look back.

Biggest disappointment for me is the DL. Should have been very good, was average. Internal issues played a role here, but I was wrong on this. We should have been a top unit and we were not.

Glad Arroyo delivered on all his promise. Lofton is a different style of player, but he looks strong.

Martinez was as advertised. Will miss him.

Safeties were godawful.

I am writing this because there are some wild narratives on this board, and I thought I’d throw my two cents in.

I have written several times about the difference between good and elite. Miami fans have forgotten what great coaching and players look like in my opinion, and a tendency to overrate coaches/players sets this fan base up for disappointment constantly.


We finally saw what elite looks like: Cam Ward was better than advertised and showed that Dawson/Cristobal are not QB killers. The other elite player was Borregales IMO.

Restrepo, Martinez were very good. Several OL played very well and that unit, while not elite, was very good. The offense AS A GROUP was elite. Should have made a playoff run with an elite side of the ball. We did not because we lost to teams we shouldn’t have, which is a Mario constant. He is who he has always been: a mediocre coach who recruits well. He’s Ron Zook, and NIL has eroded his recruiting advantage and so we are left with a mediocre coach with a mediocre overall football operations staff.

What about next year? We have a personnel problem — I see no room that has a chance of being elite, and several that will struggle to be average. Some posters seem to believe otherwise, which is fueling classic Miami fan delusion.

Reuben Bain is a perfect example. He had a very good freshman year, UM fans say he is elite and then he struggles his sophomore year (a Miami specialty) and now he “sucks”. Of course he doesn’t he just got
Immediately overrated by our fan base.

RB room is another example. I’ve read about how stacked we are at running back. Fletcher is an average ACC back, Lyle shows some promise. How is that stacked?

Ohio State has an elite player or an elite group at almost every position group. We will have zero next year.

We do not have the coaching acumen to overcome this. I like Dawson, think he is a good coordinator but not a magician. The offense will take a step back. DC is to be determined but an average defense, while an improvement, seems like the ceiling.

Miami needs more elite players. Whether portal or high school, we simply aren’t getting enough of them. We have had how many elite players in the past decade? 5, maybe? OSU has 3 this year. Player development at UM has been a problem for 20 years, across multiple coaches, and it continues today. But UM will not be back under Mario unless there are wholesale changes to the way UM approaches football. Cribby and others know what I mean.

Sorry for long post.
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Forget post of the year. This is the post of the decade!
 
lholtz52 said:
There was another freshman running back last year.
Any hopes for him?
Had a good high school career.
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Well we are talking about having an elite back and he’s def not. If he was elite he would have contribute this past season. He’s Mid until he proves otherwise.
 
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Ibis4life said:
I'd disagree on Lyle. I believe he has elite potential. Don't Soldinger was on Donno before the season raving about Lyle and I trust Solly's opinion on backs over anyone.
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Yeah agree on almost all of what he said minus his opinion of Lyle + Restrepo. Restrepo was an elite slot wr. Couldn't find 5 better than him at his role this year in cfb.
 
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Angry Ibis said:
Nearly all positions we are far from elite in. Odd for a talent acquisition and roster management guru year 4.

But back to RBs, if we are going to rely on a heavy rushing attack we need an RB1 not merely adding stock to the shelves.
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There is no team in the world that's elite at every position...even our best team in 2002 had an average quarterback!!....but, keep mentioning something that's not gonna happen for any team ever again!!
 
Scorpioncane said:
There is no team in the world that's elite at every position...even our best team in 2002 had an average quarterback!!....but, keep mentioning something that's not gonna happen for any team ever again!!
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Yall have a great way of spinning things. You went from not having any to me expecting every. Those TOC Talks are paying off.

Credit to OP

I have written several times about the difference between good and elite. Miami fans have forgotten what great coaching and players look like in my opinion, and a tendency to overrate coaches/players sets this fan base up for disappointment constantly
 
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E1k said:
10000000000000% Spot on

Fanbase just thinks the best case scenario will happen every off season and thats why the disappointment is always huge.

We dont know what it looks like anymore so we hype up any glimpse of it now but its usually the bare minimum
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Agreed. We had an elite offense in 2024, to keep pace, we simply need to replace arguably the top 8 pieces of that…

Heisman Candidate QB
Clear RB1
Top 4 WRs
3 TEs
Center
Rivers
 
Angry Ibis said:
Yall have a great way of spinning things. You went from not having any to me expecting every. Those TOC Talks are paying off.

Credit to OP

I have written several times about the difference between good and elite. Miami fans have forgotten what great coaching and players look like in my opinion, and a tendency to overrate coaches/players sets this fan base up for disappointment constantly
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Yall, Miami fans, this fan base! Are you fan of the Miami hurricanes or not?...
 
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