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Honestly look at Georgia this year and what position group offensively would you say they were definitively better? OLine? Receivers? RBs?

Even without Cam we would’ve had a very good offense assuming we had a somewhat competent QB
 
U_Canes said:
Honestly look at Georgia this year and what position group offensively would you say they were definitively better? OLine? Receivers? RBs?

Even without Cam we would’ve had a very good offense assuming we had a somewhat competent QB
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But we didn't - which is why Cam was so important.

I also find it amusing that people point to running more next year, yet we lost our #1 and #3 backs.
 
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CANESCANES said:
I’ve mentioned that all season, the DL was the biggest fraud on this team. Heading in to the season it was supposed to be among the best in the nation

They never came up with timely sacks, or turnovers
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💯
Bain was a bust
Let’s just keep it real
I didn’t hear his name more than 5-6 times ALL SEASON
The rest are Jags
Where are the twitchy DEs that meet at the QB then play on Sundays like vintage Miami teams had?
Where is the g d speed on defense that tracks down EVERY offensive player and they run sideline to sideline?
Where is the hard hitting safety that strikes fear into opposing WRs and QBs?

Anyone older than 45-50 understands what I’m saying…..we lack about 5-10 more dudes at every level on D, not just DL to be “Miami” again!
 
Builds at Miami have taken time… we have never been a quick flip… not sure why, but the only way we have ever broken into the elite were two slow builds. I can remember both Schnellenberger and Butch (Botch on the Grassy boards). Yes… I am old, having grown up as a fan in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s.
Schnelleberger was 30-15 before the championship year. Butch was 31-15 before the breakthrough in 2000. Both faced different situations, but were able to get the team to good for several years before breaking through. I have no idea whether Mario is the guy to be our next Championship Coach, or whether he will be more like Richt who hit 10 wins in ‘17 and then regressed. This year we were good. We have to be good again next year, and not mediocre like we have been for the last 20.
BTW. I don’t but that Cam was wasted any more than Jim Kelly was wasted. They both elevated the program. The key is to keep it elevated.
College football is a different landscape today, but this is still a talent acquisition business. Mario was hired to acquire talent. He will be here through ‘26 at least. The university seems far more committed than at anytime in the last few decades to get this right. I hope Mario does, because I am not sure this alignment would be there again.
 
U_Canes said:
Honestly look at Georgia this year and what position group offensively would you say they were definitively better? OLine? Receivers? RBs?

Even without Cam we would’ve had a very good offense assuming we had a somewhat competent QB
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I agree w you on O, but they have bobo who is their Guidry…..he sucks. That limits them tremendously as they lack explosive playmaking and without Bennett and Bowers they are pedestrian

As for the D, They just have better athletes in general on D
You know what showed me that in spades…..the little GT running back that worked us over….when got to third level vs us, he was gone for TD

When he got loose vs Georgia, they had a bigger faster sptronger athlete track him down with ease like he was chasing his baby brother! THAT is what they have on D over us
 
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Cuttercane said:
Builds at Miami have taken time… we have never been a quick flip… not sure why, but the only way we have ever broken into the elite were two slow builds. I can remember both Schnellenberger and Butch (Botch on the Grassy boards). Yes… I am old, having grown up as a fan in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s.
Schnelleberger was 30-15 before the championship year. Butch was 31-15 before the breakthrough in 2000. Both faced different situations, but were able to get the team to good for several years before breaking through. I have no idea whether Mario is the guy to be our next Championship Coach, or whether he will be more like Richt who hit 10 wins in ‘17 and then regressed. This year we were good. We have to be good again next year, and not mediocre like we have been for the last 20.
BTW. I don’t but that Cam was wasted any more than Jim Kelly was wasted. They both elevated the program. The key is to keep it elevated.
College football is a different landscape today, but this is still a talent acquisition business. Mario was hired to acquire talent. He will be here through ‘26 at least. The university seems far more committed than at anytime in the last few decades to get this right. I hope Mario does, because I am not sure this alignment would be there again.
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The caveat to all of it is player development
Schnellenburger
Then Jimmy
Had amazing asst coaches - many turned out to be NFL coaches
Butch rebuilt it and had a very good staff

I don’t know enough about our entire staff but what I do know is there aren’t nfl GMs knocking our door down to steal them…..

Mario can recruit but can anyone develop these guys into day 1 and day 2 draft picks consistently???????? THAT to me is what is needed to truly elevate this program again
 
YLCANE said:
The caveat to all of it is player development
Schnellenburger
Then Jimmy
Had amazing asst coaches - many turned out to be NFL coaches
Butch rebuilt it and had a very good staff

I don’t know enough about our entire staff but what I do know is there aren’t nfl GMs knocking our door down to steal them…..

Mario can recruit but can anyone develop these guys into day 1 and day 2 draft picks consistently???????? THAT to me is what is needed to truly elevate this program again
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Agree completely. Talent acquisition applies to recruiting the best coaching staffs too.
 
YLCANE said:
I agree w you on O, but they have bobo who is their Guidry…..he sucks. That limits them tremendously as they lack explosive playmaking and without Bennett and Bowers they are pedestrian

As for the D, They just have better athletes in general on D
You know what showed me that in spades…..the little GT running back that worked us over….when got to third level vs us, he was gone for TD

When he got loose vs Georgia, they had a bigger faster sptronger athlete track him down with ease like he was chasing his baby brother! THAT is what they have on D over us
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Oh that I agree there’s been a huge difference on D. And I think we’ve got some better atheltes the last couple classes, but we’ll see if they’re ready this year. Our young guys got more burn against IA state and they just seemed too small and not strong yet to me..
 
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Coach Macho said:
Disagree a bit.

Arroyo is a freak and maybe the most talented TE in the country. Cam Ward isn't the reason he was killing defenses. The kid was wide open.

X was routing-up DB's long before Cam got here. 80% of the time that Cam threw to X, X was open. (cause of scheme or cause he killed a DB)

Cam is not the reason our OL was moving piles and not the reason defenders were melting off of Martinez.

I don't agree with any narrative that Cam is the only reason our offense was great. Was it better because of Cam? Absolutely. Mainly for his brain and ability to improvise when things broke down.

But there's some legit talent on offense.
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Spot ******* on post!
 
Coach Macho said:
Disagree a bit.

Arroyo is a freak and maybe the most talented TE in the country. Cam Ward isn't the reason he was killing defenses. The kid was wide open.

X was routing-up DB's long before Cam got here. 80% of the time that Cam threw to X, X was open. (cause of scheme or cause he killed a DB)

Cam is not the reason our OL was moving piles and not the reason defenders were melting off of Martinez.

I don't agree with any narrative that Cam is the only reason our offense was great. Was it better because of Cam? Absolutely. Mainly for his brain and ability to improvise when things broke down.

But there's some legit talent on offense.
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Dawson schemed Arroyo high school wide open multiple times. It was beautiful.
 
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U_Canes said:
Uh Allen had 20 carries this year. He was not our #3 back
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Semantics. OK, we lost our clear #1, then our #4 and CJJ from the room. The room is not "stacked" to convert back to a rushing, ground and pound team or enough to compensate for a massive drop off from Cam. (And no, I am not expecting a Cam 2.0 to walk through the door)
 
TheOriginalCane said:
If only Mateer could have understood that. But he wanted to be surrounded by family and former coaches during his money year.
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It seemed like a perfect fit. But I'm sure being that close to home and with his former coach made it seem like the right choice. Def. Feels like Oklahoma is going absolutely no where though. Guess well see just how legit Mateer is.
 
umfire2005 said:
I had lunch Friday with someone who knows things. We have been having this same lunch since 2004. He’s been at practices since 1997. Here’s what he had to say:

DL is lights out. Particularly mentioned Bain, Mesidor and Justin Scott. Scott — “day one potential.” Best DL since 2017 easily.

Ward. Best pure thrower we have ever had. Exact quote. No comment on the other QBs.

Loved OL, coaches have been on Carpenter’s *** every practice. Deep and talented. Some concern about RT depth.

Couldn’t say enough about Trader. Smooth smooth smooth. Ny Carr “steal of the class”.

Worries about Safety position.

Arroyo running better than he ever has at Miami. Easy day 2 pick.

Martinez pushing around LBs. Second Level problem.

Brown and Porter are “good not great”. Believes that’s all they have to be with our DL.

“better team than 2017” with “best young talent since 2005”
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Wow this was so spot on it’s crazy! @umfire2005 have lunch with this guy again and give us the scoop brother
 
umfire2005 said:
I don’t post much as I am not as plugged into UM as I used to be. I wrote the above before the season and I thought it might be useful to look back.

Biggest disappointment for me is the DL. Should have been very good, was average. Internal issues played a role here, but I was wrong on this. We should have been a top unit and we were not.

Glad Arroyo delivered on all his promise. Lofton is a different style of player, but he looks strong.

Martinez was as advertised. Will miss him.

Safeties were godawful.

I am writing this because there are some wild narratives on this board, and I thought I’d throw my two cents in.

I have written several times about the difference between good and elite. Miami fans have forgotten what great coaching and players look like in my opinion, and a tendency to overrate coaches/players sets this fan base up for disappointment constantly.


We finally saw what elite looks like: Cam Ward was better than advertised and showed that Dawson/Cristobal are not QB killers. The other elite player was Borregales IMO.

Restrepo, Martinez were very good. Several OL played very well and that unit, while not elite, was very good. The offense AS A GROUP was elite. Should have made a playoff run with an elite side of the ball. We did not because we lost to teams we shouldn’t have, which is a Mario constant. He is who he has always been: a mediocre coach who recruits well. He’s Ron Zook, and NIL has eroded his recruiting advantage and so we are left with a mediocre coach with a mediocre overall football operations staff.

What about next year? We have a personnel problem — I see no room that has a chance of being elite, and several that will struggle to be average. Some posters seem to believe otherwise, which is fueling classic Miami fan delusion.

Reuben Bain is a perfect example. He had a very good freshman year, UM fans say he is elite and then he struggles his sophomore year (a Miami specialty) and now he “sucks”. Of course he doesn’t he just got
Immediately overrated by our fan base.

RB room is another example. I’ve read about how stacked we are at running back. Fletcher is an average ACC back, Lyle shows some promise. How is that stacked?

Ohio State has an elite player or an elite group at almost every position group. We will have zero next year.

We do not have the coaching acumen to overcome this. I like Dawson, think he is a good coordinator but not a magician. The offense will take a step back. DC is to be determined but an average defense, while an improvement, seems like the ceiling.

Miami needs more elite players. Whether portal or high school, we simply aren’t getting enough of them. We have had how many elite players in the past decade? 5, maybe? OSU has 3 this year. Player development at UM has been a problem for 20 years, across multiple coaches, and it continues today. But UM will not be back under Mario unless there are wholesale changes to the way UM approaches football. Cribby and others know what I mean.

Sorry for long post.
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10000000000000% Spot on

Fanbase just thinks the best case scenario will happen every off season and thats why the disappointment is always huge.

We dont know what it looks like anymore so we hype up any glimpse of it now but its usually the bare minimum
 
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