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hoops156 said:
hes a good recruiter. hes been a poor evaluator.
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I agree he’s a good recruiter. We’ve landed top 10 classes until this year. But when you think of our top of the board guys we missed on the most elite game breaker guys that would’ve made a huge difference for us. Just last year I can name 3 we were after very hard that were top of our board and ended up as freshman all Americans (collins Simmons Dylan Stewart Jeremiah smith) we need to win these.

Hopefully it’s not more of the same w a Pickett and hanks that we had at our near the top of the board.
 
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umfire2005 said:
I don’t post much as I am not as plugged into UM as I used to be. I wrote the above before the season and I thought it might be useful to look back.

Biggest disappointment for me is the DL. Should have been very good, was average. Internal issues played a role here, but I was wrong on this. We should have been a top unit and we were not.

Glad Arroyo delivered on all his promise. Lofton is a different style of player, but he looks strong.

Martinez was as advertised. Will miss him.

Safeties were godawful.

I am writing this because there are some wild narratives on this board, and I thought I’d throw my two cents in.

I have written several times about the difference between good and elite. Miami fans have forgotten what great coaching and players look like in my opinion, and a tendency to overrate coaches/players sets this fan base up for disappointment constantly.


We finally saw what elite looks like: Cam Ward was better than advertised and showed that Dawson/Cristobal are not QB killers. The other elite player was Borregales IMO.

Restrepo, Martinez were very good. Several OL played very well and that unit, while not elite, was very good. The offense AS A GROUP was elite. Should have made a playoff run with an elite side of the ball. We did not because we lost to teams we shouldn’t have, which is a Mario constant. He is who he has always been: a mediocre coach who recruits well. He’s Ron Zook, and NIL has eroded his recruiting advantage and so we are left with a mediocre coach with a mediocre overall football operations staff.

What about next year? We have a personnel problem — I see no room that has a chance of being elite, and several that will struggle to be average. Some posters seem to believe otherwise, which is fueling classic Miami fan delusion.

Reuben Bain is a perfect example. He had a very good freshman year, UM fans say he is elite and then he struggles his sophomore year (a Miami specialty) and now he “sucks”. Of course he doesn’t he just got
Immediately overrated by our fan base.

RB room is another example. I’ve read about how stacked we are at running back. Fletcher is an average ACC back, Lyle shows some promise. How is that stacked?

Ohio State has an elite player or an elite group at almost every position group. We will have zero next year.

We do not have the coaching acumen to overcome this. I like Dawson, think he is a good coordinator but not a magician. The offense will take a step back. DC is to be determined but an average defense, while an improvement, seems like the ceiling.

Miami needs more elite players. Whether portal or high school, we simply aren’t getting enough of them. We have had how many elite players in the past decade? 5, maybe? OSU has 3 this year. Player development at UM has been a problem for 20 years, across multiple coaches, and it continues today. But UM will not be back under Mario unless there are wholesale changes to the way UM approaches football. Cribby and others know what I mean.

Sorry for long post.
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I demand you have a monthly porst of this content magnitude (or more frequent, dealer's choice). You can call it "Sitting by the UMFire".

Make it happen gato.

Don't leave us....you are are our Roosevelt and we are stiing by the radio.
 
JHallCanes said:
I personally don’t see it. He’s not big enough frame wise. His legs are already huge

But I could be wrong of course just think he’s in the same boat as Chickillo (not saying they are the same) but I’d like to see less weight not more
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If we had gotten Silver or some other big fat guy at DT, Bain to DT next year might work. Don't think it would be a good experiment with what we have at DT (which isn't bad!)
 
flips said:
If we had gotten Silver or some other big fat guy at DT, Bain to DT next year might work. Don't think it would be a good experiment with what we have at DT (which isn't bad!)
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Yeah it’s a real ***** when you have a guy for 3 years maybe and you lose one of their developing years

I have no clue what’s up but just taking a step back and looking at how players like Kiko, Wes, Jaden, Porter etc just looked so much worse than last year (to varying degrees) it just tells me the whole thing was broken and trying to find specific reasons is probably fools gold
 
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umfire2005 said:
I don’t post much as I am not as plugged into UM as I used to be. I wrote the above before the season and I thought it might be useful to look back.

Biggest disappointment for me is the DL. Should have been very good, was average. Internal issues played a role here, but I was wrong on this. We should have been a top unit and we were not.

Glad Arroyo delivered on all his promise. Lofton is a different style of player, but he looks strong.

Martinez was as advertised. Will miss him.

Safeties were godawful.

I am writing this because there are some wild narratives on this board, and I thought I’d throw my two cents in.

I have written several times about the difference between good and elite. Miami fans have forgotten what great coaching and players look like in my opinion, and a tendency to overrate coaches/players sets this fan base up for disappointment constantly.


We finally saw what elite looks like: Cam Ward was better than advertised and showed that Dawson/Cristobal are not QB killers. The other elite player was Borregales IMO.

Restrepo, Martinez were very good. Several OL played very well and that unit, while not elite, was very good. The offense AS A GROUP was elite. Should have made a playoff run with an elite side of the ball. We did not because we lost to teams we shouldn’t have, which is a Mario constant. He is who he has always been: a mediocre coach who recruits well. He’s Ron Zook, and NIL has eroded his recruiting advantage and so we are left with a mediocre coach with a mediocre overall football operations staff.

What about next year? We have a personnel problem — I see no room that has a chance of being elite, and several that will struggle to be average. Some posters seem to believe otherwise, which is fueling classic Miami fan delusion.

Reuben Bain is a perfect example. He had a very good freshman year, UM fans say he is elite and then he struggles his sophomore year (a Miami specialty) and now he “sucks”. Of course he doesn’t he just got
Immediately overrated by our fan base.

RB room is another example. I’ve read about how stacked we are at running back. Fletcher is an average ACC back, Lyle shows some promise. How is that stacked?

Ohio State has an elite player or an elite group at almost every position group. We will have zero next year.

We do not have the coaching acumen to overcome this. I like Dawson, think he is a good coordinator but not a magician. The offense will take a step back. DC is to be determined but an average defense, while an improvement, seems like the ceiling.

Miami needs more elite players. Whether portal or high school, we simply aren’t getting enough of them. We have had how many elite players in the past decade? 5, maybe? OSU has 3 this year. Player development at UM has been a problem for 20 years, across multiple coaches, and it continues today. But UM will not be back under Mario unless there are wholesale changes to the way UM approaches football. Cribby and others know what I mean.

Sorry for long post.
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You were right then and you are about right now
Keep posting more
DL was affected by Bain injury, #11 injury and Messidor playing out of position ..but a disappointment nonetheless
 
JHallCanes said:
Yeah it’s a real ***** when you have a guy for 3 years maybe and you lose one of their developing years

I have no clue what’s up but just taking a step back and looking at how players like Kiko, Wes, Jaden, Porter etc just looked so much worse than last year (to varying degrees) it just tells me the whole thing was broken and trying to find specific reasons is probably fools gold
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WRT Bain I cope by telling myself he was out of shape coming back from the injury, played too many snaps, and still got a bunch of QB pressures (that didn't result in sacks like last year). Hopefully next DC is good ackshully and Bain flourishes.
 
Gables Canes said:
It's quite alarming to me that we are entering Year 4 of the Mario era and this roster STILL lacks elite playmakers and general overall talent. The recruting at QB, DB, Safety, and arguably LB has been below average to awful. Player development hasn't been good enough at any position except perhaps OL, RB, and TE.

I thought the one thing we weren't going to need to worry about with Mario was talent acquisition. Yet here we are.

Is he overrated as a recruiter? Has NIL/portal neutralized this strength of his? Is it his inability to put together a legitimate staff, particularly on defense?
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He’s a very good recruiter, but NIL has lessened the degree to which individual recruiting prowess matters. It’s still an asset, but not to the degree it once was.
 
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Good post, @umfire2005. The DL was the single biggest disappointment this season.

One quibble- I don’t think it was the fanbase pumping up Bain. He was a top 50 player nationally in pretty much every preseason publication. My personal opinion is that he’s a legitimate talent whose body might be telling him to switch positions. He looks heavier than last year and he’s not a lazy guy.

To me, the only way we are going to land truly elite players (which I read as first rounders) is by building the brand back up. Ohio State signed Jeremiah Smith because they could point to perennial success. For us, building up the brand means consistent double-digit win seasons and NFL draft performance.

Clemson is the realistic model of a team who built up their brand. They were mediocre for decades. Then they started winning more and producing more pros. But they also developed a reputation for blowing games and dumb football. They signed better players and produced more pros until they had many elite players at the same time. Then came the breakthrough.

I expect us to have a relatively good draft year in April. That will help. We could potentially have Top 10 picks back-to-back with Ward and Mauigoa. Those examples will attract others.

It is essential that we don’t fall back to the 7, 8-win death cycle next year. The most important thing is staying relevant.
 
umfire2005 said:
I don’t post much as I am not as plugged into UM as I used to be. I wrote the above before the season and I thought it might be useful to look back.

Biggest disappointment for me is the DL. Should have been very good, was average. Internal issues played a role here, but I was wrong on this. We should have been a top unit and we were not.

Glad Arroyo delivered on all his promise. Lofton is a different style of player, but he looks strong.

Martinez was as advertised. Will miss him.

Safeties were godawful.

I am writing this because there are some wild narratives on this board, and I thought I’d throw my two cents in.

I have written several times about the difference between good and elite. Miami fans have forgotten what great coaching and players look like in my opinion, and a tendency to overrate coaches/players sets this fan base up for disappointment constantly.


We finally saw what elite looks like: Cam Ward was better than advertised and showed that Dawson/Cristobal are not QB killers. The other elite player was Borregales IMO.

Restrepo, Martinez were very good. Several OL played very well and that unit, while not elite, was very good. The offense AS A GROUP was elite. Should have made a playoff run with an elite side of the ball. We did not because we lost to teams we shouldn’t have, which is a Mario constant. He is who he has always been: a mediocre coach who recruits well. He’s Ron Zook, and NIL has eroded his recruiting advantage and so we are left with a mediocre coach with a mediocre overall football operations staff.

What about next year? We have a personnel problem — I see no room that has a chance of being elite, and several that will struggle to be average. Some posters seem to believe otherwise, which is fueling classic Miami fan delusion.

Reuben Bain is a perfect example. He had a very good freshman year, UM fans say he is elite and then he struggles his sophomore year (a Miami specialty) and now he “sucks”. Of course he doesn’t he just got
Immediately overrated by our fan base.

RB room is another example. I’ve read about how stacked we are at running back. Fletcher is an average ACC back, Lyle shows some promise. How is that stacked?

Ohio State has an elite player or an elite group at almost every position group. We will have zero next year.

We do not have the coaching acumen to overcome this. I like Dawson, think he is a good coordinator but not a magician. The offense will take a step back. DC is to be determined but an average defense, while an improvement, seems like the ceiling.

Miami needs more elite players. Whether portal or high school, we simply aren’t getting enough of them. We have had how many elite players in the past decade? 5, maybe? OSU has 3 this year. Player development at UM has been a problem for 20 years, across multiple coaches, and it continues today. But UM will not be back under Mario unless there are wholesale changes to the way UM approaches football. Cribby and others know what I mean.

Sorry for long post.
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It's easy to be doom and gloom after the way the season unfolded. Disagree on your notion of how helpless our roster is. I think OL is elite. It's one of the top 5-7 units in the country imo.

Bain is an elite DL.

RB room is very good and among the top 10-15 units in the country imo.

TE and WR - we lost a ton of production.

LB and DB is a huge issue right now and we all know the issue with QB.

The overarching issue with our roster right now is depth. Given NIL and transfer portal, it's getting tougher and tougher to build elite depth at each position. That's going to be the most difficult piece to manage.
 
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