Some names to watch before it’s deleted

[CanesNation26]

Not sold on weather or living in Miami vs Toledo being much of a factor here.

Guy has to be doing this only as a stepping stone to a P5 head coaching job that will likely be in a town a lot like Toledo.

Don’t even think the mill more is much of a motivation. The most expensive home currently on Realtor.com in Toledo costs $850k. See what that gets you in the Gables or S. Miami.

Dude’s here gambling on a hit it and quit it.

Agree with this. Don't think money or location will play much of a role in his decision.

 

[CreativeCane]

There are also many great coordinators who just didn't make good head coaches. There doesn't really seem to be a correlation there.

I think a lot of teams—both college and NFL—miss this point. Being a HC is so much more than being an Xs and Os guy. You can be a great schemer but not have a clue how to run an organization, recruit, be a leader, etc. That's why I think Mario could be the guy here. He is a leader of men. A CEO type. Be THAT guy and hire good coordinators and you can be really successful.

You see it with a lot of NFL teams every year. As a Vikings fan, it became so obvious the last 2-3 years that Zimmer was not a leader. He was a stubborn, arrogant defensive wiz (until the last two years) who was so focused on his defense and his own legacy that he completely broke down and forgot how to be a leader. Wouldn't talk to his own QB, ripped players and coaches in the media and in front of the team, and apparently didn't even talk to his GM for the last few months. I don't care how good a coordinator you are, that is not going to work as a HC.

 

[CANEMC]

Alright let's get organized folks. Who is tracking private jet flights out of Toledo to Miami?

Paging @Pentagon Cane

 

[Kansas Cane]

They went home and stayed local. No different than Tyrique, Ladson, Parrish, Lichtenstein, etc coming back to Miami.

That’s really been the story of the portal. Doesn’t really matter who the DC is. They wanted to play closer to home.

Agree. And this OVERALL should be very good for us.

 

[BS85]

I'm not going to respond anymore to all the irrational comments.

It's clear thst people are incapable of of thought and dialog without it being all about Miami. It isn't. Apply what I said to any other school.

If Candle was quiting his job to the OC at FSU, you'd say he's a fool.

He's going to be a P5 head coach if he wins in his league. The MAC is the farm for P5 coaches.

So, it would only make sense to leave if you don't believe you can win or you have issues with the administration.

 

[JayCane20]

@JayCane20 could you explain this to him?

Are we trying to compare SMU to Toledo as a HC job, or what?

Lashlee was going to make more at SMU than Manny would have if he stayed at Miami.

A job that pays $3.5-$4M (private school so it’s not known exactly what he makes) vs a job that can barely pay $1M to their HC

If it’s a raise.. it’s a promotion as far as I’m concerned

 

[CreativeCane]

Agree. And this OVERALL should be very good for us.

It'd be nice to get to a point where we cherry pick top guys like Alabama rather than relying on half a dozen transfers each year.

 

[Kansas Cane]

I’ve never heard anywhere near the same amount of candidates for DC as OC. I also believe DC was sealed up or close to the last week. Unless there’s some mystery candidate I‘ll just stick with what I‘ve posted.

Sealed up as in we've come to an agreement with the candidate? Sorry to keep digging, asking. You know the drill, though. I, like many others here, lack reading comprehension and are suffering from PTSD.

 

[joseermonfils]

not to be that guy but when will we finalize Candle and Belk

 

[Mr. Dynasty1]

not to be that guy but when will we finalize Candle and Belk

January 33rd

 

[CreativeCane]

Sealed up as in we've come to an agreement with the candidate? Sorry to keep digging, asking. You know the drill, though. I, like many others here, lack reading comprehension and are suffering from PTSD.

I think we all just want it done so we can go back to being productive at work. Or the more likely scenario, complaining about something meaningless on CIS.

 

[PIPO]

Sorry for the stupid question but who is Belk?

Otherwise, he’d be Elk

 

[stormbrewing]

Are we trying to compare SMU to Toledo as a HC job, or what?

Lashlee was going to make more at SMU than Manny would have if he stayed at Miami.

A job that pays $3.5-$4M (private school so it’s not known exactly what he makes) vs a job that can barely pay $1M to their HC

If it’s a raise.. it’s a promotion as far as I’m concerned

That really is the bottom line.

 

[mossmadness]

He helped make it the best team in the MAC as the OC/QB coach. You need on him when he was solely the OC/QB coach, because that would be his role as UM. He got the HC job at Toledo, because of the job he did at OC.

I agree to some degree.

But one of the reasons why the team as a whole has declined under him as a HC, is because *his* offense has declined.

Toledo was 6-6 in 2021. Their offense finished 76th in the country in F+.

In 2019 they were 5-6 and finished 91st in the country in F+.

It would be one thing if his offenses were great but his teams were undisciplined, or the defenses were horrible, or the OOC schedule was insane. Then it would be easier to take comfort in the fact that he’s Just not a great HC, but we aren’t hiring him as a HC, so who cares?

But Toledo’s downfall under him as HC in many ways is because he now struggling to produce an offense that doesn’t suck.

 

[CreativeCane]

Are we trying to compare SMU to Toledo as a HC job, or what?

Lashlee was going to make more at SMU than Manny would have if he stayed at Miami.

A job that pays $3.5-$4M (private school so it’s not known exactly what he makes) vs a job that can barely pay $1M to their HC

If it’s a raise.. it’s a promotion as far as I’m concerned

Not to mention he had to have known Manny was done and there was a ton of uncertainty to his future here. Would have been interesting to see if Mario kept on Lashlee if he hadn't gotten that SMU job.

 

[Bender]

Are we trying to compare SMU to Toledo as a HC job, or what?

Lashlee was going to make more at SMU than Manny would have if he stayed at Miami.

A job that pays $3.5-$4M (private school so it’s not known exactly what he makes) vs a job that can barely pay $1M to their HC

If it’s a raise.. it’s a promotion as far as I’m concerned

His issue is that he thinks Candle is lined up for a P5 HC job and it makes no sense to go to Miami.

 

[SPAMM]

Looks like he may have been the one to initiate contact with Mario. The mutual agent adds more intrigue.

January 33rd

To add to this, in order to improve the health of CIS posters, we will be observing three days of no alcohol consumption. This wellness event will take place February 29, 30, and 31.

 

[mossmadness]

Let me try and paint a different picture for you. How many Toledo HCs have gone on to become HCs at the P5 level in the last 30 years? I’ll save you the Google search it is 2, Matt Campbell and Gary Pinkle at Missouri. Fun fact had no clue nick saban coached at Toledo for a year back in 1990.

Now how many coordinators at major programs with success have gone on to become HCs in the P5? 10+ every year(including our OC last year).

Multiple coaches under Cristobal have also gone on to become head coaches. You are getting a pay raise and get to move to Miami for a couple year. Once you get past your ego and think of the big picture the decision really isn’t that hard.

To be fair, the MAC has become a hotbed for head coaches. And really good ones too.

If you aren’t becoming a HC out of the MAC, the problem is you.

 

[Salt]

Knowing what we know now, I wouldn’t be surprised if Manny hired Enos ONLY because he was the QB coach at Bama.

I fell for it too at the beginning (I’m not paid millions to make those decisions though) but it was a very wrong hire and it showed. We had no reliable QB and a very bad OL, a true HC would’ve acknowledged that.

What we have here with Mario is the complete opposite imho from a vetting process standpoint (thank god)

To be fair Enos had been a HC and OC at a P5 college. They also had familiarity with each other since both were coordinators in SEC at the same time. Enos did a good job managing the qb room at Bama with Hurts and Tua. Our qb room was a mess. At the time it was a splash hire and it checked all the boxes despite the end result. Can't really blame Manny on this one.

 

[mossmadness]

Really? A dumpster fire? The 1976 Oklahoma State team finished the season ranked #14 and had a running back who finished 4th in the Heisman balloting. The next two years (before JJ was brought in) were sub-par due to the Big 8 investigating JJ's predecessor for rules violations. By the way, that coach sued and was successful in getting an injunction against the Big 8, on the same issues that Jerry Tarkanian later won on in the US Supreme Court.

JJ did a great job of stabilizing the OSU program, but his best years were his first (7-4) and last (8-4). Never ranked, not once in 5 years.

Still, a fantastic coach. But his record at OSU wasn't setting the world on fire.

You seem to be agreeing with me that the previous two years sucked before JJ got there. You just seem to be telling me why they sucked.