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Gi0logy said:
Out of curiosity, why do you think Mario zero'd in on Jason Candle vs someone like Sean Lewis or even Tim Lester? Not saying one is better than the other but they're similar in that their young offensive minded, all in the same conference, and Mario doesn't really have any direct connections to either.

Maybe just felt Candle was the most realistic since he's potentially on the hot seat? Candle has better pedigree as a recruiter?

Curious to hear your thoughts too @Liberty City El @htownkidd
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The connection is the same agent - probably connected the dots of Mario needing an OC and Candle looking for a new opportunity.

But I also think Lewis is starting in his upward trend as a HC and Candle is coming on a plateau. Lewis is 35 and Candle is 42 - he’s got 7-8 years to realistically get into his dream job in his prime (whatever that may be)
 
JHallCanes said:
Would make some sense if Coley does end up on the staff then in some capacity

Or maybe I’m just reaching there it’s hard to judge a recruiting job at a place like Toledo I suppose
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Not sure. Nobody in the MAC is getting consistent stud QB play so I imagine it’s a tough sell. And while I like Coley as a recruiter/QB coach, I’m deathly afraid of him getting a promotion should whomever the offensive coordinator is move on to greener pastures in a year or two.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
So, he needs a couple more years. You all are just looking at this irrationally as Miami fans.

I like him and I think he'd be great for the program. I just don't think it makes sense for his career. Plus, you know he'll be gone in 2 years and your back in the same boat looking for a new OC
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You can’t discount doubling someone’s pay. That is a huge incentive to take what many would consider a lateral move, at best.

But he also couldn’t get a P5 job this cycle, and there were lots of jobs available. So who knows.

Toledo is a fairly decent job. The Glass Bowl is a cool stadium.
 
chipcane said:
What's your/everyone's take on those who claim to know who the coordinator(s) are?
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Most people think that’s crazy cause the name would’ve been leaked already.
But most people fail to see that this has been tight lipped.
Even thought the Mario conversations were happening at a time everyone and even our own fans thought Mario was a **** pipe dream. And they were thinking that for months.

So he was in conversation for the job all that time and never reached out to anyone and picked a bunch of coaches to join him and left coordinators for last.
And it makes more sense to them that he is indecisive or was striking out.
But I see a well thought out plan that was in the works for months.
 
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d--1 said:
how often do you see a good OC stick around more than 2 years at any school? Good programs should expect their OCs and DCs to get new jobs every couple of years and their success makes you a desirable stop for other top OCs and DCs.
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The guy is A CURRENT head coach!!!!

Do you expect an up and coming OC at G5 to take a WR position job at a P5 school. just for more money? NO!!!

I don't see how think a head coach who has a job is going to leave his job for a 2 year demotion just for more money.

A lot of hypocracy going on. People always saying they want experienced coaches. Would it be wise for a head coach to take a demotion as an OC or to continue building his head coaching resume if he wants a P5 job.

It's just like an OC quiting his job to become a position coach. It doesn't make sense. You only take a demotion when you get fired and there aren't other OC opportunities available. Same goes for the head coach.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
The guy is A CURRENT head coach!!!!

Do you expect an up and coming OC at G5 to take a WR position job at a P5 school. just for more money? NO!!!

I don't see how think a head coach who has a job is going to leave his job for a 2 year demotion just for more money.

A lot of hypocracy going on. People always saying they want experienced coaches. Would it be wise for a head coach to take a demotion as an OC or to continue building his head coaching resume if he wants a P5 job.

It's just like an OC quiting his job to become a position coach. It doesn't make sense. You only take a demotion when you get fired and there aren't other OC opportunities available. Same goes for the head coach.
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Frank Wilson just did this at LSU. Left asHC McNees St for position coach at LSU
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
A bunch of irrational fanatics. It doesn't make sense for him. He'd only be here for 2 years at best. Then, we're breaking in a new OC and a new QB.

Think about that.
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Just about every top program goes through that. There’s really no way to get a solid coordinator offensive or defensive and not risk losing them after a successful season.
 
Bender said:
He has been passed over several times as a HC at bigger jobs.

While Rhett Lashlee got a HC job at SMU whilst being the OC for a 7-5 Miami team. Plus, most of Marios coordinators have been signed to HC jobs.

Its perfectly rational to do just that, on absolutely any level.
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NO!!! Out of context. Lashlee was an OC not a HC and had never been a HC. So, thst was a move up, not a move down. Totally different.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
The guy is A CURRENT head coach!!!!

Do you expect an up and coming OC at G5 to take a WR position job at a P5 school. just for more money? NO!!!

I don't see how think a head coach who has a job is going to leave his job for a 2 year demotion just for more money.

A lot of hypocracy going on. People always saying they want experienced coaches. Would it be wise for a head coach to take a demotion as an OC or to continue building his head coaching resume if he wants a P5 job.

It's just like an OC quiting his job to become a position coach. It doesn't make sense. You only take a demotion when you get fired and there aren't other OC opportunities available. Same goes for the head coach.
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Seems like there's no getting through to you; you're entitled to your own opinion, but it's extremely narrow-minded and in-the-moment. You can't pigeon-hole yourself to such limited options if you're on the hot seat at your current job, and no one is taking a look at you as a HC in a P5 conference.

With a new Athletic Director coming in, your current job isn't safe...it's quite the opposite - it makes too much sense to entertain this.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
The guy is A CURRENT head coach!!!!

Do you expect an up and coming OC at G5 to take a WR position job at a P5 school. just for more money? NO!!!

I don't see how think a head coach who has a job is going to leave his job for a 2 year demotion just for more money.

A lot of hypocracy going on. People always saying they want experienced coaches. Would it be wise for a head coach to take a demotion as an OC or to continue building his head coaching resume if he wants a P5 job.

It's just like an OC quiting his job to become a position coach. It doesn't make sense. You only take a demotion when you get fired and there aren't other OC opportunities available. Same goes for the head coach.
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New AD coming to Toledo might have something to do with it
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
The guy is A CURRENT head coach!!!!

Do you expect an up and coming OC at G5 to take a WR position job at a P5 school. just for more money? NO!!!

I don't see how think a head coach who has a job is going to leave his job for a 2 year demotion just for more money.

A lot of hypocracy going on. People always saying they want experienced coaches. Would it be wise for a head coach to take a demotion as an OC or to continue building his head coaching resume if he wants a P5 job.

It's just like an OC quiting his job to become a position coach. It doesn't make sense. You only take a demotion when you get fired and there aren't other OC opportunities available. Same goes for the head coach.
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It’s more than money though, its an opportunity to refresh his brand and remarket himself again. His name has gotten stale at Toledo.

He has an opportunity here to get on the big stage with national attention for the first time in his career and propel himself into a P5 head coaching job which will be much easier to get with his HC experience at a G5 plus success as a P5 coordinator at a school competing in its conference.

You are stuck in a maze and only looking at the end by trying to go in the most straight line while sometimes its best to go back to go forwards. He’s hit a wall and needs a change of scenery. If he gets fired from Toledo next year, then getting a P5 coordinator position would be even more difficult.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
Totally out if context. You don't take a demotion unless you have to. Especially when you're going to make 3-4 times more money a few years later.

Too many moves on the family in a don't period of time.
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Some people have an aversion to being fired. Taking a step back for more money in a nicer location at an easier job avoids the stigma of being fired and provides a renewed opportunity for advancement. Not to mention the opportunity to be associated with a successful head coach.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
The guy is A CURRENT head coach!!!!

Do you expect an up and coming OC at G5 to take a WR position job at a P5 school. just for more money? NO!!!

I don't see how think a head coach who has a job is going to leave his job for a 2 year demotion just for more money.

A lot of hypocracy going on. People always saying they want experienced coaches. Would it be wise for a head coach to take a demotion as an OC or to continue building his head coaching resume if he wants a P5 job.

It's just like an OC quiting his job to become a position coach. It doesn't make sense. You only take a demotion when you get fired and there aren't other OC opportunities available. Same goes for the head coach.
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Kind of like how Blake Baker wouldn’t leave a DC role for a position coach? But he did, because he saw the writing in the wall. Best to sell high and control the narrative if you believe you could be fired.

Yea, dude is a head coach right now, but from all indications, he’s on the hot seat and a new AD always wants to make their own hire.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
The guy is A CURRENT head coach!!!!

Do you expect an up and coming OC at G5 to take a WR position job at a P5 school. just for more money? NO!!!

I don't see how think a head coach who has a job is going to leave his job for a 2 year demotion just for more money.

A lot of hypocracy going on. People always saying they want experienced coaches. Would it be wise for a head coach to take a demotion as an OC or to continue building his head coaching resume if he wants a P5 job.

It's just like an OC quiting his job to become a position coach. It doesn't make sense. You only take a demotion when you get fired and there aren't other OC opportunities available. Same goes for the head coach.
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I'm well aware that the guy is a current HC, I think we all are. Not sure why you keep bringing that up.

So you're saying there's no validity to the report that he's interested, that because he's a HC any report saying he might be interested in an OC job at a bigger program can't possibly be true? If that's not what you're saying then just accept the report that he is considering it, even if you yourself would turn it down in no time flat.

The whole 'he's a head coach somewhere' point is irrelevant if the reports are credible that he's considering it. It's his decision and reports are that he's legitimately considering it.

As for him being gone in 2 years (one of your previous points for why it's not a good fit), that almost sounds like you're saying he'd be too good of an OC, so don't hire him. Like Mario should be targeting guys who aren't good enough that they'd get a HC job somewhere.
 
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